Russian intelligence has 'compromising' info on Trump

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bshole

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The briefing was presented orally, the subject wasn't discussed, and the briefing materials weren't given to Trump...so just how does this translate into the information somehow being "presented" to him?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...jects-dossier-alleged-russia-dealings-n705586

That seems to be true based on the article.
While multiple officials say the summary was included in the material prepared for the briefers, the senior official told NBC News that the briefing was oral and no actual documents were left with the Trump team in New York. During the briefing, the president-elect was not briefed on the contents of the summary .

How does this relate to Trump's fetish for drinking whore urine?
 

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The briefing was presented orally, the subject wasn't discussed, and the briefing materials weren't given to Trump...so just how does this translate into the information somehow being "presented" to him?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...jects-dossier-alleged-russia-dealings-n705586

I wasn't saying the intel report was "bogus".

Wait, so you agree the intel itself (Russian kompromat on Trump) isn't verifiably bogus(?), and are having some sort of odd hissy fit over the difference between being orally presented intel and handed intel documents, which so far is only corroborated by a single source in one NBC report, in contrast to multiple reports from NYT, WaPo, BBC, CNN, etc. saying kompromat intel was presented to him? I guess, uh, good for you?

In case you don't know, nobody really cares how it was presented, they care if the existence of kompromat is true. That's the story.
 
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Also, Clapper already addressed what he told Trump:

Business Insider: The Director of National Intelligence on Wednesday night announced that he had spoken with President-elect Donald Trump about an unverified report that Russia had incriminating personal and financial information about Trump.

CBS: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said later Wednesday that he had spoken with Mr. Trump about the dossier and told him the intelligence community “has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable.”

DNI Clapper statement: The IC has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions. However, part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.

I guess, at this point, DSF is arguing that Clapper et al conversation didn't happen at the briefing last week CNN originally reported on? Oh who knows...
 

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You keep claiming that Clapper confirmed that the 2 page summary was specifically presented to Trump and Obama. He did not say that. Articles covering the briefing say that it's unclear if it was discussed, or in the case of NBC, that it wasn't discussed.

You're parsing "presented" to mean only verbally. Clapper stated that the document, with addendum, was presented to Trump. It was not left with him after the briefing though. There is a distinction.
 

bshole

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I guess, at this point, DSF is arguing that Clapper et al conversation didn't happen at the briefing last week CNN originally reported on? Oh who knows...

or cares.... He thinks he scoring points but I don't understand why.
 

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The briefing was presented orally, the subject wasn't discussed, and the briefing materials weren't given to Trump...so just how does this translate into the information somehow being "presented" to him?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...jects-dossier-alleged-russia-dealings-n705586

I wasn't saying the intel report was "bogus".

The materials weren't left with him after the briefing. He was given them for the briefing. Otherwise, why even bother to create them?
 
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That seems to be true based on the article.

How does this relate to Trump's fetish for drinking whore urine?
CNN was effectively calling Trump a liar by saying Trump was briefed on this issue last Friday when Trump said he wasn't. Anyway, the "disinformation" is being vetted by intelligence.

Anyone have a link to the 2 page synopsis?
 

bshole

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CNN was effectively calling Trump a liar by saying Trump was briefed on this issue last Friday when Trump said he wasn't. Anyway, the "disinformation" is being vetted by intelligence.

Anyone have a link to the 2 page synopsis?


I think I understand. That is a point for you I guess. A remarkably meaningless and banal point that does nothing to undermine the central tenet of all of this....

A stronger argument might be against the source of the information (British spy) which I must admit seems pretty sketchy.

Mr. Steele, 52, was a longstanding officer with MI6, the British equivalent of the C.I.A., serving in Paris and Moscow in the 1990s before retiring. In 2009, he started a private research firm, Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd., with Christopher Burrows, now 58. Mr. Burrows has refused to confirm or deny that Mr. Steele and Orbis wrote the memos that made up the dossier, initially under contract to a Washington firm paid to dig into harmful matters from Mr. Trump’s past.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/christopher-steele-trump-russia-dossier.html
 
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The materials weren't left with him after the briefing. He was given them for the briefing. Otherwise, why even bother to create them?
The NBC source indicates that the subject wasn't discussed and that their briefing materials weren't given to Trump or his staff during the meeting or left with him to review after the meeting. It was included within their briefing materials in case the subject came up regarding 'analyzed intelligence' vs. 'unvetted disinformation'. There was also a similar example of this within the briefing materials packet regarding the Clinton Foundation...which also wasn't discussed.
 
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I think I understand. That is a point for you I guess. A remarkably meaningless and banal point that does nothing to undermine the central tenet of all of this....

A stronger argument might be against the source of the information (British spy) which I must admit seems pretty sketchy.



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/christopher-steele-trump-russia-dossier.html
The whole thing is sketchy as hell...but if everything in that report is actually true, I'll be first in line screaming to impeach him.
 

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The whole thing is sketchy as hell...but if everything in that report is actually true, I'll be first in line screaming to impeach him.

Agreed. OTOH, the whole rationale behind "Lock her up!" was every bit as sketchy but you bought into that rather easily.

In post-truth America those who live by the sword shall perish by it.
 

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The whole thing is sketchy as hell...but if everything in that report is actually true, I'll be first in line screaming to impeach him.
The biggest for me is if anyone in the campaign was in contact with Russia, you don't have to go there to be in contact. The Russian hookers would be a cherry on top !
 
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Agreed. OTOH, the whole rationale behind "Lock her up!" was every bit as sketchy but you bought into that rather easily.

In post-truth America those who live by the sword shall perish by it.
Most Americans are so self-deluded as to believe that if they had done anything even remotely similar to what Hillary did in her handling highly sensitive, classified and top secret information that they would be have indeed been locked up... regardless of lack of intent, negligence or feigned ignorance.

But apparently "post-truth America" believes otherwise. Nice deflection from the topic though.
 
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Like I said, you don't have to be there to be in contact.
The memos specifically indicate that Cohen attended at a meeting with Russian operatives in Prague last August/September. This is now looking to be complete horseshit. But hey...if it's any consolation, I'm sure the rest of the information turns out to be just as credible.
 

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Most Americans are so self-deluded as to believe that if they had done anything even remotely similar to what Hillary did in her handling highly sensitive, classified and top secret information that they would be have indeed been locked up... regardless of lack of intent, negligence or feigned ignorance.

But apparently "post-truth America" believes otherwise. Nice deflection from the topic though.

Dodge weave dodge weave
 

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I think it's safe to say that news and journalism is now dead.

Twitter and facebook destroyed it. Getting eyeballs on your website makes being the first to the story matter more than investigating and coming out with the right story.

Really a shame that we undermined our news media by creating an economy built on consumerism and advertising.

So for those keeping track at home here. Twitter bad, lamestream media bad, NBC news good?

The real irony of this situation is how furiously those complaining how frivolous the media is have been rushing to get ahead of the story. Just like trump's trite condemnation of anything negative about him and heralding anything that might taper it.

I wouldn't rush to conclusion as to whether he's a simpleton in addition to degenerate (characteristics without which this sort of story would be impotent), but he should appeals to them.
 
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Also, Clapper already addressed what he told Trump:

Business Insider: The Director of National Intelligence on Wednesday night announced that he had spoken with President-elect Donald Trump about an unverified report that Russia had incriminating personal and financial information about Trump.

CBS: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said later Wednesday that he had spoken with Mr. Trump about the dossier and told him the intelligence community “has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable.”

DNI Clapper statement: The IC has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions. However, part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.

I guess, at this point, DSF is arguing that Clapper et al conversation didn't happen at the briefing last week CNN originally reported on? Oh who knows...
This all belongs in the "No Shit Sherlock" department.
 
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Most Americans are so self-deluded as to believe that if they had done anything even remotely similar to what Hillary did in her handling highly sensitive, classified and top secret information that they would be have indeed been locked up... regardless of lack of intent, negligence or feigned ignorance.

But apparently "post-truth America" believes otherwise. Nice deflection from the topic though.
And yet those ravers completely ignored several actual cases of Trump using his charity as a personal piggy bank for himself and his business. The rants against Clinton were all about drawing long lines to make conclusion. Trump straight up broke the law with his and not one said a word about it.
 
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And yet those ravers completely ignored several actual cases of Trump using his charity as a personal piggy bank for himself and his business. The rants against Clinton were all about drawing long lines to make conclusion. Trump straight up broke the law with his and not one said a word about it.

Not a fucking peep! They are hypocrites and they simply don't care. Party before country is their creed not their motto.
 
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