Russian intelligence has 'compromising' info on Trump

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IronWing

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So where are we with this? Are Trump-Zeus jokes legit like Brady's balls jokes?
 

HamburgerBoy

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Unless the news story is: here's an unverified report.

Just because I am not familiar with your history, do you have the same issues with Wikileaks?

If that's all it is, sure. Right now there seems to be a potential that this report has been referred to on and off over the last few months, and CNN's original report wasn't really all that critical.

I have no problem with Wikileaks, and as I've said earlier, I respect BuzzFeed's approach in discussing this story much more than I do CNN's. If you have a hot story but aren't sure if it's legit, either 1) verify it (something Wikileaks does for most of its emails via DKIM) or 2) don't refer to it at all until you're confident it's truthful, assuming you want to be respected as a source of news. BuzzFeed took a sort of middle-ground by releasing the actual documents, allowing anyone to criticize their authenticity, but probably knowing full well that it had potential to do harm to the story's subject. BuzzFeed is a clickbait organization anyways, so they don't have to be held to a higher standard.

If you think I'm upset that Trump is being accused of bad things untruthfully, I can tell you you're wrong on the grounds that 1) I don't like Trump and didn't vote for him and 2) This story has the potential to validate everything that Trump supporters believe about MSM being fake news. All the Trump people on /pol/ are ecstatic about this story, even now that they realize they aren't responsible for it.
 

Jaskalas

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Huh? It's hard to call news less than 24 hrs old a "lie"

The document, which was not prepared by the U.S. government, contains obvious errors. It was originally generated as part of opposition research by anti-Trump Republicans and then shopped by Democrats.
According to the senior official, the two-page summary about the unsubstantiated material made available to the briefers was to provide context, should they need it, to draw the distinction for Trump between analyzed intelligence and unvetted "disinformation."
 

jackstar7

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The document, which was not prepared by the U.S. government, contains obvious errors. It was originally generated as part of opposition research by anti-Trump Republicans and then shopped by Democrats.
According to the senior official, the two-page summary about the unsubstantiated material made available to the briefers was to provide context, should they need it, to draw the distinction for Trump between analyzed intelligence and unvetted "disinformation."
We're not talking about the summary. Why are you/your citations?
 

Accord99

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We're not talking about the summary. Why are you/your citations?
From the way I read the NBC article, NBC's source is saying that the two page summary of reports like that of the 35 page memo were created so that if the need arrived, the briefers would have an example of what fakes/unverified intelligence information would look like, as compared to the stronger reports that the intelligence community would provide.
 

First

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The document, which was not prepared by the U.S. government, contains obvious errors. It was originally generated as part of opposition research by anti-Trump Republicans and then shopped by Democrats.
According to the senior official, the two-page summary about the unsubstantiated material made available to the briefers was to provide context, should they need it, to draw the distinction for Trump between analyzed intelligence and unvetted "disinformation."

Your NBC story is, itself, unverified. Of course it could be entirely true...but there's no evidence of that yet, and you should know that.

Also, you should read the other ATPN threads here to see that there are separate CIA sources corroborating at least the idea of Trump sexual blackmail (god I can't believe I have to write that sentence).
 

agent00f

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Your NBC story is, itself, unverified. Of course it could be entirely true...but there's no evidence of that yet, and you should know that.

Also, you should read the other ATPN threads here to see that there are separate CIA sources corroborating at least the idea of Trump sexual blackmail (god I can't believe I have to write that sentence).

Lamestream news is fake, except for any reports that can be seen to go our way. --Trump & friends.
 

UglyCasanova

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So I've been out of the loop most of the day, where do we stand on all of this? Still just here say? Trump admit it on his press conference this morning? Some true some not?
 

HomerJS

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Buzzfeed is a joke. But it's disturbing that others also saw fit to perpetuate this story as well as the completely false narrative that Michael Cohen and three colleagues traveled to Prague to meet with Russian operatives. They must have learned how to vet their stories from Dan Rather. I wish Newsroom was still on the air...I'd love to see an episode on this fiasco.
The level of evidence in the Trump story is no different then the level of evidence in Trumps claim about Obama's birth certificate. Guess who set those standards??
 

agent00f

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Is this the same ethnofascist defense force that has been waging war with the Douchebag Liberation Front over control of Fantasyland?

You're familiar with the quite sizable group which don't mind their stormfront friends but really object to centrist democrats and western liberalism in general.
 

Amused

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There were supposed documents proving that Obama was born in Kenya which never materialized. Is it not fake news to report "While we don't know if these documents are real, we're going to keep talking about them on the chance that they are"?

Did you even read the OP or the first few pages of this thread? At the time it was even alleged that these documents were the same ones that inspired accusations by Harry Reid and others of there being strong evidence of Trump's involvement with Russia, just weeks before the election. If it turns out that these documents were the same alleged evidence used to make Trump bad in early November, do you not see the implications of a supposedly reputable news organization throwing that around, even if coated with asterisks?

They never materialized because they never existed. These documents came FROM the intelligence community. Apples and oranges. You're trying to equate tin foil hat conspiracies to actual intelligence documents. (verified or not)

No. I don't. The fact that Trump was just recently briefed on this makes it news. The country has a right to know what intelligence he was briefed on. Why are you reaching this hard?

My point was that this is in no way, shape or form "fake news." The news orgs did not manufacture it, nor did they report on it know it does not exist.

Is this simple logic to much for you to grasp?
 

cytg111

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Anyone in FSB intelligence or otherwise with access to a homevideo of trump engaged in a golden whizing party can pretty much write their own $$ ticket if they're willing to sell it.
 

LegendKiller

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They never materialized because they never existed. These documents came FROM the intelligence community. Apples and oranges. You're trying to equate tin foil hat conspiracies to actual intelligence documents. (verified or not)

No. I don't. The fact that Trump was just recently briefed on this makes it news. The country has a right to know what intelligence he was briefed on. Why are you reaching this hard?

My point was that this is in no way, shape or form "fake news." The news orgs did not manufacture it, nor did they report on it know it does not exist.

Is this simple logic to much for you to grasp?
Yeah, because major parts of it are already being debunked. Like Cohen being in Prague when it was a different Cohen and the trump affiliated one was at usc.

That alone sheds major doubt on the entire report. What a fuck up.

The rest of it is bs. Trump has stated emphatically he wasn't briefed. Not a single official statement has been made that he was. All we have are "souces" and bullshit.

The author of the "dossier" has gone missing (how convenient). He was under gop contract to create it (lol, mclame), and is gone. It didn't come from the "intelligence community", it came from a hired gun character assassination joint which took it from 4chan. Get a fucking clue.

This sounds about as moronic as the assange pedophile bullshit that went down.
 

Fritzo

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I love all the value judgments from this highly credible source. Add in Tom Arnord's "proof" and we've got a scandal of epic proportions! /s

I know the Tom Arnold thing sounds ridiculous, but follow him on Twitter. He's like 5/5 on his claims so far.
 

Amused

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Yeah, because major parts of it are already being debunked. Like Cohen being in Prague when it was a different Cohen and the trump affiliated one was at usc.

That alone sheds major doubt on the entire report. What a fuck up.

The rest of it is bs. Trump has stated emphatically he wasn't briefed. Not a single official statement has been made that he was. All we have are "souces" and bullshit.

The author of the "dossier" has gone missing (how convenient). He was under gop contract to create it (lol, mclame), and is gone. It didn't come from the "intelligence community", it came from a hired gun character assassination joint which took it from 4chan. Get a fucking clue.

This sounds about as moronic as the assange pedophile bullshit that went down.

So... what you're saying is all you have is denials to debunk it with.

Hmmmm.

Larf.

At any rate, calling it "fake news" is a petty distraction and intentional misrepresentation. Yet another Trumper Tantrum.
 

norseamd

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Yeah, because major parts of it are already being debunked. Like Cohen being in Prague when it was a different Cohen and the trump affiliated one was at usc.

That alone sheds major doubt on the entire report. What a fuck up.

The rest of it is bs. Trump has stated emphatically he wasn't briefed. Not a single official statement has been made that he was. All we have are "souces" and bullshit.

The author of the "dossier" has gone missing (how convenient). He was under gop contract to create it (lol, mclame), and is gone. It didn't come from the "intelligence community", it came from a hired gun character assassination joint which took it from 4chan. Get a fucking clue.

This sounds about as moronic as the assange pedophile bullshit that went down.

I see you ran out of your Tucks again.
 

LegendKiller

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Yeah fsck all those "sources" gimme some of em sweet, sweet lies.

Retard.
Not a single named source. That's means they can say whatever the fuck they want and you can't verify it.

I bet cnn's "sources" said this guy was really on a real boat too.

https://youtu.be/Wn5pIkEHPf0

I am sure those same sources are the ones that said Zimmerman really said f'ing c**ns and brown really had his hands up dont shoot.

And i am sure those same sources said there were wmds in iraq.

In other words, fuck your anonymous sources. If one of these chickenshits want me to believe this they can come out and be named snd face public scrutiny.
 
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LegendKiller

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So... what you're saying is all you have is denials to debunk it with.

Hmmmm.

Larf.

At any rate, calling it "fake news" is a petty distraction and intentional misrepresentation. Yet another Trumper Tantrum.
It is fake news. Traditional media wouldn't run it. Why? Because it was bullshit. It took a desperate cnn to run it and a shitpost site in buzz feed to let all of the details free.

Alt right indeed.
 

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Fritzo

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hahaha, looks like the fake news machine is working overtime again

Not so sure. There's something weird going on here.

It is fake news. Traditional media wouldn't run it. Why? Because it was bullshit. It took a desperate cnn to run it and a shitpost site in buzz feed to let all of the details free.

Alt right indeed.

All the news outlets are carrying it now, and you KNOW something weird is happening when Fox News comes to the defense of CNN:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-journalist-should-be-subjected-to-belittling
 
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