Ryzen runs crazy hot?

[Dulanic]

Update: OK so main issue... windows install. It was reading the wrong sensors. Still glad I did it because it kept my windows activation between my i7-930 and my Ryzen 1700x. I am seeing average of 48C idle which seems on par with what I should see /w a 212 EVO. Vcore looks better too. So lesson, which I knew before hand and jumped to conclusions BEFORE reinstalling is... always reinstall windows

Original message:
There seems to be a theme I've seen across multiple forums about how hot Ryzen runs and I'm somewhat worried how damn hot this thing runs. Maybe it's the cooler also... but it shouldn't be if I am running stock no OC.

I picked up a 1700X yesterday as I haven't upgraded in 7 years (i7-930). I booted up for the 1st time and found a couple things off...

I have a 212 EVO cooler (for now) and the idle temp in Bios was 55-60C. So due to that I decided to pop off the cooler and reseat it and same temps... under load it sits at 70-75C. I have searched forums and found this seems to be pretty consistent. So is the 212 EVO that bad or is the Ryzen that hot? I haven't even tried to OC this thing with those temps.

I am using the MSI B350... I am seeing 1.55V in HWiNFO? That seems crazy high? I haven't changed a thing so is it using this my default?

As a side note... I didn't even reinstall yet since I am trying to keep my windows licence and windows kept it active even after the motherboard/cpu swap? It updated a few things and is running no problems so far. Though I do plan to try to reinstall soon.

 

[CentroX]

212 cooler isn't good enough. I am 50c idle with water

 

[Dulanic]

212 cooler isn't good enough. I am 50c idle with water

No but it should be for stock should it not? Not even OCing. This is disappointing that it runs so hot BEFORE even any OCing.

 

[VirtualLarry]

This may be why they were shipping the 95W TDP Wraith cooler with the 65W TDP CPU.

It's not that the TDP of the CPU is beyond specs, necessarily, but that the smaller 14nm die makes the heat density higher, and harder to cool, to the temps appear hotter, even though it may not be dissipating more overall power.

 

[Kenmitch]

More cores, tiny package = more heat. Same applies to Intel.

If windows is still activated you really should do a fresh install for maximum performance. I wouldn't trust a regurgitated install even going from a i5 to i7 or visa versa. I hope you at least did the show hidden items in device manager and deleted the old non present devices for the time being.

 

[Dulanic]

More cores, tiny package = more heat. Same applies to Intel.

If windows is still activated you really should do a fresh install for maximum performance. I wouldn't trust a regurgitated install even going from a i5 to i7 or visa versa. I hope you at least did the show hidden items in device manager and deleted the old non present devices for the time being.

Oh I plan to, I did this because simply I wanted to keep my activation IF it would let it and it somehow did.

 

[The Alias]

AMD chips have issues reporting lower temperatures. You're probably fine.

 

[Dulanic]

More cores, tiny package = more heat. Same applies to Intel.

If windows is still activated you really should do a fresh install for maximum performance. I wouldn't trust a regurgitated install even going from a i5 to i7 or visa versa. I hope you at least did the show hidden items in device manager and deleted the old non present devices for the time being.

Alright, I'll trust it for now then I am getting to be a old man and I haven't upgraded a PC in 7 years so I am not as familiar /w how it is now vs how it was before. I'll also assume the 1.55Vcore is just a software issue since Ryzen is new. In the BIOS it shows right.

 

[Despoiler]

212 cooler isn't good enough. I am 50c idle with water

The 212 EVO is rated for 180w TDP.

No but it should be for stock should it not? Not even OCing. This is disappointing that it runs so hot BEFORE even any OCing.

Most of the AM4 mobos are incorrectly reporting temps. It's a common issue with any new chip let alone a new platform. They need a BIOS update. Have you checked you are running the most recent?

 

[Dulanic]

The 212 EVO is rated for 180w TDP.



Most of the AM4 mobos are incorrectly reporting temps. It's a common issue with any new chip let alone a new platform. They need a BIOS update. Have you checked you are running the most recent?

The BIOS shows good, it's the software that's the problem I am assuming. So I think I'm good there.

 

[Geegeeoh]

Tools need to be updated to get the correct temps.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It is a 95 watt TDP CPU, it should be fine as long as your cooler is installed correctly. My guess is temp reporting tools aren't reporting the correct temps for Ryzen yet.

 

[KompuKare]

Probably that the software needs to updated like the other posters have said.
However, looking at your first screenshot, the average CPU usage is 18.8% yet the average CPU package power is 36.849W. This seems high to me for a mostly idling CPU. What Windows power profile are you running? The performance profile might never clock down the CPU.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I run a hyper 212 evo with dual corsair fans in a push/pull configuration on my 4790k which has a 88w tdp and it does fine with the heat. If the Ryzen is generating that much heat there's obviously some underlying issue. Have you tried putting an external temp probe or use an infrared thermometer on the heatsink base to measure the temps?

 

[Agent-47]

I am seeing 1.55V in HWiNFO? That seems crazy high? I haven't changed a thing so is it using this my default?

yes. the voltage assigned by the MB is too high. 1.55V is beyond the recommended voltage of Ryzen according to AMD.

I have seen 1.35 V on OCed 1800x@4GHz.

go to bios and set it to 1.35V. but according to the graph below, you could probably get away with 1.2V

 

[Dulanic]

yes. the voltage assigned by the MB is too high. 1.55V is beyond the recommended voltage of Ryzen according to AMD.

I have seen 1.35 V on OCed 1800x@4GHz.

go to bios and set it to 1.35V. but according to the graph below, you could probably get away with 1.2V

Pretty sure it's just a software issue there. Bios says 1.2

 

[EXCellR8]

my 1700 runs amazing cool... downstairs still in the box

sorry, had to do it

 

[Face2Face]

What voltage does CPU-Z show under load? Make sure to download the most recent version.

 

[Dulanic]

What voltage does CPU-Z show under load? Make sure to download the most recent version.

Bios shows 1.2-1.25. I'm reinstalling windows now so we'll see in a bit.

 

[Agent-47]

Pretty sure it's just a software issue there. Bios says 1.2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yk-izRf2Ro&t=1532s
seems to be working fine there, though using a different programmer: 1.26 V @ 3.7 Ghz

also maybe check the temps from ryzen master

 

[fleshconsumed]

FYI idle in BIOS is not really idle. For whatever reason BIOS idle is more like BIOS load. Every single system I have ever had in the past 10 years reported near load temperatures just sitting in BIOS. Don't know why.

What's the windows idle temperature?

 

[imported_jjj]

Bios shows 1.2-1.25. I'm reinstalling windows now so we'll see in a bit.

Are you sure you are looking at Vcore in HVinfo?

 

[Flapdrol1337]

FYI idle in BIOS is not really idle. For whatever reason BIOS idle is more like BIOS load. Every single system I have ever had in the past 10 years reported near load temperatures just sitting in BIOS. Don't know why.

What's the windows idle temperature?

Bios doesn't clock back or parks cores, clock back pci-e and other parts of the chipset. Only does the bare minimum to be functional.

 

[B-Riz]

Ryzen Master had my R7 1700, Wraith cooler, stock volts (1.1875 ?), 3.4 all core at ~ 65*C during the Prime95 Small FFT. That was as far as I got last night, only trying for max oc on stock volts right now.

 

[Dulanic]

Are you sure you are looking at Vcore in HVinfo?

All set now that I reinstalled windows. Think that was why it was showing wrong sensor info. Now it shows the correct voltage. Also looks like my idle temp has dropped too. It is still at 60C in bios, but after booting etc.... it drops down to ~45C.