Russian MoD to US: "If you bomb Damascus, we will respond with military force"

[Hayabusa Rider]

What? Lol what is incongruous about my posting and "having a good life". If are suggesting I am poor, then LOL. Swing and a miss.

You may have a fortune, but I am afraid you are poor in spirit. Stop channeling Trump.

 

[JSt0rm]

What? Lol what is incongruous about my posting and "having a good life". If are suggesting I am poor, then LOL. Swing and a miss.

you can be poor and have a good life

 

[1prophet]

Dude, you support a butcher.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/08/syria-torture-prisons/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...0-secretly-hanged-in-syrian-jail-says-amnesty

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ct-study-condemns-weaponisation-of-healthcare

https://www.hrw.org/news/2012/02/03/syria-stop-torture-children

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/05/syria-children-maim-torture-assad-forces-un

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/05/syria-children-maim-torture-assad-forces-un

GCC? GNU Compiler Collection?

You sound like George Bush and his lackeys when anyone questioned him about his excellent adventure in Iraq to eliminate the Butcher of Baghdad,

trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives later plus the ever increasing middle east religious right types it created "that you love apologizing for" you want a repeat performance?

 

[Victorian Gray]

You sound like George Bush and his lackeys when anyone questioned him about his excellent adventure in Iraq to eliminate the Butcher of Baghdad,

trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives later plus the ever increasing middle east religious right types it created "that you love apologizing for" you want a repeat performance?

Take your shit and spread it somewhere else dude.

 

[zinfamous]

Aren't doctors supposed to take some sort of oath to HELP people? I'm not sure he's been doing much of that lately. Or maybe he's not a MD.

He's a dentist, I think. I don't know of any dentists that get into their careers without the profound desire to torture people and dispense as much misery as possible.

 

[justoh]

He's a dentist, I think. I don't know of any dentists that get into their careers without the profound desire to torture people and dispense as much misery as possible.

You're a rabid anti-dentite! Oh, it starts with a few jokes and some slurs. " Hey, denty!" Next thing you know you're saying they should have their own schools...

 

[thilanliyan]

He's a dentist, I think. I don't know of any dentists that get into their careers without the profound desire to torture people and dispense as much misery as possible.

That explains it.

 

[ibex333]

Ever since Trump got elected, yep. He's Putin's stooge.


Putin is simply giving his lap dog a slap on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper. "Bad doggy! No threatening Damascus!"

Nonsense. I don't know where you dream up such ridiculous ideas.

The bottom line is, someone very powerful in US wants more oil, and that is why US military is there stirring up the sediment. Putin says, hands off. You are not killing innocents, and not changing regimes over personal greed. Iraq, Lybia, Serbia.... Enough is enough!

via Imgflip Meme Generator

 

[FIVR]

He's a dentist, I think. I don't know of any dentists that get into their careers without the profound desire to torture people and dispense as much misery as possible.

He's an Ophthalmologist. Not a D.D.S. you rabid anti-dentite

 

[IronWing]

I would have bet my eyeteeth that he was the other.

 

[Jaskalas]

I couldn't imagine a much worse situation in Syria than if we toppled Assad. Imagine how many lives it'd take, and the costs of each successive power struggle afterwards. Not to mention that's the exact sort of environment ISIS would thrive in. The premise of this topic is regime change in Syria, and that'd be a very poor decision.

So then, what isn't a poor decision? The problem is the present slaughter of civilians. How do we exert enough pressure to end the violence without making matters worse?

TL;DR: What does peace in Syria look like?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I couldn't imagine a much worse situation in Syria than if we toppled Assad. Imagine how many lives it'd take, and the costs of each successive power struggle afterwards. Not to mention that's the exact sort of environment ISIS would thrive in. The premise of this topic is regime change in Syria, and that'd be a very poor decision.

So then, what isn't a poor decision? The problem is the present slaughter of civilians. How do we exert enough pressure to end the violence without making matters worse?

TL;DR: What does peace in Syria look like?

There are situations where least worst option is to keep out of things. With that said Assad is worse than any Trump and you know what I think about him. But some do tend to embrace murdering authoritarians like Kim, Duterte and Assad.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Not Russian, but I suppose you could call me an anti-american. I'm born and raised in the darkness of America like Bane and I have come to see that we live in a dying, evil empire. I seem to be the only one who has figured this out.


That's why I confuse you. You're just a sheep, while I am woke AF

Congratulations, you're retarded. Read what you wrote again, and if it sounds logical, reasonable, or remotely realistic to you, seek professional help.

 

[hal2kilo]

I would have bet my eyeteeth that he was the other.

Oh what a little shop of horrors.

 

[FIVR]

Congratulations, you're retarded. Read what you wrote again, and if it sounds logical, reasonable, or remotely realistic to you, seek professional help.

What is so hard to understand about growing up in the US and coming to realize that we (americans) are "the bad guys"?


I can easily imagine a young german growing up in Germany in the 30s only to find himself surrounded by Nazis as an adult in the 40s.


In this analogy, you (and the rest of america) are good Nazis who support the fuhrer and the Fatherland, while I am the traitor.

 

[RayCathode]

What is so hard to understand about growing up in the US and coming to realize that we (americans) are "the bad guys"?

In this analogy, you (and the rest of america) are good Nazis who support the fuhrer and the Fatherland, while I am the traitor.

Hey man, I can totally relate. It so frustrating when no one understands you. It's even worse when you can see something SO OBVIOUS that others must be willfully ignorant not to see it too.

Don't get too stressed out though. You should take a holiday. I hear Cambodia is nice this time of year.

 

[Mai72]

IMO, it's time for WAR!

 

[Victorian Gray]

IMO, it's time for WAR!

Yeah! WAR! Cool.

 

[pmv]

Hey man, I can totally relate. It so frustrating when no one understands you. It's even worse when you can see something SO OBVIOUS that others must be willfully ignorant not to see it too.

Don't get too stressed out though. You should take a holiday. I hear Cambodia is nice this time of year.

I suppose that's one way to remind yourself of the times the US backed the baddies, what with both the secret bombing and destabilising of that country, and the later backing of the Khmer Rouge. But I would have thought that would _increase_ stress, if it's the US doing wrong that is the problem.

Maybe go for a ride in a police truck, instead? (We're doing Dead Kennedys references, right?)

 

[pmv]

Look objectively at what America has done.

It toppled a SECULAR autocracy in Iraq. In a poll which I shared in another thread, over 90% of its population support Sharia law. America appears to have replaced secular autocracy with theocracy:


It toppled a secular autocracy in Libya (which at the time was one of the richest nations on the African continent). They now have a failed state, open market slave trading and an imploded gdp. The chances are high that they will eventually end up with a theocratic autocracy unless America meddles again and prevents any party from winning.

America is currently is in the process of attempting to topple a secular autocracy in Syria with.... what?

From my POV, it seems that the American government is intent on getting theocracies installed in every country in the Middle East. With regards to the Middle East, American policy is nearly incoherent. What exactly are we trying to achieve?

The basic problem is that Assad is a torturer and a butcher, but the track record of western intervention to 'save' non-Westerners and bring them 'freedom' is absolutely dismal. And it goes back way beyond the Iraq war and Libya, even the building of the British Empire was partly justified with constant excuses about bringing civilisation to the backward and saving various ethnic minority groups. Making the world safe for free trade, that's another frequent historical pretext that rarely turned out as described.

This time round I really don't see what the plan is, or what domestic interests are driving different policies (which often seem to run at cross purposes).

 

[FIVR]

you can be poor and have a good life

I found you a better source that backs up the other article I showed you. I understand why you saw that one as less than reputable, but I hope you find DerSpeigel (one of the most famous german newspapers) as an adequate source.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...ut-the-russian-deaths-in-syria-a-1196074.html

 

[pmv]

http://www.spiegel.de/international...ut-the-russian-deaths-in-syria-a-1196074.html[/QUOTE]

Heh, I found that source but gave up trying to read it because the site wouldn't stop complaining about my ad-blocker, even when I switched it off!

I also found other sources that seemed to give credible evidence for the casualty numbers being in the hundreds, so it's all as clear as mud to me. Not entirely sure why the precise numbers are important to the general argument, though.

 

[FIVR]

http://www.spiegel.de/international...ut-the-russian-deaths-in-syria-a-1196074.html
Heh, I found that source but gave up trying to read it because the site wouldn't stop complaining about my ad-blocker, even when I switched it off!

I also found other sources that seemed to give credible evidence for the casualty numbers being in the hundreds, so it's all as clear as mud to me. Not entirely sure why the precise numbers are important to the general argument, though.

It's a very long article. I can understand why they want to get some kind of revenue for the extensive investigative effort (including actual reporters on the ground in Syria) they expended.


The "credible sources" in your competing articles are not sources on the ground. They are twitter activists and refugees in foreign countries.

Pretty comical that an ad blocker stops you from finding accurate information outside of your bubble.

 

[pmv]

It's a very long article. I can understand why they want to get some kind of revenue for the extensive investigative effort (including actual reporters on the ground in Syria) they expended.


The "credible sources" in your competing articles are not sources on the ground. They are twitter activists and refugees in foreign countries.

Pretty comical that an ad blocker stops you from finding accurate information outside of your bubble.

Nah, the ad-blocker didn't stop me, Speigel's own strange policy on not letting me read the article _even when the ad-blocker was turned off_ stopped me. I have no fixed opinion about this event, hence looking for articles like that one. And do stick your 'bubble' blather where the sun don't shine. You have no idea. You appear to me to be a slightly inconsistent contrarian, so far, but who knows?

The source in the other article was one of the Russians involved, who claimed they'd lost 200+ guys. Whether that claim, apparently made in the confusion of battle, was accurate or not, I have no way of knowing. But again, I don't quite see why it matters as far as the principles go.

 

[FIVR]

Nah, the ad-blocker didn't stop me, Speigel's own strange policy on not letting me read the article _even when the ad-blocker was turned off_ stopped me. I have no fixed opinion about this event, hence looking for articles like that one. And do stick your 'bubble' blather where the sun don't shine. You have no idea. You appear to me to be a slightly inconsistent contrarian, so far, but who knows?

The source in the other article was one of the Russians involved, who claimed they'd lost 200+ guys. Whether that claim, apparently made in the confusion of battle, was accurate or not, I have no way of knowing. But again, I don't quite see why it matters as far as the principles go.

If you can't see the difference between a newspaper that sent reporters to Syria and brought back video and testimonial evidence and another which asked some Russian who claims to be from the same group as these PMCs then I don't know what to tell you. You need to learn something about journalistic integrity and what that concept consists of...