RX 480 8GB or 1060 6GB?

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lehtv

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I am sorry if it bothers you so much that if AMD doesn't win DX12 its not a right DX12 title.
You claimed it's a myth that RX 480 has more potential to evolve in DX12 titles. I'm simply interested in how you came to that conclusion. I'm not interested in examples of games where that potential is not used to full effect, since those titles have no bearing on whether it's a myth or not.
 

Carfax83

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Is Halo Wars 2 a particularly good example of a game that uses the "full potential" of DX12? Like Async compute?

Asynchronous compute is nice, but it's hardly representative of the "potential" of DX12. In fact, it's not even a DX12 standard. The largest performance enhancement for DX12 by far is the more efficient CPU multithreading and lower driver overhead, and if we go by that, then Halo Wars 2 is looking like it's fully exploiting DX12:



On the GPU side, SM6.0 will probably be the biggest performance increase, but Microsoft hasn't released that yet.
 

RussianSensation

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RX 480 hands down -- and it's good to see that on our technical forum the voting reflects this. I wouldn't go for the Sapphire card as its premium isn't worth it. I'd grab the MSI Armor card for $210.

Even better deal here:
https://slickdeals.net/f/9693964-ms...hback-promo?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo1

AIB RX 480 trails AIB 1060 6GB by only 5% at Computerbase but GTX1060 6GB costs $240. You are paying 14% more for 5% more performance. How many years will it take to save on electricity to offset the $30-40 premium for the 1060 6GB over the RX 480 8GB? Not worth it whatsoever.

Also, depending on the games chosen, RX 480 can actually beat out GTX1060, making it even worse given the 14% price premium on the 1060. Just set aside $30 towards a future GPU upgrade.

Joker Productions has AIB RX 480 beating out AIB GTX1060 6GB.

Hardware Unboxed has AIB RX 480 trailing AIB GTX1060 6GB by only 1% at 1080p and 1440p. The crazy part is Quantum Break's Steam version was tested which we know runs slower on AMD cards compared to the MS store version where the opposite is true -- NV cards perform horribly in that version of the game. Therefore, this game's inclusion leads to inconclusive results. Remove that game entirely and GTX1060 6GB would lose overall since HW unboxed gave 25% boost for 1060 for that game alone!

Hardware Canucks has RX 480 beating GTX1060 6GB.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEw3CaNSbUo

Here is Techno-Kitchen's 13 game round-up between RX 480 OC vs. 1060 OC. 1060 OC can't win convincingly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMM5UFFSrSk&t=538s

AMD drivers continue to show huge strength as NV is getting pummeled in almost all DX12 games and especially in the latest titles released in the last 6 months like RE7. RX 480 8GB is easily beating the GTX1060 6GB in RE7 despite NV releasing 3 different drivers to get performance up to par:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZnqylCw9ng

The fact that GTX1060 6GB cannot pull wins in major games released in the last 6 months, but it costs more $ means it already lost. You are paying extra for the NV brand name.

 

Carfax83

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RX 480 hands down -- and it's good to see that on our technical forum the voting reflects this. I wouldn't go for the Sapphire card as its premium isn't worth it. I'd grab the MSI Armor card for $210.

Even better deal here:
https://slickdeals.net/f/9693964-ms...hback-promo?src=SiteSearchV2_SearchBarV2Algo1

AIB RX 480 trails AIB 1060 6GB by only 5% at Computerbase but GTX1060 6GB costs $240. You are paying 14% more for 5% more performance. How many years will it take to save on electricity to offset the $30-40 premium for the 1060 6GB over the RX 480 8GB? Not worth it whatsoever.

It's humorous to see how you hype the RX 480 when it wins, but downplay the GTX 1060 when it does

Joker Productions has AIB RX 480 beating out AIB GTX1060 6GB.

Um, no. Joker actually had an AIB RX 480 vs a REFERENCE GTX 1060. He downclocked the AIB RX 480, or so he says. We have no way of verifying whether he did or not, as he didn't display any clock speeds. Either way, this was a terrible review and should be discounted for being unreliable.

Hardware Canucks has RX 480 beating GTX1060 6GB
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The GTX 1060 beats the RX480 in DX11 by 2% at 1080p, and loses by 6% in DX12 and Vulkan at 1080p. However, the selection of DX12 titles are biased towards AMD. Bias is something that needs to be taken into account, because the majority of DX12 titles aren't properly optimized for NVidia.

Here is Techno-Kitchen's 13 game round-up between RX 480 OC vs. 1060 OC. 1060 OC can't win convincingly:

OK, I watched this very painful video with the craptastic techno music, and this was my take:

NVidia wins:

1) Rise of the Tomb Raider
2) GTA V
3) Gears 4
4) AC Syndicate
5) Dying Light
6) Mirrors Edge

AMD wins:

1) BF4
2) Hitman
3) Doom
4) Deus Ex MD

Draw:

1) The Witcher 3 Blood and Wine

Too close to call:

1) Mafia 3

2) Forza H3

If anyone wants to disagree with that, go ahead.

AMD drivers continue to show huge strength as NV is getting pummeled in almost all DX12 games and especially in the latest titles released in the last 6 months like RE7. RX 480 8GB is easily beating the GTX1060 6GB in RE7 despite NV releasing 3 different drivers to get performance up to par:

NVidia isn't getting pummeled in almost all DX12 games, so I don't know where you got that remark from. As for RE7, like most games released today, it's inherently biased towards GCN due to the consoles, so NVidia has to overcome that limitation through the drivers. And as I've said before, it usually takes about 3 months before we see the final performance on any game because there will be patches and updates that will impact performance significantly.

The fact that GTX1060 6GB cannot pull wins in major games released in the last 6 months, but it costs more $ means it already lost. You are paying extra for the NV brand name.

I don't think anyone really cares about reference clocked benchmarks, but whatever..
 

tential

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That's a completely unfair vote RS. You're talking about a full card vs a mini 1060 vote...

Don't skew the facts.
 

AtenRa

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Asynchronous compute is nice, but it's hardly representative of the "potential" of DX12. In fact, it's not even a DX12 standard. The largest performance enhancement for DX12 by far is the more efficient CPU multithreading and lower driver overhead, and if we go by that, then Halo Wars 2 is looking like it's fully exploiting DX12:



This is BETA, there is not a single DX-12 game that Core i3 2100 is faster than FX8350.
I would wait for the game to officially release, new Drivers and a few patches and then draw any DX-12 conclusions.
 

Carfax83

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This is BETA, there is not a single DX-12 game that Core i3 2100 is faster than FX8350.
I would wait for the game to officially release, new Drivers and a few patches and then draw any DX-12 conclusions.

If I had to guess, the game is performing slower on AMD CPUs due to A.I and not rendering. DX12 won't improve A.I performance as that is mostly single threaded.
 

Carfax83

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Similar RTS game

Are you serious?

TWW is a PC only game with much higher unit counts. Also, the DX12 path for NVidia is unoptimized and is slower than the DX11 path.

Halo Wars 2 on the other hand is designed to run on the Xbox One as well, so the game has far fewer units as a consequence. I mean, just look at the framerates.
 

Bacon1

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Um, no. Joker actually had an AIB RX 480 vs a REFERENCE GTX 1060. He downclocked the AIB RX 480, or so he says. We have no way of verifying whether he did or not, as he didn't display any clock speeds. Either way, this was a terrible review and should be discounted for being unreliable.

What? No reviewers show their clocks yet I don't see you discounting any of them. He upped the power limit which would have helped Nvidia more than AMD since it will auto clock itself much higher than AMD would. If anything the settings he used helped Nvidia not AMD.
 

Bacon1

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TWW is a PC only game with much higher unit counts. Also, the DX12 path for NVidia is unoptimized and is slower than the DX11 path.

Yet you are quoting a Beta title as being true 12 and should be valued yet:

And as I've said before, it usually takes about 3 months before we see the final performance on any game because there will be patches and updates that will impact performance significantly.

So which is it? Games months after launch or beta games are better indicators?
 
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SlickR12345

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Guys I've already chosen. The price difference in my country between the two is about 10 euros, not a big deal. This is also one of the cheapest 1060's, there is much more expensive asus strix, but that is super long and won't fit in my mobo and case, not to mention overly expensive.
I'm not in the USA, so any price points relevant there are completely worthless here.

Ultimately newer games still advantage the 1060 over the 480, most newer games Nvidia is winning, albeit with lesser degree. DX12 seems to improve things for 480 in some games like BF1, but in others in real world testing, not fake internal benches 480 ALSO loses performance under the DX12 API, and it also runs worse in terms of lower minimums and increased frame times.

Older games that I want to visit like Black Flag, BF4, GTA 5, Elder Scrolls, Crysis 3, etc... all show significantly better framerates for the 1060.

Ultimately it comes down if I believe the Polaris architecture is going to be so much more powerful to take full advantage of DX12 and handedly beat Nvidia over the next year or will we see DX12 titles like Forza 3, AOTS, GOA, etc... where its neck and neck. And the answer is no! From the Division DX12 bench, Deus EX bench, Total War bench, these are all fake benches that show AMD winning, but in terms of actual gameplay its a whitewash where DX12 performs slower than DX11 even on AMD cards.

Also I do believe we are going to see DX11 modes for games for at least the next 2 years, at that point I'm probably going to upgrade if I feel the need.
 

Carfax83

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What? No reviewers show their clocks yet I don't see you discounting any of them. He upped the power limit which would have helped Nvidia more than AMD since it will auto clock itself much higher than AMD would. If anything the settings he used helped Nvidia not AMD.

No reviewers show their clocks? Are you serious? Most YouTube reviewers have been showing their clock speeds for quite some time, and even the big hardware review sites like HardOCP, TechPowerUp and HardwareCanucks just to name a few.

Yet you are quoting a Beta title as being true 12 and should be valued yet:

So which is it? Games months after launch or beta games are better indicators?

Of course a beta shouldn't be seen as final performance, and nowhere did I state such. But we are discussing it nonetheless, and I was postulating as to why the AMD CPUs had lower performance.
 
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Carfax83

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Guys I've already chosen. The price difference in my country between the two is about 10 euros, not a big deal. This is also one of the cheapest 1060's, there is much more expensive asus strix, but that is super long and won't fit in my mobo and case, not to mention overly expensive. I'm not in the USA, so any price points relevant there are completely worthless here.

You did a good job man! Both cards are more or less equal depending on what title you're playing, but the GTX 1060 has the advantage of being an excellent overclocker that has an extremely small increase in wattage from overclocking, whereas the RX 480 uses a significant amount of extra wattage when overclocked.
 

Bacon1

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No reviewers show their clocks? Are you serious? Most YouTube reviewers have been showing their clock speeds for quite some time, and even the big hardware review sites like HardOCP, TechPowerUp and HardwareCanucks just to name a few.

They don't do clocks over time for most tests, only in the initial review of a card for a single game. Most of the youtube reviewers end up using the same machine to capture video as they are benchmarking so if you see recorded results of the run its often being impacted by the recording software (Shadowplay, Relive, obs etc).

What I meant was the reviewers will show what the default clocks of the card were, but not what they actually ran at during the test and over time. There are a handful of sites that will up the power limit which lets Nvidia cards boost higher while does nothing for AMD as they just hit their top clock and stay there. They don't have a "boost" to take advantage of the higher power limit.
 
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Guys I've already chosen. The price difference in my country between the two is about 10 euros, not a big deal. This is also one of the cheapest 1060's, there is much more expensive asus strix, but that is super long and won't fit in my mobo and case, not to mention overly expensive.
I'm not in the USA, so any price points relevant there are completely worthless here.

Ultimately newer games still advantage the 1060 over the 480, most newer games Nvidia is winning, albeit with lesser degree. DX12 seems to improve things for 480 in some games like BF1, but in others in real world testing, not fake internal benches 480 ALSO loses performance under the DX12 API, and it also runs worse in terms of lower minimums and increased frame times.

Older games that I want to visit like Black Flag, BF4, GTA 5, Elder Scrolls, Crysis 3, etc... all show significantly better framerates for the 1060.

Ultimately it comes down if I believe the Polaris architecture is going to be so much more powerful to take full advantage of DX12 and handedly beat Nvidia over the next year or will we see DX12 titles like Forza 3, AOTS, GOA, etc... where its neck and neck. And the answer is no! From the Division DX12 bench, Deus EX bench, Total War bench, these are all fake benches that show AMD winning, but in terms of actual gameplay its a whitewash where DX12 performs slower than DX11 even on AMD cards.

Also I do believe we are going to see DX11 modes for games for at least the next 2 years, at that point I'm probably going to upgrade if I feel the need.

Congratulations, enjoy your new card. 1060 is a heck of a nice GPU.
 
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tential

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i dont think you have to explain yourself^^
This is a discussion forum, and the OP has rocked in actually responding rather than just letting a debate go on for 50 pages that goes crazy and doesn't focus on the subject at all.

Great for the OP for say what he got and why, I'm sure many of us will now debate the OPs choice given the scenario he presented. From the responses in the thread, it seems OP did most of his own research so it will actually be even more interesting to see people debate in retrospect.
 

Headfoot

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Ultimately it comes down if I believe the Polaris architecture is going to be so much more powerful to take full advantage of DX12 and handedly beat Nvidia over the next year or will we see DX12 titles like Forza 3, AOTS, GOA, etc... where its neck and neck. And the answer is no! From the Division DX12 bench, Deus EX bench, Total War bench, these are all fake benches that show AMD winning,

So you define any DX12 game where AMD wins as a "fake bench" then conclude that AMD has no DX12 advantage. Seems legit.
 
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SlickR12345

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So you define any DX12 game where AMD wins as a "fake bench" then conclude that AMD has no DX12 advantage. Seems legit.
Fake bench is internal benchmarks that show advantageous gains under DX12, while in actual gameplay performance is reduced under DX12. I mean that is the definition of fake benches.

Anyways I'm very pleased with the 1060 so far, though as expected my CPU is slightly bottlenecking me, but nothing major.
 
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poofyhairguy

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This is a discussion forum, and the OP has rocked in actually responding rather than just letting a debate go on for 50 pages that goes crazy and doesn't focus on the subject at all.

Great for the OP for say what he got and why, I'm sure many of us will now debate the OPs choice given the scenario he presented. From the responses in the thread, it seems OP did most of his own research so it will actually be even more interesting to see people debate in retrospect.

I honestly think the 480 8GB vs the 1060 6GB is one of the few times you just can't go wrong either way.

The value battles are 480 4GB vs 1060 3GB (480 seems like obvious winner) or 4GB 1050 ti vs 4GB 470 (470 biggest winner here we have seen in GPUs in a while).
 

Headfoot

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Fake bench is internal benchmarks that show advantageous gains under DX12, while in actual gameplay performance is reduced under DX12. I mean that is the definition of fake benches.

Anyways I'm very pleased with the 1060 so far, though as expected my CPU is slightly bottlenecking me, but nothing major.
Okay yeah, that makes a lot more sense
 
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