Russian Ambassador to Turkey Fatally Shot

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raildogg

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Aug 24, 2004
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Glad you could take a break from stoning rape victims to bless us with your comments. Allah ackbar!

Muslims the new evil being thrown in front of us while the people with real power are left alone.

But I guess if the Western propaganda machine says so, it must be true.

Run guys, run ... the evil Muslims are out to get ya ....

(Meanwhile, America and the West continue their policy of destabilizing the Middle East while arming Israel).

What a great strategy of winning hearts and minds. But why win hearts and minds when you can destroy them?
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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Jun 19, 2004
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If Russia invades Turkey over this, should America and NATO stand aside? Turkey and the western world have never been further apart in the modern era.
We shouldn't stand aside but, we should abandon any pretense it has anything to do with Turkey and we should wait till Russia removes the ruling party.
 

Paratus

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Jun 4, 2004
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The pictures from this event are astonishingly fantastic.

This is so rock 'n roll. Black suits, pure white background, punctuated by a splash of artful color.

Jesus. It looks like something out of a Tarintino film.

I'm not sure what the effect of this is going to be. If this had been shortly after they shot that Russian fighter down, (after violating? Turkish airspace) it could have been really bad. Now that they've thawed relations it might self limit the fallout between Russia and Turkey.

While the shooters motives appear to be in support of the rebels in Aleppo I can see the Russians stepping up their strikes against the city as retaliation, with Turkey now more likely to stand aside.

I can't even imagine our response, other than to try and calm the situation. This situation has a few disturbing parallels to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand.

It would be better if we had entirely different heads of state involved between Turkey, Syria and Russia but strangely with recent changes in Turkey and our in coming administration it could allow Russia to react less harshly. Or it could blow up in all our faces.
 
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raildogg

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Aug 24, 2004
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It seems like a scene out of a movie ...

Also, the camera man is not worried about his life at all?
 

bshole

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I can't even imagine our response, other than to try and calm the situation. This situation has a few disturbing parallels to the assassination of Franz Ferdinand.

Damn dude, the EXACT same thought ran through my head. A nutbag shooter sparking a world war....

Of course in an era of nuclear weapons how is that even possible?
 

Ns1

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Jun 17, 2001
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It seems like a scene out of a movie ...

Also, the camera man is not worried about his life at all?

multiple camera guys, because my pics are from behind the gunman and other pics are in front of the gunman.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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While the shooters motives appear to be in support of the rebels in Aleppo I can see the Russians stepping up their strikes against the city as retaliation, with Turkey now more likely to stand aside.

This shooter just killed whatever lives remain among those inside or fleeing Aleppo.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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You prop up a butcher and bomb civilians long enough, sooner or later someone is going to want pay back.

Russia has a lot of blood on it's hands, this isn't really surprising. Pity it wasn't Putin.
 

1sikbITCH

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Jan 3, 2001
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You prop up a butcher and bomb civilians long enough, sooner or later someone is going to want pay back.

Russia has a lot of blood on it's hands, this isn't really surprising. Pity it wasn't Putin.

True story. Ronald Reagan trained and supplied Afghani civilians in their defense against the Russians in the 80s, creating the mujahedin which as we all know as ISIS and Al-Qaeda today. We've been bombing the shit out of the Middle East ever since. They paid Russia back and they paid us back.
 

kage69

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Funny that a Russian diplomat, traveling within the borders of a big scary NATO country, didn't have any protection whatsoever. Huh.


I think the Russians are probably listening to all the talk about someone getting invaded over this and having a good chuckle. Let me put it this way: Russian generals sometimes have mortality rates that could be confused with those in journalism. They're going to war over a guy who does gallery fluff events and who didn't even warrant a security detail?
 

kage69

Lifer
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True story. Ronald Reagan trained and supplied Afghani civilians in their defense against the Russians in the 80s, creating the mujahedin which as we all know as ISIS and Al-Qaeda today. We've been bombing the shit out of the Middle East ever since. They paid Russia back and they paid us back.

Muj had already been fighting the Russkies for sometime before Reagan let Charlie and others convince him actually. Our Stingers, mortars and comm sets were relatively late to the show by Afgan standards, but I don't think anyone doubts their impact, especially the Stingers.

I hear what you're saying, just not sure about your ISIS mention. Too many secular ex-Baathists in there for me to call muj, a different sort than the 'nuttier than squirrel shit' religious fundie. Those guys shoot each other for quoting a Koran passage wrong, and then there's the whole suicide bomber thing. I think the distinction is important.
 
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IronWing

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Muj had already been fighting the Russkies for sometime before Reagan let Charlie and others convinced him actually. Our Stingers, mortars and comm sets were relatively late to the show by Afgan standards, but I don't think anyone doubts their impact, especially the Stingers.

I hear what you're saying, just not sure about your ISIS mention. Too many secular ex-Baathists in there for me to call muj, a different sort than the 'nuttier than squirrel shit' religious fundie. Those guys shoot each other for quoting a Koran passage wrong, and then there's the whole suicide bomber thing. I think the distinction is important.
Al Qaeda is a product of the US and Pakistani intelligence. ISIS is a product of Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
 
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Funny that a Russian diplomat, traveling within the borders of a big scary NATO country, didn't have any protection whatsoever. Huh.


I think the Russians are probably listening to all the talk about someone getting invaded over this and having a good chuckle. Let me put it this way: Russian generals sometimes have mortality rates that could be confused with those in journalism. They're going to war over a guy who does gallery fluff events and who didn't even warrant a security detail?
Security is supposed to be supplied by the country the diplomat is assigned to. In this case Turkey not only failed miserably in protecting a diplomat, but were involved in the assassination since the terrorist was a member of their security forces.
 
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Al Qaeda is a product of the US and Pakistani intelligence. ISIS is a product of Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
You're picking up 2 different terds and trying to differentiate between the two. They're both Islamist terrorist groups and that's really all that matters.
 

IronWing

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You're picking up 2 different terds and trying to differentiate between the two. They're both Islamist terrorist groups and that's really all that matters.
It matters because the state sponsors of these groups are still at it. Pakistan still supports Al Qaeda via the Taliban and Saudi Arabia and Qatar still support ISIS. The Sauds still export the Wahhabist nutjobbery that underpins ISIS and Al Qaeda through their madrasa system. As long as the state sponsors are tolerated, these groups will keep popping up under different banners.
 

werepossum

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The off-duty policemen was the killer and from the Video the killer was preaching for 55 secs after he shot 8 times the Ambassador.

There was no other security in the room at the time, only the killer the press and the guests.
Yeah, that does scream set-up. Probably with Russian collusion. Look for the Turks to do another round of internal cleansing.

ROFLMFAO!!!! I fucking knew it. And it will be with American backing right?

This is the very definition of HOPELESSLY broken thinking. Believing in conspiracies on absolutely no fucking evidence within HOURS of the event.

What Oric lacks in evidence for his conclusion he compensates with absolute confidence in his conclusion. He won't move a fraction of an inch from what he posted above. It is set in concrete. It is a done deal. It will be fascinating to see how he fleshes out the fantasy conspiracy.
Agreed, but this is how it will be sold to the Turkish people. Complete with secret police watching for non-believers.

This shooter just killed whatever lives remain among those inside or fleeing Aleppo.
I suspect that Turkey, Russia and Assad were already in agreement that all those people had to die.
 

MrSquished

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Jan 14, 2013
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You're picking up 2 different terds and trying to differentiate between the two. They're both Islamist terrorist groups and that's really all that matters.

No it's not. Thank god you don't work for US Intelligence agencies or the State Department. Each terrorist organization needs to be studied and learned as separate entities so they can be vanquished. To bundle them all up into the simpleton's world of 'oh they are bad guys' is dangerous and frankly very stupid. It's much harder to destroy things when you have zero clue of what the fuck it is you are destroying. Understanding their history, MO, allies, goals, etc.. etc...

And what's frightening is you sound like how probably Trump feels about this situation. You are proof positive that Trump voters should have their voting rights removed so they can do less damage to this country.

http://www.businessinsider.com/difference-between-isis-and-al-qaeda-2015-5

https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/comparing-al-qaeda-and-isis-different-goals-different-targets/
 
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No it's not. Thank god you don't work for US Intelligence agencies or the State Department. Each terrorist organization needs to be studied and learned as separate entities so they can be vanquished. To bundle them all up into the simpleton's world of 'oh they are bad guys' is dangerous and frankly very stupid. It's much harder to destroy things when you have zero clue of what the fuck it is you are destroying. Understanding their history, MO, allies, goals, etc.. etc...

And what's frightening is you sound like how probably Trump feels about this situation. You are proof positive that Trump voters should have their voting rights removed so they can do less damage to this country.

http://www.businessinsider.com/difference-between-isis-and-al-qaeda-2015-5

https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/comparing-al-qaeda-and-isis-different-goals-different-targets/
Kill them all, let God sort out their souls.
 

UberNeuman

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I had Turkey with Russian Dressing for lunch the other day. I should have saw the signs.
 
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