RX 480 or GTX 1060 Mini 3GB

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Bacon1

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I also dont agree with the posters who claim a 200.00 card should last several years, while a much more expensive card will be replaced more often. Personally I view it as just the opposite. If I bought a 400.00 1070 or 600.00 1080, I certainly would expect it to last longer than a 200.00 1060 3gb model.

Thats not how people budget though.

Look at this forum, those who buy the expensive cards do so yearly or whenever a new one is released (heck we have people upgrading from 1080 to titans).

Those who buy the budget cards keep them for years because they don't have the money to spend to upgrade often, or even "at all" (why they are buying the cheaper card in the first place).
 
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How can people say that 4GB is limiting because 3GB is with a straight face? There is 25% difference in total memory capacity between 3GB and 4GB.

Are you going to say that the 2GB 460 is an amazing buy? It's only 1GB less than 3GB after all.

Last generations mid-top end cards all had at least 4GB of ram.

970, 980, 980 ti, 290, 390, Fury. There is no reason to buy a card with less than 4GB these days, it's better to buy an older card over the 3GB one.

Developers are going to use 4GB as their point of reference when designing their "high" end textures and effects cut off area. "Ultra" ish ones might end up using more, but we've yet to see any noticeable effects for those.

Just amazing to see the same people that said Fury was limited by 4GB at release but the 3GB 1060 is going to be totally fine for the next few years.
And how can you say "with a straight face" that it wont be? The 4gb 480 actually performs worse in Mirror's Edge (the poster boy game for those who want to bash 3gb vram) than the 3gb 1060, while the 6gb 1060 performs much better than either.
 

Bacon1

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And how can you say "with a straight face" that it wont be? The 4gb 480 actually performs worse in Mirror's Edge (the poster boy game for those who want to bash 3gb vram) than the 3gb 1060, while the 6gb 1060 performs much better than either.

All AMD cards tank heavily on hyper, even the 8GB 390x. So its not a VRAM issue in itself but something else with how the effects are done.

And again, 3GB -> 4GB is 25% more VRAM available. How can you say effects will usage go from under 3GB -> over 4GB completely skipping anything in the 3GB range?

Do you recommend 2GB cards? After all its only 1GB less than 3GB which you do recommend.
 

justin4pack

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I never *ever* said 3gb vram is optimal. What I said was that if one totally disqualifies a card from purchase because it only has 3gb vram, a 4gb card then has to be consider marginal as well. All I am saying is that *based on the data we have*, the 3gb card performs fine. Everything else is conjecture. I just dont think all the absolute negative statements are justified, such as posters saying it is "trash" or a "non-starter", or implying anyone who recommends the card is either biased or technically inept. It is cheaper than the 6gb model, a fact which the bashers dont seem to mention, so one must accept additional compromises, although actually, at 25% less expensive than the 6gb model, it offers better performance per dollar in current games than the 6gb model (~25% more expensive, but <10% better performance). And even if it falls behind in future games relative to the 6gb model by an additional 15 to 20%, it still will be competitive based on a price/performance ratio.

This is what I was saying more or less. I was in a tight budget and based off of benchmarks, It made sense to buy the 1060 3gb. I will be upgradin again in the next 6 months so I'm not buying,for the long term. I just couldn't understand why all the imediate hate based off of 3gb.


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Keysplayr

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This is what I was saying more or less. I was in a tight budget and based off of benchmarks, It made sense to buy the 1060 3gb. I will be upgradin again in the next 6 months so I'm not buying,for the long term. I just couldn't understand why all the imediate hate based off of 3gb.

Because it's the only "perceived" selling point of the RX480 4GB. So, it needs to be capitalized on. You see the benchmarks. You know.


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This is what I was saying more or less. I was in a tight budget and based off of benchmarks, It made sense to buy the 1060 3gb. I will be upgradin again in the next 6 months so I'm not buying,for the long term. I just couldn't understand why all the imediate hate based off of 3gb.


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You made a good choice, enjoy your card.
 

ocre

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This is what I was saying more or less. I was in a tight budget and based off of benchmarks, It made sense to buy the 1060 3gb. I will be upgradin again in the next 6 months so I'm not buying,for the long term. I just couldn't understand why all the imediate hate based off of 3gb.


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It can seem extreme around here (the hating on this or that).
But you know (if not I am letting you know), this forum is amd leaning. Not criticizing anyone, just saying that I believe that a majority of the vocal posters favor AMD. There was a poll a while back that supports this, but to keep from an argument..its my opinion based observation.

I think the majority here will suggest polaris over the 1060 in any flavor. The thing that bothers me is that the viciousness continued after the op was settled...It just seems rude.

Look, there is always haters when it comes to nvidia and amd. And people can and will go at it endlessly. But there is one thing I can bet you that will be hard for anyone to deny...if you are dumping the card in a few months, nvidia cards have held their value and tend to sell for much higher in used markets. The whole aging argument...they never bring up this fact.
I know many people who buy nvidia cards, use them for months/yr and then sell them on ebay and get a large portion of their money back.

I would feel that no matter what anyone says here, the used market is much juicer for nvidia card owners. So, if you was gonna dump it down the road...nvidia I would consider.

Evga step up plan lets you step up if u choose to. You got 3 months...if you really are planning on a.stop gap.

I would say that though, there is a good chance the 3gb 1060 will probably work out fine for you. There is a lot of data showing it to not only be viable but decent even. Like real data without the hate. Of course there are better cards, but they cost more. Some say that the 3gb, no way...just save up for the 6gb. I would actually say something different, like why that?' If you have enough for the 25% higher 6gb 1060, save up and get the 1070..its a real nice jump in performance. The 3gb 1060 to the 6gb is negligible performance and nothing like the jump from a 1060 to 1070.

There exist tons of data right now, the 1060 probably would serve you as well as you expect. I think the fear mongering is extreme, these are mid ranged cards mind you.
enjoy your card.
 
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Madpacket

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3GB should be fine, ignore the haters. If you run into issues down the road just scale back a few settings that won't visually impact the game in any significant manner but saves on VRAM. People always want the most VRAM possible but 3GB should be plenty for a card like the 1060 for the foreseeable future.

Now given the choice I would pick a 4GB 480 over a 3GB 1060 because of Vulcan/DX12, hardware async and Freesync which all add up making the 480 a smarter purchase but the 3GB isn't a huge factor for the 1060. Just like the 950/960, the cards with 2GB of RAM - everyone crapped on them but they've held up fine for the most part. It's only when you really push those cards beyond their filtrate capabilities where they start to fall over.

Having less VRAM just means you need to be aware of it and simply not pick the highest available settings for every game. If you're smart about what you select you can get away with it for a while.
 

Azix

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It can seem extreme around here (the hating on this or that).
But you know (if not I am letting you know), this forum is amd leaning. Not criticizing anyone, just saying that I believe that a majority of the vocal posters favor AMD. There was a poll a while back that supports this, but to keep from an argument..its my opinion based observation.

I think the majority here will suggest polaris over the 1060 in any flavor. The thing that bothers me is that the viciousness continued after the op was settled...It just seems rude.

Look, there is always haters when it comes to nvidia and amd. And people can and will go at it endlessly. But there is one thing I can bet you that will be hard for anyone to deny...if you are dumping the card in a few months, nvidia cards have held their value and tend to sell for much higher in used markets. The whole aging argument...they never bring up this fact.
I know many people who buy nvidia cards, use them for months/yr and then sell them on ebay and get a large portion of their money back.

I would feel that no matter what anyone says here, the used market is much juicer for nvidia card owners. So, if you was gonna dump it down the road...nvidia I would consider.

Evga step up plan lets you step up if u choose to. You got 3 months...if you really are planning on a.stop gap.

I would say that though, there is a good chance the 3gb 1060 will probably work out fine for you. There is a lot of data showing it to not only be viable but decent even. Like real data without the hate. Of course there are better cards, but they cost more. Some say that the 3gb, no way...just save up for the 6gb. I would actually say something different, like why that?' If you have enough for the 25% higher 6gb 1060, save up and get the 1070..its a real nice jump in performance. The 3gb 1060 to the 6gb is negligible performance and nothing like the jump from a 1060 to 1070.

There exist tons of data right now, the 1060 probably would serve you as well as you expect. I think the fear mongering is extreme, these are mid ranged cards mind you.
enjoy your card.

what viciousness? can you give an example? To recommend 3GB in 2016 is bad. simple. If all he intends to do is play battlefield 1 for 6 months, and/or is willing to turn down settings to fit the 3GB, its neither here nor there. Whichever card he bought would be fine for that.

Problem is that, by asking, he made it seem like something requiring more consideration than that.

ideally he should wait to see what the final game plays like. Would be kinda lame if it ends up faster on the 480. But it now sounds like this would not matter.
 

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So, I'm a mGPU user with 2-3 GPU's, that are 3 years old at 3GB (I haven't yet decided which comp should take the odd GPU or throw them all in one system).

Currently, I can run most AAA games at stock at max settings 1080p at an average frame rate of about 100-120 FPS (with 2 cards!), and if not I'll just run my overclock profiles to hit those targets. Given your choices, I would have personally bought the 480, but that's because I keep my hardware for a long time. For me, I'm super impressed that my old cards can still push the way they do, especially with DX12 and Vulkan. An additional point towards the 480 is that it's 4GB. The fact that I can run ROTR on dx12 and run 100+ frames on ultra but not the textures because I'm VRAM limited is very frustrating.

In your current position, I would personally have waited to get the 6GB card if it was a budget constraint, as I now know what VRAM limitations feel like.

I'm awaiting AMD's top end release before I make a decision to upgrade, but as it stands, I'm super impressed with AMD's longevity.
 

Azix

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that's what I would want to avoid. Textures aren't so bad on performance but it would suck not to be able to set them higher just because of vram. If I couldn't use ultra textures in r6 with my 4GB fury I wouldn't be happy. Its not a concession people need to be making this late in the game. 2 years ago, sure.
 

Headfoot

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Yeah I'd make use of any step up period you may have before it runs out and go to the 6GB version
 

sm625

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Keep in mind that if you game for 5 hours a day you will save $40 in electricity over the course of 2 years just by picking the 1060.
 

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Keep in mind that if you game for 5 hours a day you will save $40 in electricity over the course of 2 years just by picking the 1060.
Who plays 5 hours a day everyday over the course of 2 years? That's a painful way to justify your choice.
That's also a bad advice by the way... and I thought I had seen everything

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zinfamous

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Keep in mind that if you game for 5 hours a day you will save $40 in electricity over the course of 2 years just by picking the 1060.

And in the real world where real humans live and spend real hours in front of their computers, they spend a difference of roughly $1-$4 per year on GPU-specific power costs.
 

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Anything under 4 GB is a scandal and honestly even 6 GB is the limit. I'm assuming you'll want to keep the GPU for at least 2 years. As for 1050, it is likely going to come in two versions, one 2 GB and one 4 GB.

I'd honestly say it's best to pick between 1060 6GB and the 480 8GB. AMD does better in DX12, NV better in DX11. Decide for yourself which is more important to you.
 
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Don't get any card with 3gb or less, unless its literally entry level card for $$80 to $130, then even 2GB is fine, since the gpu will almost always hit the limitation first.

But when we are talking about $200+ cards then 3GB is less is trash. I have a 290 4GB and in EVERY game since 2014 it uses the full 4GB ram. At best few games have consumes around the 2800-3000 mark, but most games since 2014 till today use full 4GB. I actually regretted getting the 4gb over 8gb literally just 4-5 months into my purchase.
 

sm625

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Who plays 5 hours a day everyday over the course of 2 years? That's a painful way to justify your choice.
That's also a bad advice by the way... and I thought I had seen everything

I am merely stating a fact. If you think stating plain and simple facts is bad advice then you're going about things the wrong way. It is important to be able to separate raw facts from conjecture. It is a fact that you will save $40 over the course of two years by using a GTX 1060 in place of a RX480. What is not a fact is the following statement: you need 6GB, 3GB is not enough. That is conjecture. The facts as of today clearly show that you get more value per dollar with the 3GB card. This could change in a year, could change in two. But it is not a statement of fact.
 

zinfamous

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I am merely stating a fact. If you think stating plain and simple facts is bad advice then you're going about things the wrong way. It is important to be able to separate raw facts from conjecture. It is a fact that you will save $40 over the course of two years by using a GTX 1060 in place of a RX480. What is not a fact is the following statement: you need 6GB, 3GB is not enough. That is conjecture. The facts as of today clearly show that you get more value per dollar with the 3GB card. This could change in a year, could change in two. But it is not a statement of fact.

The first claim of yours is even less of a fact than the claim that you call conjecture.

The cost of a GPU, strictly on power, is wholly determined by price of kwh for each individual user, which is highly variable. Yes, the 1060 sips less power in comparison, so with all else being equal for the user on a direct comparison, the 1060 will save money. But it isn't this nonsensical $20/year that you are claiming. It is more like $1-3 per year, strictly from power costs, for the vast majority of users. THE ONLY people that are pushing measurable power costs through GPUs are the users that are primarily mining cryptocurrency, and they are primarily using AMD cards to do it. Why? Because it is simply more efficient in compute, despite the differences in power consumption.

The fact here is that you are creating a nonsensical argument: gamers gaming an average of 5 hours/day for an entire year, expecting certain power costs on their bill, and how 1060 is better for these people for this reason. The actual fact is those users that are pushing those kind of hours are doing it for another purpose, and they are actually making more money doing it than if they were using a 1060 instead of a 480.

Until you come back with data on gamers' hours/year and some nice average costs of kwh across the country (and various other countries), your argument is pure FUD.

The actual data we have to argue that 3gb is not enough compared to 6gb is actual history (our very best predictor in this field--and our only real predictor in this field). That is simply a fact based on what we know of Developer habits over the last several years and generations of low-VRAM GPU offering getting thrashed by their contemporaries within a year's time, and the simple acceptance that AAA games going forward are designed for consoles first (The games that actually need gPU--so the only reason we hare having this discussion: those specific handful of games) with much higher dedicated VRAM allotments, then ported to PC. It is simply an indisputable reality that VRAM limitations will always be an issue. Always. Continuing down this path of denying a known reality is really just pathetic at this point. 4Gb will be too little, 6gb will be too little and yes: 8gb (pretty much what we should be aiming at right now for decent future proofing, imho) will be too little. FPS benchmarks simply do not tell the story that the low-VRAM argument is using. FPS benchmarks already compensate for the concession of lower quality settings, so the failure of this card is already baked into the numbers.

That is simply a fact. The crux of this entire charge against the woeful existence of a 3gb "1060" (again, this thing really isn't a 1060), is that it forces the buyer to make real-time concessions on quality in a world where the rest of its field will be leaving it in the dust within months' time, with no real significant cost difference. This is a card that you very well know will be wholly un-recommendedable (by anyone with any self-respect) in about 5 or 6 months time, and the 6gb 1060 and 4/8gb 480s will be the only cards in that class worth considering (and honestly, that is true of the situation today--only stubborn fanboys refuse to accept that their favorite silicon company can put out such a woefully ill-considered piece of hardware. Companies make mistakes, just accept it and move on.)
 

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I am merely stating a fact. If you think stating plain and simple facts is bad advice then you're going about things the wrong way. It is important to be able to separate raw facts from conjecture. It is a fact that you will save $40 over the course of two years by using a GTX 1060 in place of a RX480.

well, $29.55 taking the power consumption figures from anandtech's review, assuming the computer is on 24 hours a day, assuming that you game 5 hours a day, every day of the year, and assuming the average american electric rate of $0.1273 per kwh (ymmv of course, i pay quite a bit less than that) (as well as not using vsync or other framerate limiting things that can reduce power consumption).

but if you're that concerned about your electric bill you might want to turn your computer off at night and when you're at work (53%, or $15.66 over 2 years, of the increased electric consumption is the 7 watts more the RX480 system draws over the 1060 system). leaving the 1060 system on but not used for 17 hours a day will cost you $115.32 over that 2 years.
 
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antihelten

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The actual data we have to argue that 3gb is not enough compared to 6gb is actual history (our very best predictor in this field--and our only real predictor in this field). That is simply a fact based on what we know of Developer habits over the last several years and generations of low-VRAM GPU offering getting thrashed by their contemporaries within a year's time

For every low VRAM GPU that got thrashed by its contemporaries, you can probably find just as many that didn't (GTX 580 1.5GB vs. 6970 2GB for instance, same ratio as the 1060 3GB vs. 480 4GB. Plenty of similar examples with a factor 2 difference in VRAM also exist), so in this case the history doesn't really tells us anything. It may very well end up being an issue or it may not, but pretending to know for a fact how things will turn out as if you have a crystal ball is kind of silly.
 
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