Russia threatens U.S. over possible sanctions

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AViking

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How can you guys say that? You can say "no" can't you?

They aren't asking heads I win, tails you lose.
 

fskimospy

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How can you guys say that? You can say "no" can't you?

They aren't asking heads I win, tails you lose.

Usually when making a referendum the choices are between maintaining the status quo and one or more other options. They have conveniently left the status quo off.

As time goes by and the Ukranians don't respond to Russian provocations the intent here is becoming more and more clear.
 

lozina

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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/uk...endum-lays-out-options-ukraines-crimea-n46601

There it is you propaganda slurping shills. "Join Russia or Remain in Ukraine w/ more autonomy".

Sadly I know none of the folks who immediately buy into the west's mass media propaganda will feel ashamed. They will probably just ignore this and continue to spout lies that the choices are "yes and yes", waiting for the next release of unsubstantiated accusations against Russia to slurp up again at face value. No credibility. Pathetic.

I guarantee none of them will man up honorably and admit they were too hasty in accepting the stories that accused the ballot of being rigged with a yes and yes vote. Instead if they reply to this they will deflect the issue to something else.
 
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/uk...endum-lays-out-options-ukraines-crimea-n46601

There it is you propaganda slurping shills. "Join Russia or Remain in Ukraine w/ more autonomy".

Sadly I know none of the folks who immediately buy into the west's mass media propaganda will feel ashamed. They will probably just ignore this and continue to spout lies that the choices are "yes and yes", waiting for the next release of unsubstantiated accusations against Russia to slurp up again at face value. No credibility. Pathetic.

I guarantee none of them will man up honorably and admit they were too hasty in accepting the stories that accused the ballot of being rigged with a yes and yes vote. Instead if they reply to this they will deflect the issue to something else.


Funny how it's the EXACT same characters that were spoon fed the BS about trayvon/zimmerman. Not to derail, but it's blatantly obvious that these people have no capacity for critical thinking, and only regurgitate what our Dear Leader and his America Channel One tells them to think.
 

cubby1223

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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/uk...endum-lays-out-options-ukraines-crimea-n46601

There it is you propaganda slurping shills. "Join Russia or Remain in Ukraine w/ more autonomy".

Sadly I know none of the folks who immediately buy into the west's mass media propaganda will feel ashamed. They will probably just ignore this and continue to spout lies that the choices are "yes and yes", waiting for the next release of unsubstantiated accusations against Russia to slurp up again at face value. No credibility. Pathetic.

I guarantee none of them will man up honorably and admit they were too hasty in accepting the stories that accused the ballot of being rigged with a yes and yes vote. Instead if they reply to this they will deflect the issue to something else.

You sure have a bug up your ass this morning.

The fact that there is no option to retain the status quo is significant. Russia has been planning to annex Crimea for many years, they're not going to stop after this vote. So the question is, does the second option, along with a puppet government in place (don't deny it), make it easier to annex in the future?


And of course this is all assuming the vote will be held with full integrity, there is every reason to believe it will not.
 
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fskimospy

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Funny how it's the EXACT same characters that were spoon fed the BS about trayvon/zimmerman. Not to derail, but it's blatantly obvious that these people have no capacity for critical thinking, and only regurgitate what our Dear Leader and his America Channel One tells them to think.

LOL. Another priceless quote from the guy uncritically accepting propaganda from Russian state media.

You truly have no sense of irony. If your Dear Leader says it, it must be true.
 

Genx87

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You sure have a bug up your ass this morning.

The fact that there is no option to retain the status quo is significant. Russia has been planning to annex Crimea for many years, they're not going to stop after this vote. So the question is, does the second option, along with a puppet government in place (don't deny it), make it easier to annex in the future?


And of course this is all assuming the vote will be held with full integrity, there is every reason to believe it will not.

Of course it will be full of integrity. Russian troops will make sure of it and Putin has given his word!
 

fskimospy

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Of course it will be full of integrity. Russian troops will make sure of it and Putin has given his word!

Let's be clear here:

- Russia Today told me that there aren't any Russian troops in Crimea.

- If the troops in Crimea tell you that they are Russian and are using Russian equipment then they just found stuff that was lying around.

- If the troops turn out to be Russian and using Russian equipment they were invited there by the new 'ruler' of Crimea.

- If it turns out that ruler's party only got 4% of the vote and is totally illegitimate then they were allowed to be there by the Russo-Ukranian Friendship Agreement.

- If it turns out that they weren't allowed to act like this under the friendship agreement then shut up you western bootlicker why do you support Nazis whatever Putin says is the truth and Russia Today never lies.
 

lozina

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Russia has been planning to annex Crimea for many years, they're not going to stop after this vote.

Wow, the great prophet has arrived.

We are so very grateful for your clairvoyance into the minds of the powers in Russia.

Would you mind also giving me some good stock picks, whatever you see jumping 50% or better in the next few months.

Oh also I think they need your help finding the missing Boeing 777 in South East Asia.
 

feralkid

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Let's be clear here:

- Russia Today told me that there aren't any Russian troops in Crimea.

- If the troops in Crimea tell you that they are Russian and are using Russian equipment then they just found stuff that was lying around.

- If the troops turn out to be Russian and using Russian equipment they were invited there by the new 'ruler' of Crimea.

- If it turns out that ruler's party only got 4% of the vote and is totally illegitimate then they were allowed to be there by the Russo-Ukranian Friendship Agreement.

- If it turns out that they weren't allowed to act like this under the friendship agreement then shut up you western bootlicker why do you support Nazis whatever Putin says is the truth and Russia Today never lies.

 

cubby1223

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Wow, the great prophet has arrived.

We are so very grateful for your clairvoyance into the minds of the powers in Russia.

Would you mind also giving me some good stock picks, whatever you see jumping 50% or better in the next few months.

Oh also I think they need your help finding the missing Boeing 777 in South East Asia.

Back in 2008:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...sia-distributing-passports-in-the-Crimea.html

You can live in fantasy-land all you want, I cannot force you to live in reality. So, this is the end of our conversation.
 

cubby1223

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You back up your speculation with.... allegations and speculation! Brilliant!

You still haven't provided your explanation for why there is no option in the vote to gain greater ties with Ukraine or even maintain the status quo.

You want certainty, go study algebra. You want to learn history and current events, you must deal in probabilities.

I don't believe you're persuading anyone, which is why I don't have to respond any more
 

lozina

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You still haven't provided your explanation for why there is no option in the vote to gain greater ties with Ukraine or even maintain the status quo.

Why do I need to explain that? I am not involved with that shit and I dont claim to know what is going on or who is "planninng" to do what. My goal was to hopefully snap some people out of the mass media hypnotism they are under. Just believe whatever the good old trusty US government and their supporting mass media outlets tell them. It's like a broken record, just keeps happening in our society over and over, do these people ever learn?

The astonishing thing is, these same people will recognize the propaganda coming out of Russia and their news outlets (mainly RT), criticizing the people who blindly follow them. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Wake up people. These are two very powerful government forces in a political quarrel. You're going to see massive quantities of BS being spewed forth by both sides. When you start blindly following one side you are pretty pathetic. When you start blindly following one side, and then criticize your counterparts/alter egos on the Russian side for blindly following their side, then you are just plain sad.
 

BUnit1701

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Why do I need to explain that? I am not involved with that shit and I dont claim to know what is going on or who is "planninng" to do what. My goal was to hopefully snap some people out of the mass media hypnotism they are under. Just believe whatever the good old trusty US government and their supporting mass media outlets tell them. It's like a broken record, just keeps happening in our society over and over, do these people ever learn?

The astonishing thing is, these same people will recognize the propaganda coming out of Russia and their news outlets (mainly RT), criticizing the people who blindly follow them. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Wake up people. These are two very powerful government forces in a political quarrel. You're going to see massive quantities of BS being spewed forth by both sides. When you start blindly following one side you are pretty pathetic. When you start blindly following one side, and then criticize your counterparts/alter egos on the Russian side for blindly following their side, then you are just plain sad.

Thought bad! Parroting good!
 

phillyTIM

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Just as the World blasts Russia for it's "attempt" to illegally annex Crimea (although the distinct possibility does exist that these mainly-Russians actually do WANT to rejoin Russia due to the faultering Ukraine economy), why doesn't the World blast the occupying coup in Kiev that illegally overtook the Ukraine government?

Both are illegal in the 1994 Ukraine accord, and neither one is any more just than the other.

In fact, the US & UN both are pathetically wrong to sit with these coup turkeys and justify their existence.
 
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cubby1223

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Why do I need to explain that? I am not involved with that shit and I dont claim to know what is going on or who is "planninng" to do what. My goal was to hopefully snap some people out of the mass media hypnotism they are under. Just believe whatever the good old trusty US government and their supporting mass media outlets tell them. It's like a broken record, just keeps happening in our society over and over, do these people ever learn?

The astonishing thing is, these same people will recognize the propaganda coming out of Russia and their news outlets (mainly RT), criticizing the people who blindly follow them. It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Wake up people. These are two very powerful government forces in a political quarrel. You're going to see massive quantities of BS being spewed forth by both sides. When you start blindly following one side you are pretty pathetic. When you start blindly following one side, and then criticize your counterparts/alter egos on the Russian side for blindly following their side, then you are just plain sad.

There is a naval base in Sevastopol that is very important to the Russian military, and very important that Russia maintain full control over. They have the need, they have the motivation, they have the will, they have the power, and they have the history. This is not propaganda, it is a fact.

Or do you maintain that the existence of such naval base is a figment of U.S. propaganda?



History repeats itself more often than you'd think, and you must make educated guesses as to what the future holds, so as to gain the most from it. What do you think Russian troops are doing in Crimea these past couple weeks? An invitation for afternoon tea?

Your attitude of "let's hope for the best and watch everything play out" is blatantly stupid, and quite frankly dangerous when it comes to matters closer to home.

Humans are predictable to a significant degree.
 
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Genx87

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Just as the World blasts Russia for it's "attempt" to illegally annex Crimea (although the distinct possibility does exist that these mainly-Russians actually do WANT to rejoin Russia due to the faultering Ukraine economy), why doesn't the World blast the occupying coup in Kyiv that illegally overtook the Ukraine government?

Both are illegal in the 1994 accord, and neither one is any more just than the other.

In fact, the US & UN both are wrong to sit with these coup turkeys and justify their existence.

It wasn't a coup.
 

phillyTIM

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Calling it a "revolution" is a feeble attempt to put lipstick on a pig.

At the end of the day, it's a coup, or more distinctly a coup d'etat, what happened in the Ukraine.

Look up the definition; if you can't understand that then you shouldn't have been given a high school diploma.

From dictionary.com: "a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force".

And isn't that exactly what happened?
 
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Genx87

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Calling it a "revolution" is a feeble attempt to put lipstick on a pig.

At the end of the day, it's a coup what happened in the Ukraine.

Look up the definition; if you can't understand that then you shouldn't have been given a high school diploma.

This is great. If this were a coup why is the vast majority of the Ukrainian govt still in power?
 

phillyTIM

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This is great. If this were a coup why is the vast majority of the Ukrainian govt still in power?

Many coups begin internally. Don't make it anything less than a coup.

There is an attempt to overthrow the President and install an acting/imposter.... that is a coup.

President Yanokovych did the right thing to temporarily flee to a safe haven in the midst of this.
 
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fskimospy

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Many coups being internally. Don't make it anything less than a coup.

The President has been overthrown.... that is a coup.

False. A coup is generally the overthrow of the ruling power of a government by another part of the government or a state institution. In this case the impetus for the president's overthrow was street level action, which is more akin to a revolution.
 

phillyTIM

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False. A coup is generally the overthrow of the ruling power of a government by another part of the government or a state institution. In this case the impetus for the president's overthrow was street level action, which is more akin to a revolution.

Call it what you will, as you obviously intend to, but "generally", in your argument, is the key word that diminishes your own argument.

And the street-level action that you speak of amounts to nothing more than your basic, unlawful "riot" or "lynch mob".

The fact & definition of coup in the Ukraine remain clear, regardless of your lipstick-on-a-pig painting.
 
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