Russia protests skating result

[Random Variable]

<< SALT LAKE CITY, Feb. 22 ? Russian officials filed a formal protest of the women?s Olympic figure skating final, saying silver medalist Irina Slutskaya should get her own gold medal because of biased judging. >>


http://msnbc.com/news/713698.asp

 

[aphex]

I think Lipinski was right a few nights ago when she said dual-gold medals would be the downfall of the sport.

And thats complete BS by the way, Hughes had a flawless program and 'slut' almost went nose first into the wall. Crybabies...

 

[Optimus]

Geez!!!

I'm a proud Canadian, but now I feel that Sale and Pelltier should NOT have been given Gold. At least in thier case there was a confession of conspiricy from the French judge, but still - there should have been an investigation by a 3rd party AFTER the Olympics, and disciplinary action against corruption.

But no 2nd Gold medal!

Now the Russian OC and the Korean OC are whining like crybabies about EVERYTHING.

 

[911paramedic]

Since they can't RIG THE THING they have to get it another way...

 

[Fangorn]

lol

Yeah, you'd think after being suspected of rigging the judging they'd be more hesitant to keep their traps shut...

 

[AzAbyss]

Whatever happened to sportsmanship. Aren't the Olympics about bring ing the world together? I wish people would just accept things and move on, you don't see the US filing any complaints with the IOC about Ohno's first race where the Aussie won. Learn to deal with defeat and get over it!! I kinda wish the Russians would pull out of the games now since they aren't going to like the outcome of anything unless they win.

-Az

 

[bcterps]

Hey, the Russians have every right to request a second gold medal! The IOC and the ISU opened this bag of worms when they incorrectly awarded a set of gold medals to the Canadiens, why not the Russians? For those of you that have actually read how close the scoring was, the Russians actually have a point. Oh, and all you people that supported the Canadiens and are now bashing the Russians can just shut the hell up now. Your credibility and arguments are ruined.

--Ben

 

[aphex]

I think we should just give everyone who completes gold medals. Thats what they all think should happen anyway....



<< can just shut the hell up now >>



take a chill pill bro....

 

[Dually]

I am an American whom is outragged that the American Media pressured the IOC to give the Canadians a gold medal.

 

[ShallowHal]

<< Hey, the Russians have every right to request a second gold medal! The IOC and the ISU opened this bag of worms when they incorrectly awarded a set of gold medals to the Canadiens, why not the Russians? For those of you that have actually read how close the scoring was, the Russians actually have a point. Oh, and all you people that supported the Canadiens and are now bashing the Russians can just shut the hell up now. Your credibility and arguments are ruined.

--Ben >>



The Canadians had a non-canadian witness that the Frog judge( who denied, then admitted and has since retracted her statement) conspired to let the Russians win. What do the Russians have as proof that there was biased judging? The result? Not good enough. That is why the Russians claim of bias is unwarranted.

 

[BigJohnKC]

<< I am an American whom is outragged that the American Media pressured the IOC to give the Canadians a gold medal. >>


Dually noted


Was there this much bitching in previous years? I don't seem to remember people complaining about unfair judging in previous Olympics.

On a side note, I like what Bill Maher siad on the Tonight Show last night - "anything that is judged is not a sport" [paraphrased, oof course]

 

[CocaCola5]

By giving the two gold medals the IOC made a big mistake.

 

[docmanhattan]

<< By giving the two gold medals the IOC made a big mistake. >>



The other two alternative were:

1) let the obviously tainted judging stand
2) reverse it completely and a give the Canadians the gold and the Russians the silver.

I think what they did was good. It addressed the mis-judging and didn't dismiss the Russian pairs efforts. As for the Russian protest, I think that's a bit unfounded. I watched the 4 performances last night and Hughes did have the long program over everyone. Besides which, it's not like Russian girl skated flawless. She DID almost take it on the nose about 3/4 of the way through her performance.

 

[Arschloch]

You know what? I'm glad that the Russians are protesting last night's result.

You know why? Because figure skating is a farce as a "sport," in my opinion. I'm offended by any sport that has to rely on outside judging to determine who's best. At least the technical score has some merit -- if a person falls, they lose 0.4, etc. But the presentation score is absolutely garbage. I think judges use the presentation score to boost up skaters with good reputations (Michelle Kwan getting 5.8 and 5.9 last night? Give me a break), and to bring down those whose reputation isn't as known.

So, I'm glad the Russians protested because now everybody's realizing what a farce the scoring is. I have no problem with watching people skate. But letting other people "judge" this is just asking for trouble. Keep figure skating in the exhibitions.

"Canadian pairs skaters were awarded their gold medals. Now that subjective judging harmed us, we want the same for Slutskaya." - A Russian official.

Good. Down with figure skating scoring.

 

[prontospyder]

Hughes skated the best last night.....the Russians should just stop their whining.

 

[ShallowHal]

<< Hughes skated the best last night.....the Russians should just stop their whining. >>

 

[roboninja]

<< Hey, the Russians have every right to request a second gold medal! The IOC and the ISU opened this bag of worms when they incorrectly awarded a set of gold medals to the Canadiens, why not the Russians? For those of you that have actually read how close the scoring was, the Russians actually have a point. Oh, and all you people that supported the Canadiens and are now bashing the Russians can just shut the hell up now. Your credibility and arguments are ruined.

--Ben >>



The Sale/Pelletier thing was not simply a case of "we should have won". There was actually admission of tampering in the judging process, which definitely should be considered. The Russian complaint is based on no facts, and ther supposed unfair judging (if it even happened, which I do not believe it did) would have only come about because of their own actions; coercing judges in the first place, and the negative reaction that could have followed. BTW, the reason that 2 golds were awarded in the pairs event was not simply "well, they were screwed, so let's just give them a gold too". After dismissing the French jude's vote (for obvious reasons of tampering), the scores were tied between the Canadians and the Russians. Usually this is avoided the the event by the fact that there are 9 judges, but by tossing one result out, it opened up the possibility of a tie. Whenever there is a true tie in the Olympics, both competitors get a gold medal. It is rare because of the circumstances required to achieve a tie, but it has happened before.

 

[Bluga]

if canadians can whine than why not russians?

 

[Lucky]

<< if canadians can whine than why not russians? >>

 

[Harvey]

If it isn't obvious by now, the entire Olymics has become tainted by greed and cheating for any number of motives. It's not that some (probably most) of the athletes aren't honestly there for the sporting competition, but from Juan Antonio Samaranch, to the Salt Lake committee, this year to other committees in previous years, down to the judges and the doping scandals, the entire system has become a corrupt farce.

Right now, its almost entirly about anything but true sporting competition. The entire Olymics should either be dropped for a few years, or gutted and reconstructed from the ground up.

 

[PlatinumGold]

correct me if i'm wrong here, but i seem to recall that it was a third party that filed the complaint in the canadian pair vs russian pair fiasco.

in the case of both the KOREANS and the RUSSIANS, it is their respective OC's that are filing the complaint. that doesn't hold nearly as much water with me.

 

[SuperTool]

<< The Sale/Pelletier thing was not simply a case of "we should have won". There was actually admission of tampering in the judging process, which definitely should be considered. >>


The judge has since said there was no tampering or bias. Have you actually seen her so called confession? If she was guilty of this, why wasn't she suspended forever, why just 1 year? I think she was told, confess to this and you will only get 1 year suspension otherwise lifetime suspension.
There was no transparency, the results not made public. IOC pressured the judge and she told them what they wanted to hear. They sold out their sport and opened a pandora's box with these gold medals, and now they have to deal with it.
I am not saying Hughes shouldn't have won, but as Canadians made clear, whining works, so you can't blame them for trying.

 

[Rarr]

Slutskaya didn't have a flawless performance, Hughes did. Hughes defeated her and won the gold because last night she did a better job. That is the bottom line.

The Russians are pissed because we disqualified one of their skiers yesterday for high levels of hemogloban (common of doping). If they cannot deal with the consequences of fair play and the rules against doping in the Olympics, then tough!

I think that it is very sad that the Russians are acting like four-year olds. There was proof that the Canadians deserved the gold. Russia is making itself look worse by these foolish demands.

Slutskaya knew she deserved the Silver, and she seemed very pleased with it. Kwan deserved the Bronze. And Hughes EARNED THE GOLD MEDAL. If the judging was biased, Michelle Kwan would have most likely come out the winner, not Hughes.

Let Russia leave. Judging in the Olympics may become more objective, like it was last night in the Women's Figure Skating Final. I do feel sorry for the athletes that will be labeled poorly as a result of this, too many politics changes things from fun competition to petty fights.

Russia should suck it up and deal with reality.

 

[CocaCola5]

<< Slutskaya didn't have a flawless performance, Hughes did. >>





To be accurate, a flawless performance is not requisit for a first place. A non-clean performance that is complex is better than a clean but simple performance. Perhaps this is the Russian point of view.

 

[prontospyder]

<<To be accurate, a flawless performance is not requisit for a first place. A non-clean performance that is complex is better than a clean but simple performance. Perhaps this is the Russian point of view. >>

Hughes' performance was clean and complex. Slutskya's program was gonna be hard but she didn't execute (ex: some triple jumps became doubles)