Russian Ambassador to Turkey Fatally Shot

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norseamd

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Al Qaeda is a product of the US and Pakistani intelligence. ISIS is a product of Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Yeah, no, its far more complicated than that. That might apply somewhat to their original origins, but thats not how things are now.
 

norseamd

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Kill them all, let God sort out their souls.

Thats not what hes talking about, although that isnt a bad thought either.

Hes referring to the fact that they are 2 entirely different organizations, and they operate in completely different ways. Furthermore they are going to attract different types of people.

You cant fight both of them with the same type of strategies and tactics.
 

norseamd

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Not as far as I can tell.

Please inform me.

Political state border lines arent the only or even the biggest influence on peoples identity in the Middle East. It should be noted that the Turks have been supporting other factions in Syria that just so happen to be of the same religious faction, and they have even gone so far as to officially invade Syrian territory with the official Turkish military.
 

qliveur

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Political state border lines arent the only or even the biggest influence on peoples identity in the Middle East. It should be noted that the Turks have been supporting other factions in Syria that just so happen to be of the same religious faction, and they have even gone so far as to officially invade Syrian territory with the official Turkish military.
English, please.
 

norseamd

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English, please.

That was English. And it was decently good English at that. Its not my fault if you cant comprehend it.

It means that a Sunni Turk may kill a Russian Ambassador because of Sunni Syrian civilians being slaughtered in Aleppo, specifically because they were Sunni. It doesnt matter if he was Turkish and the slaughtered civilians were Syrian.
 

StrangerGuy

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Meh, its just going to be lots of bickering and noise coming from both sides with little threat of any armed conflict.
 

norseamd

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Meh, its just going to be lots of bickering and noise coming from both sides with little threat of any armed conflict.

No, Turkey and Russia arent going to war over this. They may even get more close, however Im sure Putin will be able to extract even more concessions out of the Turks at the meeting tomorrow than he was already going to before all of this happened.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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It's because Putin is a homicidal maniac who helps other fascist regimes kill civilians. That makes Putin and all those who support him fair game.
 

WelshBloke

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So, it's because reLOLigion?

So, it's completely indefensible, then.
This time probably not.

Russia has been helping Assad bomb the shit out of Aleppo. There were lots of protests against Russia because of this in Turkey. Gunman seems to one of the Turkish people pissed off about this as he was apparently shouting about Syria and Aleppo after shooting the Russian.

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Russian ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov shot dead in Ankara - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38369962
 

agent00f

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Kill them all, let God sort out their souls.

The Alternative Right site that started the movement published an article called Is Black Genocide Right?, which was a rather rhetorical question.

Seems time for their successors to publish another called Is Muslim Genocide Right? They'd certainly get a lot of support with the trumpsters now that Bannon is in charge.

A few times I've asked whether these guys were just waiting in line for the good new jobs registering minorities, and the silence has been deafening.
 

werepossum

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Of all the many reasons it's best for us not to invade another country in the ME, being horrified by det cord executions and such is like... 46th on the list.

Americans have been taking on dire opponents for a long time now, fighting those who commit atrocities and/or employ suicide tactics is hardly new for us (Imperial Japanese forces and Nazis come to mind). They were horrifying and we still beat them. There's a John Stuart Mill quote that works well here I think.
I didn't take his point to be that they were too horrible for us to fight, just that as horrible as they are, this is a part of the world where their activities don't stand out as particularly heinous by comparison. With that, I agree.

I really, really wish that Obama and Clinton had just ignored Syria, but pretty much every President (and apparently would-be President) believes that he or she will get it right this time. The underlying principles - valuing democracy, freedom and self-determination - are sound, even if the rest of us all understood that it's doomed to failure. And at least they did it on the cheap - no thousands of American lives lost. It's worse on the Syrian people - arguably much worse - but in the end the results won't be all that different. Maybe they'll hate us less, but if not, at least we still have thousands more selfless young Americans alive.

That was English. And it was decently good English at that. Its not my fault if you cant comprehend it.

It means that a Sunni Turk may kill a Russian Ambassador because of Sunni Syrian civilians being slaughtered in Aleppo, specifically because they were Sunni. It doesnt matter if he was Turkish and the slaughtered civilians were Syrian.
I don't often agree with you, but I thought it was a perfectly valid point and well put.
 

qliveur

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Yeah, I read it again, sober this time, and he was right.

Sorry, norse, for being a belligerent drunk.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Putin ordered the assassination of his own ambassador?

He ordered the killing of many of his politital opponents, he supports the killing of civilians in Allepo (and other locations), he took Crimea by force, he surpresses the media, demonizes all those supporting human rights or having a different sexual orientation (or supporting those that have). And he condones the fascist groups that attack and kill with racist or other motives.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38294204

He's slightly less worse than Stalin or Hitler, but not by much.
 

norseamd

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He ordered the killing of many of his politital opponents, he supports the killing of civilians in Allepo (and other locations), he took Crimea by force, he surpresses the media, demonizes all those supporting human rights or having a different sexual orientation (or supporting those that have). And he condones the fascist groups that attack and kill with racist or other motives.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38294204

He's slightly less worse than Stalin or Hitler, but not by much.

He was slightly less worse than he is now before 2012, but then the election protests happened, and he went full religion.
 
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