Okay makes sense farther into production enough tweaks to the process and understanding of what to look for in the chips for binning. I thought maybe TR would drag down the average on Ryzen since it gets the really good chips. But lets call it 3.9. The rest still stands, so maybe we have chips we can comfortably OC to mid 4.5, hell I'll be really nice and say AMD and GF pulls off a miracle and we can get near 5GHz on OC's. That doesn't mean much if max 8 cores at 90w for retail is something like 4.2GHz. It will help but won't quell the "they screwed up and didn't catch up to Intel and Intel is going to have a 8core CFL chip and then there won't be any reason to get AMD crowd".
No but a 8core CFL will do two things. 1. It would probably clock higher than Ryzen and Ryzen 2. 2. Because it clocks better than Ryzen 1/2 it would be a better MT CPU. Which will force AMD to lower its price to continue to have value. Intel can also tell the OEM's to shove it and let it be a 100w-120w CPU. It will drive AMD's points to the OEM's but won't really help them till Zen 2 (Ryzen 3) hits.That is based on desktop ryzen after launch.
Yes people had problems with low end MB to reach those frequencies, but more than 50% of people could reach 3,9GHz. Yes we can call it 3.9GHz.
8 Core CFL wont do much better than 6Core not in those gaming tests. (well, AotS should show better numbers).
You do understand that Summit Ridge was fabbed with HD libs?
You do understand what will happen while switching to HP/UHP libs?
Because 14LPP itself has high-performance options.
12LP moreso.
No but a 8core CFL will do two things. 1. It would probably clock higher than Ryzen and Ryzen 2. 2. Because it clocks better than Ryzen 1/2 it would be a better MT CPU. Which will force AMD to lower its price to continue to have value. Intel can also tell the OEM's to shove it and let it be a 100w-120w CPU. It will drive AMD's points to the OEM's but won't really help them till Zen 2 (Ryzen 3) hits.
By now even the die hard Intel supporter agrees that 8C CFL does not exist. If such a product existed it would be on Intel's official roadmap.
https://wccftech.com/intel-roadmap-leak-cascade-lake-x-hedt-coffee-lake-s-b360-2018/
I really doubted it's existence when the rumors came up. It would mean that Intel was well into another die already for a consumer product. It's one thing getting KBL working on the X299 platform if extremely fractured. It wouldn't work the other way so we wouldn't see them trying to sell like SL-X HCC chip on a 115x socket. If Intel decided 2-3 years ago they needed an 8 core Zen competitor and started designing a 8c CFL, they would have just scrapped the 6c version.
Whom? AMD or Intel?
Well Intel is really screwed till they have EMIB working well and maybe a new from the ground up arch. They will feeling the pain in 19 even if they get 10nm up and running.Intel of course.
Coffee lake is dead end now. Intel is probably preparing something new for 2019.
The OP did not fake the slide, he/she found it on the internet. I found that same slide myself a couple months ago and dismissed it as a fake. However, it's worth mentioning that 5 GHz is perfectly viable for a next-gen Ryzen chip. Overclockers have hit that now with the 7900x. If AMD moves to a performance optimized node for their refresh, I can definitely see them pushing out a 5 ghz chip.
You misunderstood me. I wasn't accusing the OP of faking the slide. "If you're going to fake a slide like that" was meant as "if someone were to make the effort to fake a slide that way, then why...".
Returning to the topic, let's not be over-optimistic, let's assume we'll see a 4.4GHz max turbo (4.5 if we're lucky) and +200 MHz XFR for the top SKU @95W. Where would that put (the assumed) 2800X part compared to Coffee Lake?
I agree with this entirely, some of the expectations going around for pinnacle ridge are insane..no way we are going to see 5ghz even with overclock.That image is fake from my perspective.
There will be no 12C for desktop, reaching over 4.5GHz on all cores is just insane to think.
Here are my thoughts and predictions:
AMD said pinnacle ridge is still based on (slides) "summit ridge architecture", but they can still improve IPC by few percents. With 12nm LLP they could achieve 4.5-4.6GHz is possible on single core.
AMD clock speed:
1. Fmax ~ 15% @ ~4GHz ZEN 14nm = 4.6GHz, I would say that all core turbo might reach around 4GHz.
2. IPC even with very small architecture optimizations they can get some IPC improvements.
So even if they do that there is still a problem with Ryzen DDR4 latency for gaming. As we know when DDR4 came out with those speeds @ 2133MHz/2400MHz CL15 was pretty much bad against DDR3 which could hit exact frequencies with much superior latencies.
3. If improved Infinity fabric for lower latencies. DDR4 latency is main problem for gamers. With new node and optimization we can also hope for higher ddr speeds. Maybe with that IMC and design we can get over 60GB/s on dual channel.
.... yet again, AMD is quiet as they were before Ryzen launch. Nobody expected ZEN to be this good and this cheap.
8 Core CFL wont do much better than 6Core not in those gaming tests. (well, AotS should show better numbers).
By now even the die hard Intel supporter agrees that 8C CFL does not exist. If such a product existed it would be on Intel's official roadmap.
Intel of course.
Coffee lake is dead end now. Intel is probably preparing something new for 2019.
But 28 SHP was also a bulk node?Granted they also moved from the 28nm SHP or whatever was that node to a 28nm bulk node
But 28 SHP was also a bulk node?
The last SOI node was 32 FD-SOI afaik.
28SHP = 28A and 28HPA.According to The_Stilt, 28nm SHP was a custom high-performance node that was only ever used on Kaveri.
PD-SOI*.The last SOI node was 32 FD-SOI afaik.
Correct, fanboi fantasy... sounds exciting thoughIs this legit or just fanboy fantasy?
When something appears too good to be true, well, it usually is...