Russian intelligence has 'compromising' info on Trump

[fskimospy]

Whatever the truth of this is, I have absolutely no moral issue with a man or woman going to prostitutes to indulge a fetish.

Hmm, in a lot of cases I do. Prostitutes are often not in that role of their own free will and are instead forced into it by economic conditions or worse, especially in economically troubled countries. I have no problem with someone having a fetish and seeking out ways to indulge that but I do have a problem with them likely exploiting other people to do it.

 

[Blackjack200]

Hmm, in a lot of cases I do. Prostitutes are often not in that role of their own free will and are instead forced into it by economic conditions or worse, especially in economically troubled countries. I have no problem with someone having a fetish and seeking out ways to indulge that but I do have a problem with them likely exploiting other people to do it.

That's fair. I think that the escorts in the US and Canada that have Twitter accounts and websites and backpage ads are not likely exploited, but I can't really say that about prostitutes or escorts in general. Ultimately I think it's a government's responsibility to protect the safety of prostitutes and prevent them from being exploited, something which almost every government fails to do, but that doesn't absolve the individual john of responsibility.

 

[bshole]

Whatever the truth of this is, I have absolutely no moral issue with a man or woman going to prostitutes to indulge a fetish.

So they have no moral obligation to their spouse or significant other? I do not concur. Cheating on one's spouse can cause severe emotional suffering and is therefor immoral. If the spouse doesn't object, then I agree with you.

I was wrong to call Trump a deviant just because he likes to drink hooker urine for his own sexual pleasure. I apologize for that.

 

[WelshBloke]

4Chan hoax? "Leaked" intelligence source document that doesn't use proper headers?

Say it isn't so!

Doesn't Trump pretty much confirm that the story is true with this tweet?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Doesn't Trump pretty much confirm that the story is true with this tweet?

Why doesn't the leaked "intelligence document" have proper headers? Can you or anybody explain this to me?

 

[bshole]

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[PokerGuy]

Doesn't Trump pretty much confirm that the story is true with this tweet?

Huh? How is tweeting that it's fake news confirm that it's true?

 

[fskimospy]

Huh? How is tweeting that it's fake news confirm that it's true?

Tweeting that the intelligence community allowed it to leak into the public confirms that the documents came from the intelligence community (or are the same as ones they had/showed him), which is what DSF was disputing. Nobody knows if the allegations in those documents are true or not.

 

[Bowfinger]

Fake news IS irrelevant, it's just amusing to watch you desperate lefties so pathetically clinging to anything that confirms your hatred of Trump The hypocrisy of people like you who have spent years denying all the facts about the clinton lies are now eager to embrace bullcrap stories about Trump. Funny and pathetic at the same time. I've never liked Trump nor have I been a Trump supporter, but if the hysterical meltdown of the lefty snowflakes is any indication, the next four years are gonna be awesome!!

That's an interesting attempt to spin this, but it has little connection with reality. Whereas the righties seemed to fully embrace every ridiculous claim against Clinton -- Pizzagate? Really? -- I see a healthy level of skepticism from most on the left. I see them enjoying the irony of the Trumpsters getting a dose of their own medicine. Again, karma.

As to the story itself, time will tell. Trump being under Russian influence isn't a new story. Given Trump's colorful sexual history, the Russian hookers part seems fairly likely. Trump had the opportunity and the means; it's easy to see him having excellent adventures in Moscow. The golden showers part is more of a stretch. Maybe he's into that, maybe he's not, but it makes for great comedy. And while I won't speak for the left, I do enjoy seeing Donnie forever tarred with the same sort of innuendo that tainted President Obama as our first Muslim Kenyan POTUS. True or not, Donnie will be remembered as America's #1 POTUS. He deserves it.

 

[UNCjigga]

OK, let's all settle down for a moment. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that this single-sourced report from a British investigator, which cannot be verified by our Intelligence agencies, is 100% false. Let's also assume that this report was leaked either by a) US Intelligence officials familiar with this report with an axe to grind against Trump, or b) Democrats who were briefed on this report's existence who wanted it leaked prior to Tillerson's confirmation hearings. I'm basing my assumption off Occam's Razor, and that if this were true it would've leaked months ago (can't keep all those prostitutes quiet, or hotel cleanup staff, can you?)

Now that we've got those assumptions out of the way, how should Trump have responded? He did a horrible job with the response, IMO, and that speaks to the quality of the communications people around him and his own self-control. The only response needed should have read:

"I'm extremely disappointed with the media outlet's decision to make these ridiculous reports public before they can be properly vetted, serving their own agenda. I have no doubt that the truth this report is 100% false will become apparent. I have been briefed on this information and I appreciate our Intelligence officials who are thoroughly investigating these claims. My own campaign has been cooperating with the investigation to determine where these reports are coming from." Something to that effect. Am I the only one here who sees a bigger problem with the response than with the "Watersportsgate" report itself???


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[WelshBloke]

Huh? How is tweeting that it's fake news confirm that it's true?

He's saying that the intelligence services leaked it.

The story is that this information has been doing the rounds of the intelligence services and that the President and President elect were briefed on it.

Donald just confirmed that it was in the possession of the intelligence services (or they wouldn't be able to leak it).

 

[Blackjack200]

So they have no moral obligation to their spouse or significant other? I do not concur. Cheating on one's spouse can cause severe emotional suffering and is therefor immoral. If the spouse doesn't object, then I agree with you.

I was wrong to call Trump a deviant just because he likes to drink hooker urine for his own sexual pleasure. I apologize for that.

Everyone's marriage is different and their own business. I don't accept that extramarital sexual activity is always immoral. That said, we're getting pretty abstract here, I think Donald Trump is morally repugnant in every way, and a complete piece of shit.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I think this report is quite likely to be fake. It's the anti Trump version of pizzagate. That being said I believe the following is plausible:

1. Elements in Russia(or its govt) tried to undermine the Clinton campaign.
2. Trump has financial dealings with individual Russians, and that these individual Russians may also have dubious dealings with the Russian gov't.
3. Trump may have cheated on his wife while in Moscow.

What I doubt is plausible:

1. Substantial links between Trump, his campaign, and Russian intelligence.
2. That there is filmed evidence of a piss party.

In March 2011 he began all his birther bullshit. He talked about sending investigators to Hawaii, even. It's possible this was the moment that Putin realised that Trump could be useful or he started having the Kremlin whisper in Trump's ear that the birther claims would prove fruitful--or both. It wouldn't take much to play to Trump's narcissism and lead him down the garden path, all while sowing seeds of destabilisation within the U.S. that would pay off later. That the payoff was Trump winning the presidency five years later was probably not even Plan A at the time.

It's perfectly plausible that Putin has files on hundreds if not thousands of high-profile business- and political-types, and I'd automatically assume an American multi-millionaire like Trump who has visited Russia many times (as well as any member of the congress, the cabinet, or even senior state officials who has done so) has had research compiled on him just in case.

And in 2016, the circumstances were such that Trump could and did make a run for the presidency. If Putin didn't already have a file on him, including exploitable angles like his penchant for pussy, I'd be quite astonished.

 

[brycejones]

What's entertaining is his comment that it should never have been written. So the message to the community is don't put in writing things that may be critical of Trump. That's a dangerous message right there.

 

[HomerJS]

Sorry, missed that.

For all we know the whole thing is fake. Not a single reputable source wanted to publish it. Why? Because nobody could verify it. Only disreputable news orgs would publish it.

Even the NYT is calling bullshit.

Why crap on them? You had no problem with Fox News giving airtime to Trump and his birther bullshit.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

DSF,

You didn't read Welsh's post that you quoted. Trump himself is saying intelligence agencies leaked it. Are you contending that Trump is lying?

I asked a specific question. Do you have a specific answer?

 

[WelshBloke]

...and I'd automatically assume an American multi-millionaire like Trump who has visited Russia many times (as well as any member of the congress, the cabinet, or even senior state officials who has done so) has had research compiled on him just in case.

But...

So just visiting for the piss parties then Donald?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Snopes has weighed in.

http://www.snopes.com/u-s-trump-intelligence-russia/

 

[Blackjack200]

Snopes has weighed in.

http://www.snopes.com/u-s-trump-intelligence-russia/

Wow, they fucking tagged it with Golden Shower. I swear, you can't make this stuff up.

 

[WelshBloke]

Snopes has weighed in.

http://www.snopes.com/u-s-trump-intelligence-russia/

Which is pretty much exactly what everyone is saying, that there are unconfirmed reports of Donalds "questionable" behaviour circulating around intelligence agencies.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hmm, in a lot of cases I do. Prostitutes are often not in that role of their own free will and are instead forced into it by economic conditions or worse, especially in economically troubled countries. I have no problem with someone having a fetish and seeking out ways to indulge that but I do have a problem with them likely exploiting other people to do it.

Fun fact! 70% of sex trade workers in the UK were in health care, education and charity efforts. The UK has decided that these people need a second job to support themselves.

 

[VRAMdemon]

But...

So just visiting for the piss parties then Donald?

Quoting George Takei: "Tinkle tinkle little czar, Putin put you where you are"

Golden showers
Fill your eyes
Smiles await you
When you rise
Pee pretty darlings
Do not cry
And I will strum the balalika.

 

[desura]

Why didn't this come out before the election?

This is kind of a master stroke by the Russians. Release this shit just after the guy is elected and we are stuck with him. Kudos.

If there is a major terrorist attack I would hope that Pence is the one leading the response.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Why didn't this come out before the election?

This is kind of a master stroke by the Russians. Release this shit just after the guy is elected and we are stuck with him. Kudos.

If there is a major terrorist attack I would hope that Pence is the one leading the response.

Because Russia's has been helping him the last 5 years....and this is just one more example. Everybody knows this.

 

[pauldun170]

You folks know this benefits Trump and the GOP.
It's distracting everyone from his nominees. Distracting everyone from GOP shenanigans.
The crap that directly impacts your lives.