Ryzen-A Fail for Gamers?

[Anubis]

i really don't understand you people,

we now have a competitive second option that is better in some areas, equal in many and slightly worse in a few and you are shitting all over it because its not the 2nd coming. it literally defies logic. none of you should care this much about something that is this irrelevant

 

[Puffnstuff]

Joker's results speak for themselves.

 

[krumme]

Ok. Currently, have a i7 3770k with Fury card and play BF1 at 1440p at 100hz at low/med settings. I'm planning to get a 1080Ti so I can play at Ultra settings at 120hz and been told that I may be cpu limited by the i7 3770k. I was thinking of getting a 1700X but benchmarks and discussion go both ways. 1700X or 7700k?

I will show you.
Select mp mode
Operation
Kaizerslact, St scar campain 64 man
Start the counter in the console perfoverlay.drawfps 1
Play assault or similar and get into the center of action
Blow up the tanks get into the middle of the fight. This is fun anyway
Play a team that goes to win the point and not care for their kd so there happens to be some major party going on. Desteuction in the narrow streets.
At sector 4 and 5 and next map amien sector 3 to 6 you can sometimes discover dips below 60fps. It doesnt always happen so you have to play for hrs. But look for it. An skl i7 can even go under 60fps here.
You can find vids on youtube of it. Mine 3570 at 4.2 went under 30fps sometimes/seldom and i have seen 4790 running to 40fps.

I promise you personally an 1700 at 3.7 wont do it. I can bring a 3.0 stock to 58fps. So yeaa. As a bf player you sure want all the cores. This is not tf2.

 

[LTC8K6]

i really don't understand you people,

we now have a competitive second option that is better in some areas, equal in many and slightly worse in a few and you are shitting all over it because its not the 2nd coming. it literally defies logic. none of you should care this much about something that is this irrelevant

That's what hype causes. Disappointment with a good product.

 

[Puffnstuff]

That's what hype causes. Disappointment with a good product.

Yes this is true and is what has happened. AMD hyped it up and once the gates were opened people had issues duplicating their performance figures. I really hope they do get it sorted out and that Ryzen will be a consistent performer. I hope that Zen2 will bring us quad channel memory to increase throughput along with faster L1-L3 caching.

 

[leoneazzurro]

Not really, people can replicate the performance figures they gave. Problem is, there are other scenarios where the performance is not so consistent, or so good. Some can probably ironed out, some will remain. But I am not disappointed at all, the chip is competitive, architecture is not bad and can be improved, it is not showing clear Bulldozer-like issues.

 

[guachi]

Yes this is true and is what has happened. AMD hyped it up and once the gates were opened people had issues duplicating their performance figures.

The Cinebench and Blender results seem right on target. And their games were, IIRC, all shown at 4k, weren't they? Those have all panned out. Largely because any CPU $200 or higher can adequately play 4k games.

I don't think they showed 1080 gaming results probably because they knew they didn't measure up 100%. Ryzen has, what, a 20% clockspeed deficit and a 10% IPC deficit. Exactly how fast did anyone think it would perform? Frankly, I'm shocked that in a modern test suite it performs 98% as fast as the 7700K.

With motherboards in short supply, it's pretty apparent that people who actually had the chip in hand and have a financial stake in getting supply correct found the testing results far better than expected.

 

[LTC8K6]

Not really, people can replicate the performance figures they gave. Problem is, there are other scenarios where the performance is not so consistent, or so good. Some can probably ironed out, some will remain. But I am not disappointed at all, the chip is competitive, architecture is not bad and can be improved, it is not showing clear Bulldozer-like issues.

I would guess that the biggest hype let-down is the overclocking / XFR and the fact that all 3 chips end up about the same performance.

 

[leoneazzurro]

I would guess that the biggest hype let-down is the overclocking / XFR and the fact that all 3 chips end up about the same performance.

That's true but AMD never gave oveclocking headroom as a figure. Sad but true. And 1700 seems a real bargain.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

I would guess that the biggest hype let-down is the overclocking / XFR and the fact that all 3 chips end up about the same performance.

I am not sure why anyone expected it to clock higher really. Given the low power process, why would you assume that zen would clock as high as Haswell? Baased on leaked info, I was guesstimating 4.0 +-200MHz, and that is about what we got. If you really get lucky and have a custom loop, then you might get 4.3.

IMO, that is still quite good. I am more than happy with 3.9GHz all cores at low temps ~ low noise.

And who know, maybe it will get better over time? I heard bios updates enabled Kabylake to gain like another 100 MHz OC.

 

[IEC]

There are definite voltage binning differences, with the lesser models on average requiring more voltage to reach the same clocks and hitting the max OC wall earlier (100MHz-200MHz earlier).

Kyle confirms this both based on his chips as well as what he was told by AMD:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/03/08/amd_ryzen_1700_cpu_vs_1700x_review/1

1700 is the champ for price/perf, as well as % OC on all cores. You are looking at 3.0GHz all core base --> 3.9GHz+ all core OC. If you are one of the lucky ones to get a 4GHz+ all core OC, congrats, that is a 33% OC.

4.2GHz (Wendell @ level1techs) is about as high as I have seen non-extreme OCers hit with the 1800X. Even then, 3.7GHz (XFR/stock) all-core turbo vs 4.2GHz all-core turbo is a 13.5% overclock.

 

[LTC8K6]

That's true but AMD never gave oveclocking headroom as a figure. Sad but true. And 1700 seems a real bargain.

Yeah, the 1700 is the only chip that it makes sense to purchase, to me.

 

[tamz_msc]

Then what is?

I can find far better things to do with a 8-core CPU that extracts the maximum performance out of it, which actually makes a difference, instead of feeling smug about 110fps vs 90fps in a single-player game.

Being a gamer and being a PC enthusiast isn't the same thing.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

Why do we compare the R7 1800X against Core i7 7700K and not against Core i7 6900K ??

I can see the comparison of R7 1700 at $329 vs Core i7 7700K at $349 because of the same price point but really the R7 1800X at $500 should be compared against the Core i7 6850K or 6900K.

To be fair, a lot of reviewers don't have a $1000 6900k. Joker does have a 6800k though, but that isn't really a perfect comparison either.

It does seem odd to compare the 1800x to anything other than the 6900k though.

 

[TheELF]

You missed the 3.1GHz SandyBridge Core i3 2310 being slower than the 3.0GHz Wolfdale

and I can also see the Skylake Core i5 6600K at 3.5GHz equals R7 1800X at 3.6Ghz , different windows seems to have different results.

You missed that both of those run on igpu only.
Look up the posts of the people providing the scores.

 

[airfathaaaaa]

a korean guy is doing benchmarks the korean way

 

[unseenmorbidity]

4 core Ryzen vs 7700k

Both are clocked at 4GHz

4 Core Ryzen vs 7700k

http://www.zolkorn.com/en/amd-ryzen...i7-7700k-mhz-by-mhz-core-by-core-en/view-all/

 

[Greyguy1948]

How much do you expect from internal graphics in Ryzen?
I am a bit confused that some are satisfied with it for games. I believe it could be an alternative for laptops but not for desktops if you like games (like 99% do).
Most sold GPU in Sweden looks to be GTX 1070 so games are dominating really.
I have a Jaguar Athlon 5350 and I have been running Rise of Tomb Raider with internal GPU and with GTX 1050 Ti. The FPS went from 7 to 45 at 1920x1080 so they are not close!

 

[krumme]

We are hardly one meager week into zen life. Nvidia launches 1080ti.
And what happens?
http://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-cpu-showdown-i7-7700k-vs-ryzen-r7-1800x-vs-i7-5820k/

The 1800x walks all over the 7700 for min. Slam.

Thank you nvidia. Lol.

"If you’re gaming at 100+ FPS and your frame rate drops below 60FPS for a moment, you’re going to notice; the same is true from 60-40, and so on. The Ryzen 1800X helped maintain the highest minimum frame rates we’ve ever seen, and that means a more consistent, smoother and overall better gameplay experience. When it comes down to it, this higher minimum number is what you want from a gaming chip, not just the bigger average or maximum number."

 

[AtenRa]

I want to see more reviews to see if it will hold the same performance in the same games.

 

[repoman0]

We are hardly one meager week into zen life. Nvidia launches 1080ti.
And what happens?
http://www.eteknix.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-cpu-showdown-i7-7700k-vs-ryzen-r7-1800x-vs-i7-5820k/

The 1800x walks all over the 7700 for min. Slam.

Thank you nvidia. Lol.

"If you’re gaming at 100+ FPS and your frame rate drops below 60FPS for a moment, you’re going to notice; the same is true from 60-40, and so on. The Ryzen 1800X helped maintain the highest minimum frame rates we’ve ever seen, and that means a more consistent, smoother and overall better gameplay experience. When it comes down to it, this higher minimum number is what you want from a gaming chip, not just the bigger average or maximum number."

Why does a 100MHz OC on the 1800x improve performance so much vs stock in some games in this review? Not sure I totally trust it ...

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Why does a 100MHz OC on the 1800x improve performance so much vs stock in some games in this review? Not sure I totally trust it ...

At stock it probably doesn't run max turbo all the time. All reviews I've seen get decent gains from overclocking, even though you can't really go over 4.1

 

[inf64]

Why does a 100MHz OC on the 1800x improve performance so much vs stock in some games in this review? Not sure I totally trust it ...

Ryzen runs at 3.7Ghz when there is load on more than 2 cores. 4.1Ghz(OC) is 11% higher than 3.7Ghz.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

ACT is 3.7GHz, so its a 0.4GHz OC.

 

[repoman0]

Ah I see, my mistake. I thought it ran 4.0 GHz stock. In that case, pretty exciting results and it makes a pretty strong case.

I've been looking for reasons to swap 6700k -> 1700 ...