Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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America is behind in developing hypersonic missiles
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You mean the Russian ballistic missiles that their MOD renamed as hypersonic?
Vlad the Butcher started jailing and killing the scientists behind that project as soon as our patriots started shooting them out of the air. Because, surprise, Russians lied.

I am more curious as to why you did not know that already. Here you are, parroting a Kremlin talking point that everyone knew was a false, months ago.
You should ask your handlers for better material.
 

Tsinni Dave

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Where is the data that suggests Russia's economy is growing? I see the Ruble lost alot of its value, oil and gas production cut by over 850,000 barrels per day, the price of the oil it does sell is lower than it was and their auto industry has been taken over by the Chinese. There has been over a year of deficits and Russia recently stole half of the welfare and retirement plans and a shitload of gold to paper over the losses. Much of any growth is in its own arms industry which means it is basically the government subsidizing that over consumer goods and cannibalizing much of the skilled labour. The majority of Russian mortgages are underwater and their actual inflation rate is into the double digits.
Other than that, I suppose it's going swimmingly.
 

bononos

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Where is the data that suggests Russia's economy is growing? I see the Ruble lost alot of its value, oil and gas production cut by over 850,000 barrels per day, the price of the oil it does sell is lower than it was and their auto industry has been taken over by the Chinese. There has been over a year of deficits and Russia recently stole half of the welfare and retirement plans and a shitload of gold to paper over the losses. Much of any growth is in its own arms industry which means it is basically the government subsidizing that over consumer goods and cannibalizing much of the skilled labour. The majority of Russian mortgages are underwater and their actual inflation rate is into the double digits.
Other than that, I suppose it's going swimmingly.
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Do you have any links to the welfare and retirement plans being affected as you said in your post? Putin tried pension reforms back in 2018 but had to roll them back after protests.
 

Tsinni Dave

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I'll have to look up more about the pension thing, but there was a large sale of gold from the "National Wealth Fund" so maybe I misheard it.
The other info comes from https://minfin.gov.ru/en/document/
Official Russian Ministry of Finance figures fwiw.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Sanctions have failed, Russia is growing its economy and their weapons manufacturing ability is much bigger than America's. America has to beg the world to give ammo to Ukraine.

It's not about winning or not. I feel bad for the poor Ukrainians who got their country destroyed and many killed and hurt.

lmfao!

fuck you're dumb.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Russia's acts of war VS NATO continue.
This time the semi non violent kind. Or at least, indirect violence. Because in many cases this will lead to violence.

Medvedev doesn't hide Russia's plans to interfere in elections in the West

"Our task is to support such politicians and their parties in the West in every possible way, helping them apertum et secretum [openly and secretly] to achieve decent results in the elections," Dmytro Medvedev openly announced the Kremlin's intentions.
According to him, the entry of Russian-backed politicians into state administration "will radically improve the political landscape in the Western world."
 
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you2

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Thought it was a new bill. Never mind.
It is a new bill and he the republicans declared it dead without even seeing it. I.e, they rather have open borders and scream all day along about it than actually address the issue.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Russia's acts of war VS NATO continue.
This time the semi non violent kind. Or at least, indirect violence. Because in many cases this will lead to violence.

Medvedev doesn't hide Russia's plans to interfere in elections in the West

"Our task is to support such politicians and their parties in the West in every possible way, helping them apertum et secretum [openly and secretly] to achieve decent results in the elections," Dmytro Medvedev openly announced the Kremlin's intentions.
According to him, the entry of Russian-backed politicians into state administration "will radically improve the political landscape in the Western world."
Treason treason treason treason.
It’s weird/funny how clowns like @raildogg see Russia’s army getting obliterated by the poorest country in Europe and think to themselves ‘oh yeah, Russia could totally take on the United States’.
Ehm. Yea. In those polls that mean nothing yet - Trump is continually improving his lead over Biden.
Yes I know, independents and whatnot and I agree its unlikely he will win. Very unlikely. Yet who knows what kind of aid Russia is sending his way this treason season?

Dont you find it at least 1000 times more likely that Russia has luck with getting Trump in office again vs actual triumph on the battlefield?

Oh wait.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Where is the data that suggests Russia's economy is growing? I see the Ruble lost alot of its value, oil and gas production cut by over 850,000 barrels per day, the price of the oil it does sell is lower than it was and their auto industry has been taken over by the Chinese. There has been over a year of deficits and Russia recently stole half of the welfare and retirement plans and a shitload of gold to paper over the losses. Much of any growth is in its own arms industry which means it is basically the government subsidizing that over consumer goods and cannibalizing much of the skilled labour. The majority of Russian mortgages are underwater and their actual inflation rate is into the double digits.
Other than that, I suppose it's going swimmingly.
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Russian GDP grew 3% in 2023 but that's because of the war's effects on the economy. There are a lot of problems under the surface with revenue, government fiscal condition, labor shortages, inflation, and high interest rates however.
 

Zor Prime

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Well, let's see how this pans out. Russia is about to roll on Kupyansk with 500+ tanks, 600 'fighting vehicles,' 100s of howitzers and 40k+ troops ... supposedly to make March a pleasant thing for Putin, allegedly.

The only thing for certain is a whole lot of more people about to end up dead or maimed.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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It is funny to see them show up every few months, buckets in hand, still trying to rewrite the parts of history they don't flat out ignore. Still unwilling to acknowledge Ukrainian sovreignty, still addicted to the GQP tripe where NATO is the instigator of, well, everything. Putin the warcriminal, who even treats his own like worms, always gets a pass. It might be old but it's still funny.

But since that muppet brought it up, in my experience, an easy way to tell if the economic prospects of a mafia group are good is to look for signs of people being cut from the take. Also life. The misery of the public also tends to indicate important details I think, and rightfully so, Russians indeed have a firm grasp on misery (and vodka).

Ruble is still a joke, much like their military. Quickly built tanks that lack the equivalents of Western optics/thermals/fire control/barrels, all manned with poorly trained conscripts who don't want to be there is not the asset some think it is. I mean think about it, that kind of recipe could lead to situations like, idk, a modern Russian tank getting taken out by IFVs run by gamers and a $4k drone.

"It's not about winning or not"
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Well, let's see how this pans out. Russia is about to roll on Kupyansk with 500+ tanks, 600 'fighting vehicles,' 100s of howitzers and 40k+ troops ... supposedly to make March a pleasant thing for Putin, allegedly.

The only thing for certain is a whole lot of more people about to end up dead or maimed.

All the possible approaches to Kupyansk are almost certainly mined as fuck and FPV operators are going to have a turkey shoot.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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Russian GDP grew 3% in 2023 but that's because of the war's effects on the economy. There are a lot of problems under the surface with revenue, government fiscal condition, labor shortages, inflation, and high interest rates however.
I mean, Ukraine's GDP went up 4.5% in the same time, and they're in a defensive war.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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I mean, Ukraine's GDP went up 4.5% in the same time, and they're in a defensive war.

Yes, wartime economies grow because of government spending even if there are other quite serious problems with the economy overall.
 
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Pipeline 1010

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America is behind in developing hypersonic missiles compared to Russia

Do you understand how ironic this statement is? Imagine claiming that a nation's hypersonic missile development is advanced. Now imagine that nation just imprisoned and/or murdered the people who developed that missile, due to the fact that the missiles don't work. I can understand firing the developer or not renewing the contract to build these missiles when contract renewal time rolls around. But this nation was so fucking pissed off at the developers that they actually executed them. Made them dead. Made their children become fatherless. Made their wives into widows. They didn't even give these engineers a 2nd chance or allow them to iterate on and improve the design. It was such shit that they just decided they were better off killing these guys. Then imagine that you know all of this. And imagine that you still say their hypersonic missile development is advanced.

You don't have to imagine all this. It is all true. This is who you are.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Yeah the American equivalent to the Kinzhal would be strapping M57 ATACMS to planes lmao.

So revolutionary.
 
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