Russian Ambassador to Turkey Fatally Shot

[Humpy]

Kill them all, let God sort out their souls.

Allahu Akbar

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Allahu Akbar

No, that's the side we're at war against. Try to get it right. Thanks for outing yourself though.

 

[desura]

No it's not. Thank god you don't work for US Intelligence agencies or the State Department. Each terrorist organization needs to be studied and learned as separate entities so they can be vanquished. To bundle them all up into the simpleton's world of 'oh they are bad guys' is dangerous and frankly very stupid. It's much harder to destroy things when you have zero clue of what the fuck it is you are destroying. Understanding their history, MO, allies, goals, etc.. etc...

And what's frightening is you sound like how probably Trump feels about this situation. You are proof positive that Trump voters should have their voting rights removed so they can do less damage to this country.

http://www.businessinsider.com/difference-between-isis-and-al-qaeda-2015-5

https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/comparing-al-qaeda-and-isis-different-goals-different-targets/

Sometimes broad generalities are useful in understanding the world. Both of those groups are idealist Islamic terrorist groups which use extreme violence to their own ends. No, they are not the same, and at times have been at odds with each other. But broadly, they do share many of the same Islamic grievances against the West and the same Islamic ideals that they are working towards.

Obama himself has derisively dismissed the thinktanks as part of the DC "blob" and "arab-occupied territory". One little-known story is how the Gulf States have bought off many thinktanks by large donations, and so they self-censor to attract those donations.

 

[WelshBloke]

Kill them all, let God sort out their souls.

But you have no idea who "they" are!

 

[Humpy]

No, that's the side we're at war against.

Allahu Akbar

 

[sandorski]

Pic reminds me of John Travolta in Disco Fever with Staying Alive playing in the background....

 

[desura]

But you have no idea who "they" are!

Yes, we have a flawed understanding of that part of the world because we do not share a culture or language with them. George W. Bush didn't seem to realize this. He thought he could turn Iraq into Germany.

Which means stay the hell out and let them sort it out themselves.

 

[Dari]

When this came across my phone, I thought it was a response to this:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38294204

Bet their happy either way.

 

[soulcougher73]

1st pic in link reminds me of James Bond. That's all i got.

 

[WelshBloke]

When this came across my phone, I thought it was a response to this:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38294204

Bet their happy either way.

Russian hitmen aren't as stylish as this guy.

 

[alien42]

No, that's the side we're at war against. Try to get it right. Thanks for outing yourself though.

did that really go completely over your head?

you were just exposed for being the very same thing your perceived enemy is. you're using religion to justify mass killing just as they do, quite the hypocrite.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

did that really go completely over your head?

you were just exposed for being the very same thing your perceived enemy is. you're using religion to justify mass killing just as they do, quite the hypocrite.

war is hell, we're at war. Get over yourself.

 

[desura]

war is hell, we're at war. Get over yourself.

Yeah, no. We should not be taking the lead in combating the Islamic State. Americans are all horrified by them, as if human rights abuses didn't exist in the Middle East before that. I'm sorry, but I've heard of worse things than death by beheading.

If anything, my opinion is that Syria was a trap by Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States to try and get the US involved and complete their objectives for them.

 

[kage69]

ISIS is a product of Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Have to disagree.

ISIS got money from them, no doubt, but Qatar and Sa'udi Arabia played no role in the internal running of Iraq during the Maliki/Bremer days, much less orchestrating the running of Camp Bucca. That was all us, a la 'occupational authority.' We backed Shia death squads after showing the Sunni we DGAF. Then we decided housing the fundies and the ex-military together in the same center with minimal terp presence was just fine. What could go wrong?

I believe ISIS still would have progressed with their agenda even with the absence of Wahabi funding. Plenty of oil and weapons for the black market in Iraq, and plenty of buyers in Syria and Turkey.

 

[Paratus]

Damn dude, the EXACT same thought ran through my head. A nutbag shooter sparking a world war....

Of course in an era of nuclear weapons how is that even possible?

Looks like this guy doesn't think it will end like 1914 due to the closer Turkey-Russian ties.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...bassador_to_turkey_isn_t_franz_ferdinand.html

 

[kage69]

Yeah, no. We should not be taking the lead in combating the Islamic State. Americans are all horrified by them, as if human rights abuses didn't exist in the Middle East before that. I'm sorry, but I've heard of worse things than death by beheading.

Of all the many reasons it's best for us not to invade another country in the ME, being horrified by det cord executions and such is like... 46th on the list.

Americans have been taking on dire opponents for a long time now, fighting those who commit atrocities and/or employ suicide tactics is hardly new for us (Imperial Japanese forces and Nazis come to mind). They were horrifying and we still beat them. There's a John Stuart Mill quote that works well here I think.

 

[kage69]

Looks like this guy doesn't think it will end like 1914 due to the closer Turkey-Russian ties.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...bassador_to_turkey_isn_t_franz_ferdinand.html

Putin would be an idiot to loosen the hold on Turkey's ass Erdogan has so thoughtfully bent over for. He's not going to relinquish it for the life of a single diplomat, one that was almost immediately avenged mind you.

It's just not in the cards for a guy who has already chalked up the passengers of one (well, two counting Ukraine) airliner as the cost of doing business abroad.

 

[bshole]

Looks like this guy doesn't think it will end like 1914 due to the closer Turkey-Russian ties.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...bassador_to_turkey_isn_t_franz_ferdinand.html

Its funny that so many people made the connection. The slate analysis seems pretty solid and I can't disagree with his conclusion. Of course I was the person that predicted Trump has a 0% chance of being president so I don't think my endorsement means anything.

 

[MrSquished]

Kill them all, let God sort out their souls.

I would like to see a world where al qaeda and ISIS are eradicated, but to do it right, you do it smartly. Not the knee jerk one size fits all approach of ignoramuses such as yourself.

 

[master_shake_]

do you want to start a world war?

because that is how you start a world war.

 

[master_shake_]

if a country dropped barrel bombs and nerve gas on your family what would your reaction be given the opportunity?

move to germany and rape or sexual assault or kill the natives?

 

[MrSquished]

Sometimes broad generalities are useful in understanding the world. Both of those groups are idealist Islamic terrorist groups which use extreme violence to their own ends. No, they are not the same, and at times have been at odds with each other. But broadly, they do share many of the same Islamic grievances against the West and the same Islamic ideals that they are working towards.

Obama himself has derisively dismissed the thinktanks as part of the DC "blob" and "arab-occupied territory". One little-known story is how the Gulf States have bought off many thinktanks by large donations, and so they self-censor to attract those donations.

If you are a politician or general talking to the general American republic I would agree that speaking in generalities will work for you better. It worked for Trump, he was at like a 4th grade level at best. Most people don't have a clue about these sorts of things.

But if you are trying to discuss this in a political arena, whether it's a forum or in a political meeting, you break it down like it is - not some ignorant world where all bad guys are the same just cause. That's the talk level of children, not adults trying to solve or understand complicated problems.

 

[desura]

If you are a politician or general talking to the general American republic I would agree that speaking in generalities will work for you better. It worked for Trump, he was at like a 4th grade level at best. Most people don't have a clue about these sorts of things.

But if you are trying to discuss this in a political arena, whether it's a forum or in a political meeting, you break it down like it is - not some ignorant world where all bad guys are the same just cause. That's the talk level of children, not adults trying to solve or understand complicated problems.

I get the impression that the experts are often so intent on setting themselves apart from the uneducated masses that they will insist on making counter-intuitive claims due to their research. They are motivated more by their dislike of the guy yelling "Islam is a cancer" and their like of the Muslims they know personally who defy the stereotype, that they end up fooling themselves.

Which means that in analyzing the Muslim world, stereotypes exist for a reason, and they shouldn't be immediately dismissed because you meet a few likable Muslim. Sometimes the stereotypes are inaccurate, but oftentimes they are accurate, and the guy yelling "Islam is a cancer" is just not an eloquent educated person who uses the right phrasing.

 

[norseamd]

Hey everyone, we are all going to have white supremacist world peace with Trump and Putin in control!

https://cdn-e1.streamable.com/video...5596_951740ffb73b8fc968695c7f1c813305f8ec6f62

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Yeah, no. We should not be taking the lead in combating the Islamic State. Americans are all horrified by them, as if human rights abuses didn't exist in the Middle East before that. I'm sorry, but I've heard of worse things than death by beheading.

If anything, my opinion is that Syria was a trap by Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States to try and get the US involved and complete their objectives for them.

If they involve the United States, or our interests, we should do everything in our power to wipe them out.