Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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rommelrommel

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Thats basically their doctrine. Overwhelm with numbers and fuck the loss rate. It works when you have 10:1 forces and twice the loss rate. It becomes a losing proposition at 3:1 forces and 5x loss rate.

Their paper doctrine isn’t that way, while they may accept higher loss rates than NATO operations they plan to use their forces responsibly and try to manoeuvre rather than fight endless head on battles into prepared defences.

Their doctrine in reality has become what you say because they just don’t have enough units with the skills required to do anything but fight head on.
 

Jaskalas

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Russian Orthodox Church endorses Genocide.
Pacifism is a heresy
The ruling, said to have been directed personally by Patriarch Kirill, has been made against an anti-war priest who was convicted and fined for advocating peace.

By word and by deed, for the Russian people, peace was never an option.
 
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kage69

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Russians were shooting MCLC charges at the Ukrainians defending Mariupol awhile back. I do hope the Ukrainians are returning the gesture now. The Russian use of mines sounds pretty bad.
 

kage69

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Budanov really is the perfect guy for the job, kind of hard to argue with his job performance at this point. The problems they had with infiltration were enormous. I'd say the Russians trying to kill him nine or ten times counts as firm agreement. Ukraine's embrace and tactful use of social media has always impressed me too. They've got the trolling down to a fine art.

 
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kage69

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Russian Orthodox Church endorses Genocide.
Pacifism is a heresy
The ruling, said to have been directed personally by Patriarch Kirill, has been made against an anti-war priest who was convicted and fined for advocating peace.

By word and by deed, for the Russian people, peace was never an option.

Church turned terrorist state ally, run by a Putin buddy, backs invasion and gets kicked out by Zelenskyy. According to Tucker Carlson, that makes him anti christian.

Sad stuff, that a lot of American evangelicals and Russians are so similar. Killing and genocide for political or social goals is fine with most of them. It's a sickness hard to treat as both they and their leaders have an emotional attachment to being sick. The Russians lust for a return to Soviet era power and prestige the way American christofacists pine for the 50s.

Short of something dramatic changing the world, I fear the only real solutions to it are war and time. The West would prefer time, let certain generations and their hangups fade away, but Russia has insisted on war. Ironically it will be their own demographic collapse they are hastening. Oh well.
 
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K1052

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A bit clearer idea where things stand in this area. Ukraine is however making progress to be sure since as they close the distance to the main defenses more of their ranged weapons can come into play. For example 120mm mortars are good for 7-12km at max range depending on the tube and shell. Russian forces were not occupying those villages for no reason.

 
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KMFJD

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This should be interesting.


Prigozhin had another very angry rant about this saying they will not comply
 

RnR_au

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Russian sources say they are fighting with the AFU over Staromlynivka now so official pronouncements seem to be running a day or two behind.
Yeah fair enough. Seems slight odd to have official Ukrainian announcements from one section of the government while another preaches silence ie;

But I also recognise that wins boosts morale, so I guess there is a tension in the pro's and con's of announcements. The 1-2 day lag might be where that tension falls out.

Meanwhile just over the border in Russia, the Russian volunteers seems to be having fun;
 

K1052

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Yeah fair enough. Seems slight odd to have official Ukrainian announcements from one section of the government while another preaches silence ie;

But I also recognise that wins boosts morale, so I guess there is a tension in the pro's and con's of announcements. The 1-2 day lag might be where that tension falls out.

The government wants to show progress and if the Russians are saying it themsleve then really no point in keeping quiet about it longer.

Also Budanov gonna Budanov. HUR is highly capable as evidenced over time (Kerch Bridge bombing among the hits) and the fact that they have to restrain themselves from ops they can actually accomplish but would too badly annoy Washington. I'm sure they've cooked up some stuff for the nearish future during the offensive that's going to be very inconvenient for Moscow.
 
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Ajay

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Pushing through prepared defences isn’t fun, but once they’re through that’s when things might get interesting.
Well, looks like a shit sandwich. I wouldn't want to be those guys right now.

There are times I wish I joined the US military, if only so I understood what it was like to be a professional soldier. Then again, odds would have been good that I'd have ended up in Desert Storm and/or Iraq/Afghanistan - and might be pushing up daisies by now.

Have a cousin who served in our great 21st century Persian war - he has PTSD and it is no joke. I pray those soldiers do not share the same fate, odds are better as they are defending their own homeland.
 

K1052

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Ukraine will receive 5 more Patriot systems by the end of next year from the manufacturer. They may have secured a few more from allies that could arrive sooner but haven't seen anything on that.

I think they are supposed to receive 6 more NASAMS and (at least) 6 more IRIS-T SLM complexes. The reach of both will considerably increase when the AMRAAM-ER and IRIS-T SLX missiles become available.

 

K1052

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It sucks for sure but Ukraine is doing something nobody has tried since at least WW2. There are going to be successes and failures along the way.
 
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