I am testing Callisto, Far Cry 6, and Gears 5 now. I'll install the 24H2 update when I am done and see what I get. I am testing 1080 low in gears and far cry 6. Callisto I tested a bunch of settings. I'll do max on both other games when low is finished. I'll have SS comparisons before and after to share. 5600X3D + RX 7800XT is the first testbed since I want to see if Zen 3 3D sees some boost. I am also on the insider build before 24H2 at the moment. I was getting an error on downloading the new ISO until I updated to it.I really wish there were more CPU's in HUB's test data. The video leaves me with more questions than answers. I'm interested to see how this affects not only Intel, but also Zen 3 and Zen 4 X3D. I'd also like to see some non gaming application data as well.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those are crocodile tears at their finest. Microsoft is only like the company with the biggest market value out there. They have only like around 221,000 employees as of 2023. Windows is still only like the dominating OS on consumer computers in the world (for those people not counting mobile phones as computers anyway). Poor poor Windows didn't get a big enough chunk of those internal employees scrutinizing the company's single most successful software product, and external people don't readily jump in doing that job for free for a commercial closed source product, boohoo.Windows doesn't have the luxury of being scrutinized by hundreds, if not thousands, of external people who care about some platform performance and stability.
I am testing Callisto, Far Cry 6, and Gears 5 now. I'll install the 24H2 update when I am done and see what I get. I am testing 1080 low in gears and far cry 6. Callisto I tested a bunch of settings. I'll do max on both other games when low is finished. I'll have SS comparisons before and after to share. 5600X3D + RX 7800XT is the first testbed since I want to see if Zen 3 3D sees some boost. I am also on the insider build before 24H2 at the moment. I was getting an error on downloading the new ISO until I updated to it.
I have seen other users say they can't replicate Steve's results, not even close. A couple say there was a boost but not as big. I wonder if fresh install, drivers, or some other factor are at play here too?
Can you also do a quick Geekbench 6 run before the update, so we can see any changes to the score and subtests that are most affected?I am testing Callisto, Far Cry 6, and Gears 5 now. I'll install the 24H2 update when I am done and see what I get. I am testing 1080 low in gears and far cry 6. Callisto I tested a bunch of settings. I'll do max on both other games when low is finished. I'll have SS comparisons before and after to share. 5600X3D + RX 7800XT is the first testbed since I want to see if Zen 3 3D sees some boost. I am also on the insider build before 24H2 at the moment. I was getting an error on downloading the new ISO until I updated to it.
I have seen other users say they can't replicate Steve's results, not even close. A couple say there was a boost but not as big. I wonder if fresh install, drivers, or some other factor are at play here too?
All I've seen is that there is a performance improvement on Zen5 of up to 30% in certain circumstances and that there may be improvements to Zen4 and Zen3 as well but no figures have been given for that. There's no guarantee that the older CPUs will get the same improvements.Not sure I understand your post, if it is sarcasm or what, but the improvement was similar for Zen 4 and Zen 5, so Zen 4 still seems the better value. Compared to Zen 4, Zen 5 still seems a dud for gaming. It will be interesting to see if the new windows build increases application performance, where Zen 5 seems to shine (relatively).
Sorry bro, did not see this until after updating to 24H2.Can you also do a quick Geekbench 6 run before the update, so we can see any changes to the score and subtests that are most affected?
Basically, you tell the game to search for the optimal settings (as it thinks), and your own settings are simply ignored (if you click on "Run benchmark"), hence the same results.EDIT: Another crazy thing about Callisto (I'd never played it and this is the first time I installed it) every time I tested on ultra it would recommend FSR 2 performance. Every time I tested at low, it would recommend ultra settings. I can't even. I am going to nuke it and reinstall, something has to be nerfed.
One thing the "Wintel" team has in common with internal strife. So it could be both malice and stupidity.Microsoft's shameful handling of Windows by using it purely as a trojan horse for whatever other products and services of the day they want to shove into their customers' face is fully their own fault, no two ways about that.
LOL! This isn't even a surprise. You know many, many companies use same shady marketing tactics right? Like saying "30% on sale" on the day of the release of the product? They do that both online and with brick and mortar stores.Speaking of reviews, I noticed suspicious reviews appearing on Amazon's listings for Zen 5. This looks like a paid/fake review account to me. AMD marketing so desperate as to resort to this? Note how the reviews appeared on launch day when the listings went live.
It sometimes is a literal Trojan Horse with intrusive updates, taking away control from users and privacy disaster called Recall.Microsoft's shameful handling of Windows by using it purely as a trojan horse for whatever other products and services of the day they want to shove into their customers' face is fully their own fault, no two ways about that.
Look at the early part of the video in post 204. The comparison of the change of Zen 5 vs Zen 4 is literally the point of the first 15 minutes of the video.All I've seen is that there is a performance improvement on Zen5 of up to 30% in certain circumstances and that there may be improvements to Zen4 and Zen3 as well but no figures have been given for that. There's no guarantee that the older CPUs will get the same improvements.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens though!
That still doesn't prove MS deliberately screwed AMD.Lol, are you kidding me? Those are crocodile tears at their finest. Microsoft is only like the company with the biggest market value out there. They have only like around 221,000 employees as of 2023. Windows is still only like the dominating OS on consumer computers in the world (for those people not counting mobile phones as computers anyway). Poor poor Windows didn't get a big enough chunk of those internal employees scrutinizing the company's single most successful software product, and external people don't readily jump in doing that job for free for a commercial closed source product, boohoo.
Microsoft's shameful handling of Windows by using it purely as a trojan horse for whatever other products and services of the day they want to shove into their customers' face is fully their own fault, no two ways about that.
That still doesn't prove MS deliberately screwed AMD.
Any way you can run Geekbench 6 with before and after the new 24H2 update?
Yes.
Microsoft will work closely and in good faith with both AMD and Intel to keep the system secure and performant as possible.
Any issues are simply going to be incompetence of one or more of the parties involved.
People ranting about bias, are only revealing their own.
It's like people think that there's a small team in charge of the windows OS that understands exactly how everything works in it.RE: to everyone about conspiracies.
I read this here, reddit or a youtube comment: recalling from memory so kind of disjointed.
Windows has been "broken" like this since the switch from 1803 to 1905; there was a combo punch of Zen2 / Zen3 "preferred cores" AND THEN Intel introducing big.Little physical architectures.
Basically, try 1803 LTS to 1905 and 1803 LTS performs far better.
The Windows kernel was never setup / ready for these big changes from AMD and Intel.
Then Windows 11 is just a coat of paint on Windows 10.
It has taken this long to "fix" the kernel, but then consumer AI smoke and mirrors blew up and I would guess messed up rolling out Win 11 24H2.
So it really was both Intel's and AMD's "fault", hardware truly did outpace software and we have a front row seat to Youtube for it
It's like people think that there's a small team in charge of the windows OS that understands exactly how everything works in it.
Microsoft really doesn't understand how windows works. There's decades of code, written by people who have left Microsoft years ago (or died) and left little documentation. It's at a point where people are too afraid to poke about too much in case they break something they can't fix!
Fixing Windows is more like archeology where you slowly have to dig through decades of forgotten strata of code and try to work out how it all fits together before you can start to fix it.
It seems his 23H2 setup was not performing correctly. For most people 24H2 is going to be more of the same.I tested my 7800X3D+7900XTX
Margin of error in Cyberpunk, 6% uplift in Gears bench 1080 low. Geekbench 6 is no change
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7516313
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/7518199
I tried VBS off, no real improvements in any of the tests.
Maybe 24H2 gets rid of the Nvidia driver overhead? Or 3D CPUs don't get the boost? If Steve trolled me into spending a couple of hours upgrading and testing for this experience? Then well played you Aussie son of a gun.
I'd have to go look at the build number, but I was using the one that was just before 24H2 on the AM4 system. 23H2 on AM5. I did not replicate his tests as he was in game for everything but gears. I just ran canned benches, nor do I have Phantom Liberty. Perhaps with how CPU heavy 2077 is in crowded areas it makes a big difference? The bench is light on the CPU load. Gears I tried on Ultra and the bench was almost entirely GPU bound for me. On low the average fps kept getting lower until the bench ended. On ultra it kept climbing; the exact opposite effect.It seems his 23H2 setup was not performing correctly. For most people 24H2 is going to be more of the same.
I asked my son if he'd like 10% extra gaming performance. He was all "nah dad, I'm busy playing games and this is fast enough". He's using the rig in my signature below, so touché son.Branch Prediction has been back ported to 23H2, KB5041587, no need to install 24H2
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