Russian Hacking is the Left's Benghazi.

[cubby1223]

Enjoy your lifetime of arguing.

 

[Bitek]

More like Bush v Gore for W.

He will never escape the air of illegitimacy.

Only more so because he lost so badly in the popular vote, as well as his currently inexplicable admiration of a hostile foreign power.

All his moves are suspect, and his bungling and ignorance only compounds this.

But yes, a controversy that will endure far beyond Trump's lifetime.

 

[HomerJS]

Enjoy your lifetime of arguing.

The arguing maybe but small difference.

Hillary not guilty as accused
Putin guilty as accused.

 

[brycejones]

Poor op.

 

[UglyCasanova]

More like Bush v Gore for W.

He will never escape the air of illegitimacy.

Only more so because he lost so badly in the popular vote, as well as his currently inexplicable admiration of a hostile foreign power.

All his moves are suspect, and his bungling and ignorance only compounds this.

But yes, a controversy that will endure far beyond Trump's lifetime.

What was released that would make his election illegitimate? Was the info in any of the "hacks" false?

 

[1sikbITCH]

What was released that would make his election illegitimate? Was the info in any of the "hacks" false?

Just like you guys with Pizzagate, there is no proof necessary; the American public has already decided.

It's President* Trump.

 

[Bitek]

What was released that would make his election illegitimate? Was the info in any of the "hacks" false?

Even if there were no Russian hacks, he would still carry the air of illegitimacy due to the enormous popular vote loss, the extensive lies and deception his campaign was built on, as well as all the offensive remarks and behavior he engaged in (the racist and sexist dog whistles) as well as the pattern of criminal behavior (the fraud cases to shady business practices to the sexual assaults.)

The Russian hacking is just getting the most attention.

 

[kage69]

More like Bush v Gore for W.

He will never escape the air of illegitimacy.

Only more so because he lost so badly in the popular vote, as well as his currently inexplicable admiration of a hostile foreign power.

All his moves are suspect, and his bungling and ignorance only compounds this.

But yes, a controversy that will endure far beyond Trump's lifetime.

I love it when a crap thread gets shut down with the first reply. haha.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Just like you guys with Pizzagate, there is no proof necessary; the American public has already decided.

It's President* Trump.

I don't subscribe to the pizza gate bs. As far as the "hacks" go though not a single email or document has been refuted much less shown to be inaccurate. Mainstream media accepts them as being true and authentic. Is this something you doubt?

So given that, why would his election be illegitimate?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Even if there were no Russian hacks, he would still carry the air of illegitimacy due to the enormous popular vote loss, the extensive lies and deception his campaign was built on, as well as all the offensive remarks and behavior he engaged in (the racist and sexist dog whistles) as well as the pattern of criminal behavior (the fraud cases to shady business practices to the sexual assaults.)

The Russian hacking is just getting the most attention.

• Popular vote doesn't matter when both candidates ran on the rules of an electoral college
• If lies and deception are a litmus test then every politician who's ever ran is considered illegitimate, especially Hillary. Does the deception to Democratic voters during the primaries mean Hillary's nomination was illegitimate? Public vs private positions?
• Offensive remarks and behavior doesn't mean he wasn't voted into office, no illigitimacy found there
• Both Trump and Clinton have both been accused of fraud and criminal behavior, to date no convictions. By that standard would we have an illegitimate president no matter what?

 

[dank69]

I don't subscribe to the pizza gate bs. As far as the "hacks" go though not a single email or document has been refuted much less shown to be inaccurate. Mainstream media accepts them as being true and authentic. Is this something you doubt?

So given that, why would his election be illegitimate?

I know this isn't the first time I've told you this but there also wasn't any incriminating or even shady content to any of the emails. But here you are, still duped into believing there was, just like the rest of the retarded half of our nation.

 

[Bitek]

• Popular vote doesn't matter when both candidates ran on the rules of an electoral college
• If lies and deception are a litmus test then every politician who's ever ran is considered illegitimate, especially Hillary. Does the deception to Democratic voters during the primaries mean Hillary's nomination was illegitimate? Public vs private positions?
• Offensive remarks and behavior doesn't mean he wasn't voted into office, no illigitimacy found there
• Both Trump and Clinton have both been accused of fraud and criminal behavior, to date no convictions. By that standard would we have an illegitimate president no matter what?

Sure you go with that.

Political legitimacy goes beyond strict legal definitions. The question is will the broad electorate ever see this president to have won a free and fair contest of ideas?

Not going happen. He has a better chance of being struck by lightning.

How many people continue to believe Obama was illegitimate due to the Birther lie?



PS. Lol on the fraud convictions. Yes, Trump has no convictions as he always settles with the agreement of "not admitting guilt" as he constantly reminds us.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I know this isn't the first time I've told you this but there also wasn't any incriminating or even shady content to any of the emails. But here you are, still duped into believing there was, just like the rest of the retarded half of our nation.

I said they weren't false, not that they were shady. We're discussing the legitimacy of his election and it's been implied in this thread those emails being released make him illegitimate. Why would they?

 

[dank69]

I said they weren't false, not that they were shady. We're discussing the legitimacy of his election and it's been implied in this thread those emails being released make him illegitimate. Why would they?

Umm...BECAUSE just releasing the benign emails was enough for the fake news machine to convince you and everyone else that Clinton was corrupt. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Are you stupid or do you just not WANT to understand it?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Umm...BECAUSE just releasing the benign emails was enough for the fake news machine to convince you and everyone else that Clinton was corrupt. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Are you stupid or do you just not WANT to understand it?

Clinton setting up her own email server to circumvent FOIA was enough to convince me and everyone else that she was corrupt. The emails being released was just icing on the cake that gave us better insight into her and her campaign. Why is that hard to understand?

 

[kage69]

• Popular vote doesn't matter when both candidates ran on the rules of an electoral college
• If lies and deception are a litmus test then every politician who's ever ran is considered illegitimate, especially Hillary. Does the deception to Democratic voters during the primaries mean Hillary's nomination was illegitimate? Public vs private positions?
• Offensive remarks and behavior doesn't mean he wasn't voted into office, no illigitimacy found there
• Both Trump and Clinton have both been accused of fraud and criminal behavior, to date no convictions. By that standard would we have an illegitimate president no matter what?

That is being overly generous to Trump isn't it? He's been sued 3,500 times, 20 of those for sexual harassment and gender discrimination, something like 160 settlements? My numbers are from last year so they've probably changed by now. I know he was idling at 75 pending legal disputes last October.

I can think of a handful of times Hillary got sued or involved with some scandal. Most of it was complete horseshit too. How many times has Hillary been suspected of mob ties?

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, and I say that as someone who has given Hillary plenty of shit about her trustworthiness issues. Her lying about State approval for the email server and her public vs private thing in particular. Regardless, there is a clear difference here and I can't ignore it.

I almost don't feel the issue of convictions here is relevant here, given the class of figures we are talking about. People from that realm of wealth and influence are rarely held to the same legal standards as the rest of us. It's why Cheney and Co. and a collection of people from Wall Street aren't currently behind bars.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Umm...BECAUSE just releasing the benign emails was enough for the fake news machine to convince you and everyone else that Clinton was corrupt. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Are you stupid or do you just not WANT to understand it?

So how many decided not to vote for Clinton because of these emails/fake news? It's very possible they had already decided and these emails/fake news made no difference.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I almost don't feel the issue of convictions here is relevant here, given the class of figures we are talking about. People from that realm of wealth and influence are rarely held to the same legal standards as the rest of us. It's why Cheney and Co. and a collection of people from Wall Street aren't currently behind bars.

You're absolutely right here.

 

[ivwshane]

Clinton setting up her own email server to circumvent FOIA was enough to convince me and everyone else that she was corrupt. The emails being released was just icing on the cake that gave us better insight into her and her campaign. Why is that hard to understand?

Lol! You are repeating gop talking points and not even realizing it.

Please tell us which emails from Clinton you found insightful?

 

[fskimospy]

I don't subscribe to the pizza gate bs. As far as the "hacks" go though not a single email or document has been refuted much less shown to be inaccurate. Mainstream media accepts them as being true and authentic. Is this something you doubt?

So given that, why would his election be illegitimate?

So that I'm sure I understand you let's go with this scenario:

Say Trump has some really weird fetish like he's an adult baby or something and he keeps a tape of his exploits locked up in the vault at Trump Tower. If North Korea sent in some criminals to burglarize his home and break into his vault so that they could release that tape to damage his electoral prospects your response would be 'I don't care that North Korea did that because the tape is genuine'?

 

[UglyCasanova]

To the best of my knowledge very little of her emails were released, mainly those of the people around her. What was insightful though? Public vs private position. Speech transcripts that she was paid a kings ransom for. Her being passed questions prior to the debates. The discussions surrounding how to deal with her email server situation. Shear number of reporters in the media colluding with her campaign before running stories. Blurred lines between campaign and super PAC. That's what comes to mind offhand, I'm sure there's more I can come up with.

 

[UglyCasanova]

So that I'm sure I understand you let's go with this scenario:

Say Trump has some really weird fetish like he's an adult baby or something and he keeps a tape of his exploits locked up in the vault at Trump Tower. If North Korea sent in some criminals to burglarize his home and break into his vault so that they could release that tape to damage his electoral prospects your response would be 'I don't care that North Korea did that because the tape is genuine'?

I would care that North Korea did that certainly but that would be information that needs to be public so I would also be glad it was released.

 

[Blackjack200]

Clinton setting up her own email server to circumvent FOIA was enough to convince me and everyone else that she was corrupt. The emails being released was just icing on the cake that gave us better insight into her and her campaign. Why is that hard to understand?

Holy shit, you know they're not the same emails, right?

 

[fskimospy]

I would care that North Korea did that certainly but that would be information that needs to be public so I would also be glad it was released.

Why would that information need to be public??? Regardless, you would care that a foreign power had committed a serious crime to harm the chances of a candidate but still think that had no bearing on the legitimacy of the election? What other crimes can they commit to aid candidates that you don't care about?

 

[senseamp]

Russia picking POTUS is not even in the same ballpark as Benghazi.