Russian intelligence has 'compromising' info on Trump

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HomerJS

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Aw damn it, its Shepard Smith. One of the few honest brokers at Fox for years. If it had been Brit Hume I would have had a coronary.

However props to Shep. He'll probably have to report to the bosses office for this.
 

Jhhnn

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Aw damn it, its Shepard Smith. One of the few honest brokers at Fox for years. If it had been Brit Hume I would have had a coronary.

However props to Shep. He'll probably have to report to the bosses office for this.

Of curse the fourth estate will stick together. Other than the ones that don't have any sense, like Breitbart. Authoritarian regimes always start in on the free press as a primary means of control.
 

bozack

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Agreed. OTOH, you weren't nearly as discriminating when the bullshit storm was blowing in the other direction prior to the election.

Post-truth apparently cuts both ways. Try to remember that decades of right wing agitprop & conspiracy theories got people to thinking that way in the first place.

It's unsurprising that somebody would use Repubs' own weapons against them.

You know how dumb this sounds, if the leaked emails were doctored or fake all the dems had to do was say this was the case and the media would have ran with it in their favor, but they couldn't because they knew the emails were legit.

Trump has come out of the gate saying these claims were bull...media outlets are admitting they have done no vetting of this information prior to release, buzzfeed has openly admitted they have no proof that any of it was real....

Even if any of this is true the media has shot themselves in the ass with this and it undermines anything they release in the future on him.
 

HomerJS

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You know how dumb this sounds, if the leaked emails were doctored or fake all the dems had to do was say this was the case and the media would have ran with it in their favor, but they couldn't because they knew the emails were legit.

Trump has come out of the gate saying these claims were bull...media outlets are admitting they have done no vetting of this information prior to release, buzzfeed has openly admitted they have no proof that any of it was real....

Even if any of this is true the media has shot themselves in the ass with this and it undermines anything they release in the future on him.
Trump did the same thing with birtherism. Why didn't it undermine him?
 

cytg111

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jackstar7

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Why would Russian intelligence officials freely (or for some small monetary gain as suggested) divulge super sensitive information about a 5-years-deep con that involved planting a stooge into their strongest opponent?
You should really elaborate on the small part of that piece to which you are referring.
 

norseamd

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Why would Russian intelligence officials freely (or for some small monetary gain as suggested) divulge super sensitive information about a 5-years-deep con that involved planting a stooge into their strongest opponent?

Russia isnt exactly under lock and key to Putin. He isnt some god who controls everything in Russia, he is simply top dog, and a pretty powerful top dog at that, but this is also Russia we are talking about. You know the place where the population is so drunk they are killing themselves off, where assets of the old communist government were sold off by government employees to the highest bribe bidder, where individuals use Krokodil until their face literally falls off, and where you have to worry daily about someone crashing into your car to sue you in a fraud scam. Truly Upper Volta with Missiles.
 

HamburgerBoy

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You should really elaborate on the small part of that piece to which you are referring.

Claims about a Russian blackmail tape were made in one of a series of reports written by a former British intelligence agent.

As a member of MI6, he had been posted to the UK's embassy in Moscow and now runs a consultancy giving advice on doing business in Russia. He spoke to a number of his old contacts in the FSB, the successor to the KGB, paying some of them for information.

They told him that Mr Trump had been filmed with a group of prostitutes in the presidential suite of Moscow's Ritz-Carlton hotel. I know this because the Washington political research company that commissioned his report showed it to me during the final week of the election campaign.

Kinda an important part to the story.

I mean yeah Russia is corrupt, but an FSB member could just as easily sell fake information for the hell of it. Or even for the intended purpose of making a story so absurd that Trump comes out looking better and like a victim of Russia. Why would you trust Russian testimony in just this one instance?

This would also imply that Source E (a supposed close Russian associate/friend of Trump's) is this FSB member, based on the way the report is written. Bullshit meters are starting to flare pretty heavily for me now.
 

mikeymikec

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Why would Russian intelligence officials freely (or for some small monetary gain as suggested) divulge super sensitive information about a 5-years-deep con that involved planting a stooge into their strongest opponent?

1) Perhaps not all Russian intelligence officials (who have access to that information) agree with how it or he is going to be used, or the choice of him?

2) Perhaps undermining faith in the democratic process in the US is part of the aim here? If Trump got kicked out of office now without some kind of indisputable "smoking gun on live television" incident, I think it's reasonable to assume that at least 75% of his supporters would think that some kind of conspiracy to get rid of him unjustly had occurred. IMO they would likely fall back on the gospel they've been fed that "the system is rigged", and considering they fell for all of that crap in the first place without a direct and undesirable (to them) consequence, it just makes them even more susceptible to it in future.
 

pcgeek11

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This whole thing is just one big poop festival. I have yet to see anything that I would call credible. Nothing.
 

HamburgerBoy

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I can't imagine Putin allows for much dissent among his underlings when he assassinates reporters that disagree with him.

Second point makes sense explaining the overall goal for Russian involvement in America, but it ultimately requires that the video (or anything similarly damning) actually exists for it to matter. Also doesn't really explain the specific reason for releasing info to this one ex-MI6 guy. Unless the memo itself is just intended to cause controversy and polarize American politics further, but if that's the case it doesn't even matter if reports are factual, because the damage is still being done.
 
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norseamd

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I can't imagine Putin allows for much dissent among his underlings when he assassinates reporters that disagree with him.

Second point makes sense explaining the overall goal for Russian involvement in America, but it ultimately requires that the video (or anything similarly damning) actually exists for it to matter. Also doesn't really explain the specific reason for releasing info to this one ex-MI6 guy. Unless the memo itself is just intended to cause controversy and polarize American politics further, but if that's the case it doesn't even matter if reports are factual, because the damage is still being done.

Well rest assured if he was not specifically aware of and in agreement with the supposed Russian contacts leaking this, he is surely looking for them now.
 

norseamd

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I can't imagine Putin allows for much dissent among his underlings when he assassinates reporters that disagree with him.

Second point makes sense explaining the overall goal for Russian involvement in America, but it ultimately requires that the video (or anything similarly damning) actually exists for it to matter. Also doesn't really explain the specific reason for releasing info to this one ex-MI6 guy. Unless the memo itself is just intended to cause controversy and polarize American politics further, but if that's the case it doesn't even matter if reports are factual, because the damage is still being done.

You might want to know about the trouble Putin and Medvedev have been having with the Russian Space Program.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/for-russias-space-program-2016-may-be-a-make-or-break-year/

https://www.wired.com/2016/12/russias-space-program-blowing-rockets/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-space-idUSTRE7AP0FI20111126

http://www.parabolicarc.com/2015/05/18/putin-skolkovo-fate-russias-space-program/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/0...s-silicon-valley-medvedev-go-russia-skolkovo/

http://www.space.com/14588-russian-space-failures-larger-problems.html

http://www.space.com/14077-russia-rocket-factory-security-breach.html

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/03/europe/russia-space-crisis-chance/

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/25/technology/russia-space-corruption/
 

Pens1566

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Clapper is now confirming, in the open, that the info was in fact briefed to Trump :

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/politics/james-clapper-donald-trump/index.html

For you non-readers :

Clapper said he told Trump that intelligence agencies made no judgement about the reliability of the allegations.

Clapper said in his statement that the synopsis was included in the briefing because "part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security."
 

mikeymikec

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I can't imagine Putin allows for much dissent among his underlings when he assassinates reporters that disagree with him.

The nature of reporting inherently involves making one's views public. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure almost everyone here has experienced keeping an unpopular view quiet when dealing with management, and that's without the vaguest risk of assassination.
 
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Yeah fsck all those "sources" gimme some of em sweet, sweet lies.

Retard.
Who's the retard here? Looks like Trump wasn't briefed on this after all....you just fell for some more incredibly shoddy yellow journalism from CNN. lol

Donald Trump Wasn’t Told About Unverified Russia Memo, Official Says
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...jects-dossier-alleged-russia-dealings-n705586

While multiple officials say the summary was included in the material prepared for the briefers, the senior official told NBC News that the briefing was oral and no actual documents were left with the Trump team in New York. During the briefing, the president-elect was not briefed on the contents of the summary .

"Intel and law enforcement officials agree that none of the investigations have found any conclusive or direct link between Trump and the Russian government period," the senior official said.

According to the senior official, the two-page summary about the unsubstantiated material made available to the briefers was to provide context, should they need it, to draw the distinction for Trump between analyzed intelligence and unvetted "disinformation."

The briefers also had available to them unvetted "disinformation" about the Clinton Foundation, although that was not orally shared with Trump.​
 
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Pens1566

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Who's the retard here? Looks like Trump wasn't briefed on this after all....you just fell for some more incredibly shoddy yellow journalism from CNN. lol

Donald Trump Wasn’t Told About Unverified Russia Memo, Official Says
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...jects-dossier-alleged-russia-dealings-n705586

While multiple officials say the summary was included in the material prepared for the briefers, the senior official told NBC News that the briefing was oral and no actual documents were left with the Trump team in New York. During the briefing, the president-elect was not briefed on the contents of the summary .

"Intel and law enforcement officials agree that none of the investigations have found any conclusive or direct link between Trump and the Russian government period," the senior official said.

According to the senior official, the two-page summary about the unsubstantiated material made available to the briefers was to provide context, should they need it, to draw the distinction for Trump between analyzed intelligence and unvetted "disinformation."

The briefers also had available to them unvetted "disinformation" about the Clinton Foundation, although that was not orally shared with Trump.​

So, to contrast that with the non-anonymous statement from Clapper ... the best case (for Trump) is that he just didn't read the material. And that Clapper indicated the info was included as raw, yet unverified, HUMINT that was being worked. Hmmm ... which one to believe ....

Putting aside on the record vs anonymous sources of course.
 

vi edit

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One bit of info I read this morning is that this "informant" is the same guy that worked with the CIA to bring down Blatter (FIFA). Interesting info although does nothing to credit any of this particular information.
 

momeNt

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I think it's safe to say that news and journalism is now dead.

Twitter and facebook destroyed it. Getting eyeballs on your website makes being the first to the story matter more than investigating and coming out with the right story.

Really a shame that we undermined our news media by creating an economy built on consumerism and advertising.
 

Ichinisan

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Who's the retard here? Looks like Trump wasn't briefed on this after all....you just fell for some more incredibly shoddy yellow journalism from CNN. lol

Donald Trump Wasn’t Told About Unverified Russia Memo, Official Says
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...jects-dossier-alleged-russia-dealings-n705586

While multiple officials say the summary was included in the material prepared for the briefers, the senior official told NBC News that the briefing was oral and no actual documents were left with the Trump team in New York. During the briefing, the president-elect was not briefed on the contents of the summary .

"Intel and law enforcement officials agree that none of the investigations have found any conclusive or direct link between Trump and the Russian government period," the senior official said.

According to the senior official, the two-page summary about the unsubstantiated material made available to the briefers was to provide context, should they need it, to draw the distinction for Trump between analyzed intelligence and unvetted "disinformation."

The briefers also had available to them unvetted "disinformation" about the Clinton Foundation, although that was not orally shared with Trump.​
Huh? I thought it was supposed to be an Obama briefing. Not a Trump briefing.
 
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