Ryzen 3 / Bristol Ridge AM4 owners thread

[Jan Olšan]

The GPU does support 60 Hz 4K output. But the motherboard would need to give you DisplayPort 1.2 output, which very few motehrboardss do, or HDMI 2.0. Which no motherboard does - except for one Biostar that uses a converter. Very weird, Carrizo was supposed to support HDMI 2.0.

It's disappointing that Intel boards get DP 1.2 quite often, for much crappier iGPU. The prices of Intel DP enabled mobos are lower generally, too. In any case, this is not a limitation of the APU but of the motherboards.

 

[VirtualLarry]

The GPU does support 60 Hz 4K output. But the motherboard would need to give you DisplayPort 1.2 output, which very few motehrboardss do, or HDMI 2.0. Which no motherboard does - except for one Biostar that uses a converter. Very weird, Carrizo was supposed to support HDMI 2.0.

It's disappointing that Intel boards get DP 1.2 quite often, for much crappier iGPU. The prices of Intel DP enabled mobos are lower generally, too. In any case, this is not a limitation of the APU but of the motherboards.

OK then, this doesn't make sense then. Should AM4 boards all have HDMI2.0 outputs? If the only APUs available for AM4 boards, both sport HDMI2.0 ports, then why wouldn't the mobo ports be HDMI2.0?

I mean, if Carrizo supports HDMI2.0, and surely, Raven Ridge will too, right (?), why would a mobo be designed not to support HDMI2.0?

Is there some way to tell what the mobo supports?

Edit: I installed the newest WHQL AMD drivers for the A8-9600 that the web site suggests. (Crimson 17.2.1?)

Display Advanced Properties only lets me go to "30Hz", monitor is "Generic PnP Monitor".

Edit: Is there maybe a BIOS setting toggle between HDMI1.4b and HDMI2.0?

 

[kwalkingcraze]

Does the $15 A6-5400K overclocked at 4.9GHz receive the same single-thread score as the Ryzen 3 1200? Trying to determine its actual number.

Looks like it's getting 1688 single-thread score if I set to 4.7GHz base and 4.9GHz turbo, but it requires 1.55V CPU voltage. The fan/heatsink came from FX-8320e retail box, and I didn't use the smaller-size A6-5400K original heatsink.

 

[SPBHM]

Does the $15 A6-5400K overclocked at 4.9GHz receive the same single-thread score as the Ryzen 3 1200? Trying to determine its actual number.

no way, 1200 boosts to 3.4GHz or so and has l3 cache;

5GHz 6800K vs stock 1200
http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/3597114?baseline=782693

in games it would look even better for the 1200.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well, temporarily back on one of my G4560 rigs for testing, using the Intel HD610 iGPU. It doesn't seem quite as nice in scrolling as the A8-9600, but other than that, in the CPU dept., it's a bit faster according to benchmarks. Like 20-30% faster, depending on whether you're looking at the ST or MT benchmarks. Suffice to say, though, even at 3.90Ghz, the G4560 overpowers the A8-9600 in the CPU dept.

Of course, my subjective perceptions might also be biased, because the A8-9600 rig has a 5400RPM 2.5" FireCuda, rather than a real SSD, like this box.

 

[whm1974]

Why in hell did you put in a 5400 RPM HDD in a desktop Larry? Notebooks I can see due to power and heat constrains, but a desktop?

At least use a 7200 RPM drive.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Why in hell did you put in a 5400 RPM HDD in a desktop Larry? Notebooks I can see due to power and heat constrains, but a desktop?

At least use a 7200 RPM drive.

*shrug*. This was a Hybrid drive, an SSHD. Seagate only makes 5400 ones, in 2.5" form-factor anymore.

I think that their 3.5" FireCuda drives might be 7200RPM, but they cost almost $80, the price of an entry-level 240GB SSD.

 

[whm1974]

*shrug*. This was a Hybrid drive, an SSHD. Seagate only makes 5400 ones, in 2.5" form-factor anymore.

I think that their 3.5" FireCuda drives might be 7200RPM, but they cost almost $80, the price of an entry-level 240GB SSD.

Still, the 5400 RPM speed of the HDD has to be slowing things down quite a bit. My laptop seems to really slow due to that. Well that will be fixed next month.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well, after using this G4560 w/SSD for a day, I'm ready to go back to the AM4 A8-9600 APU w/FireCuda 1TB 2.5" drive.

I thought that this thing would rip through updates, but I started the upgrade from Win10 1607, to 1703, last night, and after running the Update Tool from MS's web site, it downloaded it fairly quickly (Gigabit internet will do that, but it didn't hit over 300Mbit/sec for the connection speed, according to Task Manager), but then after it wanted me to reboot, it sat there at the screen saying "Getting Ready for Windows Updates", before it even put up the percentage amount, for what seemed like 30mins to an hour. It was unbearable. I just went to sleep, and when I woke the PC up in the morning, it was at the Win10 setup configuration screen for me.

I don't know that the A8-9600 w/FireCuda would have been any faster at the upgrade, probably not, but it just seems like it takes quite a long time. It would have been faster to just re-install from scratch, I think, using 1703 on a USB stick.

Anyways, I still prefer the AMD APU's iGPU to Intel G4560 HD610 iGPU, even just for web browsing. (Both systems running at 4K30, 4:4:4).

Edit: Oh, the A8-9600 is running at 3.90Ghz, thanks to "OC Genie" or whatever Asus calls their auto-OC tool in the UEFI. I enabled it, and then it rebooted once, and then when I was in Windows 10, I was at 3.90Ghz. Haven't detected any instability yet, but I haven't done any more 4K YouTube yet.

 

[Jan Olšan]

OK then, this doesn't make sense then. Should AM4 boards all have HDMI2.0 outputs? If the only APUs available for AM4 boards, both sport HDMI2.0 ports, then why wouldn't the mobo ports be HDMI2.0?

I mean, if Carrizo supports HDMI2.0, and surely, Raven Ridge will too, right (?), why would a mobo be designed not to support HDMI2.0?

Is there some way to tell what the mobo supports?

Edit: I installed the newest WHQL AMD drivers for the A8-9600 that the web site suggests. (Crimson 17.2.1?)

Display Advanced Properties only lets me go to "30Hz", monitor is "Generic PnP Monitor".

Edit: Is there maybe a BIOS setting toggle between HDMI1.4b and HDMI2.0?

The motherboard specifications list HDMI version, and except that one Biostar outflier, it is always just HDMI 1.4. Sadly.
Look for stuff like "Supports HDMI 1.4b with max. resolution 4096 x 2160 @ 24 Hz / 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz" in the specs, it says it doesn't allow 4K@60 over HDMI.
However, if the mobo has DP output, voilla: "1 x DisplayPort, supports a maximum resolution of 4096x2160@60Hz*"

I don't know why there's no HDMI 2.0 in the end - maybe it turned out it doesn't work over AM4, or maybe it needs extra chips and vendors are stingy? There probably is no way to switch it over to HDMI 2.0.

For this reason, you need a board with DisplayPort if you want to use 4K screen at 60 Hz. I don't know what board you exactly have, but DisplayPort is only featured on ROG line of Asus's mobos, and X370 Prime Pro or how it is called, also somewhat more expensive SKU. BTW, I think that if you have DP, you can do 4K@60 even on Kaveri/Govadari.

 

[whm1974]

After reading the few reviews I could find, I don't that the BR CPUs are really worth it since both the Ryzen 3 1200 and the Pentium 4560/4600 CPUs beats them soundly.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

For this reason, you need a board with DisplayPort if you want to use 4K screen at 60 Hz. I don't know what board you exactly have, but DisplayPort is only featured on ROG line of Asus's mobos, and X370 Prime Pro or how it is called, also somewhat more expensive SKU. BTW, I think that if you have DP, you can do 4K@60 even on Kaveri/Govadari.

There is this too:

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AB350M-D3H-rev-10#kf

A little more budget friendly.

 

[mohit9206]

Well, after using this G4560 w/SSD for a day, I'm ready to go back to the AM4 A8-9600 APU w/FireCuda 1TB 2.5" drive.

I thought that this thing would rip through updates, but I started the upgrade from Win10 1607, to 1703, last night, and after running the Update Tool from MS's web site, it downloaded it fairly quickly (Gigabit internet will do that, but it didn't hit over 300Mbit/sec for the connection speed, according to Task Manager), but then after it wanted me to reboot, it sat there at the screen saying "Getting Ready for Windows Updates", before it even put up the percentage amount, for what seemed like 30mins to an hour. It was unbearable. I just went to sleep, and when I woke the PC up in the morning, it was at the Win10 setup configuration screen for me.

I don't know that the A8-9600 w/FireCuda would have been any faster at the upgrade, probably not, but it just seems like it takes quite a long time. It would have been faster to just re-install from scratch, I think, using 1703 on a USB stick.

Anyways, I still prefer the AMD APU's iGPU to Intel G4560 HD610 iGPU, even just for web browsing. (Both systems running at 4K30, 4:4:4).

Edit: Oh, the A8-9600 is running at 3.90Ghz, thanks to "OC Genie" or whatever Asus calls their auto-OC tool in the UEFI. I enabled it, and then it rebooted once, and then when I was in Windows 10, I was at 3.90Ghz. Haven't detected any instability yet, but I haven't done any more 4K YouTube yet.

Is auto overclocking only a feature in Asus boards or do other mobo makers also provide this feature? And how reliable is this feature?

 

[Jan Olšan]

There is this too:

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AB350M-D3H-rev-10#kf

A little more budget friendly.

There is also MSI B350M Mortar, that one is the cheapest option IIRC. Larry said he haa some Asus, so I didn't mention the ones by other manufacturers.

 

[VirtualLarry]

What about Athlon X4 950? Forgotten by most people, it's an even cheaper solution than Ryzen 3 1200. Almost half the price too.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113456

I'm sure this baby can drop down to $49.99 shortly.

If that does drop down to a street price of $49.99 (everywhere, not just Microcenter), then I think that CPU could gain some traction in the marketplace. As it is now, it's in a tough spot vis-a-vis the G4560 and G4600.

But, at half the price of a G4560, well, a little over half, but at like 70% of the performance, it could be a winner, in certain limited areas.

Edit: I'm on my DeskMini, right now, and it has a G4600, dual-channel 16GB DDR4-2400, and a 128GB PCI-E M.2 SSD. It's noticeably faster than the A8-9600, but that might be because I'm running through the DisplayPort output, at 4K60, using an Active Club3D HDMI2.0 adapter, to my 4K UHD TV, whereas the previous two rigs, the G4560 I was using, and the A8-9600, were both stuck on 4K30, due to HDMI1.4a. (The Intel and AMD drivers have no provision for 4K60 over HDMI1.4 at reduced Chroma sub-sampling, like my NVidia GT730 does in my Ryzen 3 1200 OCed rig.)

 

[SirDinadan]

Whoa, any idea what's causing that? Reduced cache pool? Driver maturity?

Really don't know, my other A12 build ft ASUS A320M-C mobo has exactly the same problems in GTA V.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Ready to jump the gun on a Ryzen 1200 for $85. Upgrade down the road. Question do I get the 350 or 370 motherboard? Also 8GB of 3000mhz ram. Coolermaster 240mm liquid cooling, Phanteks p400 case non tempered glass. Seasonic 620w bronze power supply. AMD 7950 graphics from my parts bin. 240GB SSD and a 1TB Samsung F3 spinner.

This will be replacing a 4560 system in a NZXT case with 8GB of 2400mhz ram.

Thoughts?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Ready to jump the gun on a Ryzen 1200 for $85. Upgrade down the road. Question do I get the 350 or 370 motherboard? Also 8GB of 3000mhz ram. Coolermaster 240mm liquid cooling, Phanteks p400 case non tempered glass. Seasonic 620w bronze power supply. AMD 7950 graphics from my parts bin. 240GB SSD and a 1TB Samsung F3 spinner.

This will be replacing a 4560 system in a NZXT case with 8GB of 2400mhz ram.

Thoughts?

Seems like, kind of a side-grade, really. I mean, to be sure, the Ryzen 3 1200 IS speedier, when overclocked, compared to the G4560, but it's not THAT much faster, and same number of threads.

If you were going to go from a G4560, I would really, really, suggest going to AT LEAST a Ryzen 5 1600 or 1600X, for gaming purposes. And get 16GB of RAM.

As far as B350 or X370 goes: do you plan on getting and using two video cards? Get X370. Otherwise, get B350.

Or if you plan on more than that, or more than one M.2 PCI-E SSD, get ThreadRipper.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Seems like, kind of a side-grade, really. I mean, to be sure, the Ryzen 3 1200 IS speedier, when overclocked, compared to the G4560, but it's not THAT much faster, and same number of threads.

If you were going to go from a G4560, I would really, really, suggest going to AT LEAST a Ryzen 5 1600 or 1600X, for gaming purposes. And get 16GB of RAM.

As far as B350 or X370 goes: do you plan on getting and using two video cards? Get X370. Otherwise, get B350.

Or if you plan on more than that, or more than one M.2 PCI-E SSD, get ThreadRipper.

The 4560 goes to my mom. The Ryzen 1200 is for my brother. I was looking at the 1600 but he doesn't need that much horsepower. I was thinking zen 2 upgrade in a year from 1200. The 1200 is 4 cores vs. two cores on the 4560. Both have hyperthreading. I figure I will run it @ 3.9ghz.

 

[VirtualLarry]

The 4560 goes to my mom. The Ryzen 1200 is for my brother.

In that case, sounds like a plan!

 

[Hans Gruber]

I have a P400 tempered glass case, Coolermaaster 280mm water cooling. 850w Seasonic gold power supply sitting new in boxes waiting to see what the 8700K looks like October 5th.

 

[VirtualLarry]

The 1200 is 4 cores vs. two cores on the 4560. Both have hyperthreading. I figure I will run it @ 3.9ghz.

The 1200 and 1300X don't have SMT enabled. You would have to step up to the 1400 for that.

 

[1stezekiel]

ive built a system around a 1300x. came from an 8320 setup, that I had running at 4.2 ghz. I had the 8320 over clocked to 4.6 for a long time. worked great. I was able to clock my 1300x to 4.0 at 1.35v. I have a cooler master 120pro AIO tho. I backed it down to 3.8, at 1.275v now. in real life use, I notice absolutely no difference in speed. in gaming, however, the rendering is noticeably smoother. smoother game play experience that's for sure. I have an fx 4350, that I clocked to 4.9, and THAT was noticeably slower.

*guess I should update my sig, lol.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I figure I will have the 1200 @ 3.8-3.9ghz. There is no point in using voltage over 1.3v for a 100mhz.

 

[krumme]

ive built a system around a 1300x. came from an 8320 setup, that I had running at 4.2 ghz. I had the 8320 over clocked to 4.6 for a long time. worked great. I was able to clock my 1300x to 4.0 at 1.35v. I have a cooler master 120pro AIO tho. I backed it down to 3.8, at 1.275v now. in real life use, I notice absolutely no difference in speed. in gaming, however, the rendering is noticeably smoother. smoother game play experience that's for sure. I have an fx 4350, that I clocked to 4.9, and THAT was noticeably slower.

*guess I should update my sig, lol.

Nice oc to 4ggz. I wouldnt worry about 1.35 at all. And the 1.275 gives a crazy low power usage. A 1600x uses 1.375 stock afaik !