S939 X2 4800+ - what is it still useful for?

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edplayer

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Let's simplify this discussion a bit.

Is the problem with calling this rig a "gaming rig", with the CPU (X2 4800), with the RAM (2GB), or with the included video card (would have been the X1950GT, except the 500W PSU I was going to put in has a 24-pin ATX connector, and the mobo uses a 20-pin).


Everyone is going to have a different opinion. Here is mine.

I believe the problem is in your attitude.


For most of us on this forum, putting together a computer is not difficult. For some people, maybe it can be or they do not have the time or will to learn how to do it. It isn't that different from you going to a mechanic or hiring a plumber or any other specialist. You make a deal with them and are OK with them making a profit as long as you get the work done you were expecting and hopefully get some good insight on how to prevent it or how to better your situation. They are hoping to benefit from some of your expertise apart from just getting the service.

There is nothing wrong with you making a profit. The problem is in the way you are trying to do it. Your first set of numbers was about $435 in parts with the intent of charging $500~$600. What would be nice is to think of a decent setup of good current parts instead of the mish-mash (really, that is what it is) of crap parts.

Something along the lines of a Regor or E5200 paired with a SB710 based board or G31 and 2x1GB (or really just 2x2GB and raise the price $30). Not only are you getting a lot better performance, you also get an upgrade path to quad cores, a warranty and probably lower power consumption (definitely, when you compare it based on work output). A decent entry level gaming card (at a reasonable price). Those change but currently it seems like it would most likely be a 4670. You could build a computer around those parts for about the same price.
 

VirtualLarry

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Also, you have to admit, an OCd opty with a 9600GSO is worlds better than the machine in your OP for gaming. Doubly so 6-8 months ago.
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See, I don't see why you would say that. The stock speed of this X2 4800 is faster CPU-wise than that OCed Opty. So if someone dropped a 9600GSO into this machine, it should play games as well or better than that rig. And you had no qualms with me calling that rig a gaming rig, right?

I would have put a 9600GSO into this rig, but I sold my last one in the last rig I built, an E5200 on a G31 mobo, with a 9600GSO.
 

edplayer

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v8envy's find on tigerdirect reminds me of why I stopped selling computers.

These guys will kill your prices. I went over to Dell Small Business. They have a Vostro 220 with an E7500, 2GB DDR2 and a 250GB drive for $400. That comes with a one year warranty and an 18.5" monitor. Someone who follows slickdeals or fatwallet will get even better deals.

Here are two craigslist postings I found:

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/sys/1535738522.html

AMD Phenom X4 Black Edition Quad-Core 2.66GHz
Corsair XMS 2 4GB (2x 2GB)
Coolermaster Hyper 212 CPU Heatsink
MSi K9A2 Platinum Motherboard
ATi Diamond 4870 512MB DDR5

partial specs. He is asking $600


http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/sys/1499013161.html

OS Name Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic x64 w/cd
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9550 @ 2.83GHz, 2833 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
Ram: 4.00g
Motherboard: Asus P5N-D
Harddrve: 500gb
Video Card: 2x Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 SLI (means there is 2 of them working together)

He is asking $700

THOSE are gaming computers at fair prices.
 

Gillbot

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Well, you can make up your own definition I suppose, but by current standards, it is not a gaming rig unless you really believe that the ability to play pong defines gaming in 2010. But, judging from the rig in your sig, that is not what you believe.

My rig with an outdated vid card handles all the games I care to play just fine. I have no problem with his description because as i said, it's buyer beware. You can go into a store at anytime to buy anything, and there is no law requiring the store to put notices on their products that state there may be something newer or better out there.

Hell, you can still buy CD burners in stores. Should they be required to say you can get a DVD burner instead just because they will also burn CD's?
 

Pederv

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Up until a month or so ago I had a 4800X2 with an X1900.
I tried playing Need for Speed - Shift on it and it was jerky.
Once I replaced the X1900 with a 4890 the game smoothed out.
I probably could have dropped a 4670 into it and seen the same improvement but I was working towards a new build anyway.

Most of the new games that I've looked at call out a minimum system of a 3GHz P4 with an X1300.

The 4800X2 system is going to go to my wife and get a video card upgrade to a 5750 or 5770, just because there is a chance that my sister's kids may come over and want to play some games.
 

StrangerGuy

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Up until a month or so ago I had a 4800X2 with an X1900.
I tried playing Need for Speed - Shift on it and it was jerky.
Once I replaced the X1900 with a 4890 the game smoothed out.
I probably could have dropped a 4670 into it and seen the same improvement but I was working towards a new build anyway.

Most of the new games that I've looked at call out a minimum system of a 3GHz P4 with an X1300.

The 4800X2 system is going to go to my wife and get a video card upgrade to a 5750 or 5770, just because there is a chance that my sister's kids may come over and want to play some games.

A 3GHz P4 can't even maintain a constant 60 fps in UT99 with bots let alone the new games that really needs at least a non-netburst dual-core.
 

Pederv

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A 3GHz P4 can't even maintain a constant 60 fps in UT99 with bots let alone the new games that really needs at least a non-netburst dual-core.

I'm just reading the requirements off the box the game came in.
We all know that there are games that will play like crap on the minimum system suggested by the manufacturer.
If you use UT as a reference then the requirements for UT3 are either a single 2GHz CPU or a 2.4GHz dual core.

I'm just suggesting that VirtualLarry may want to consider adding another adjective to his "Gaming System" description because the 4800 doesn't quite make it.
 

VirtualLarry

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A 3GHz P4 can't even maintain a constant 60 fps in UT99 with bots let alone the new games that really needs at least a non-netburst dual-core.
I call shens, because my friend used to play UT99 on a K6-2 500Mhz (with 3DNow!), and a Voodoo 3 card (Glide for the win), and got 60FPS.

I've always found UT99 to be more dependent on video card than CPU, at least up to a point.
 
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Gardener

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Buyer beware applies to all purchases. I can advertise a pinto as a sports car, doesn't mean i'm a scammer if someone is dumb enough to buy it as such.

Does your Camero have a footprint gas pedal?
 

VirtualLarry

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What HSF are you going to use with the X2 4800?

The standard 4-heatpipe AMD one. I bought a bunch of them from stuartconnections off of ebay a while back for $20 ea shipped. I find that they work pretty darn well, for a stock heatsink.
 

VirtualLarry

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Yet another "P4 gaming rig" ad. This time, a P4 2.8 and a Radeon 9200. Still, a step up from integrated graphics, but hardly capable of playing any recent games.
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/sys/1541671559.html

Price is in the right area, roughly. Doesn't quite have enough RAM though.

I'm selling a P4 gaming rig with 2GB of RAM, a 2.8 HT Northwood, an an X1300 for less than he is.
 

robmurphy

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If they are up to the job fine.

I used some X2 4600 S939 as upgrades and they needed a HSF like the artic cooling freezer 7, which would not fit. The X2 4600 and 4800 need a HSF with a 0.2 C/W temp increase from CPU to case. The older 89W single core ones needed a 0.3 C/W HSF.

Rob
 

jacktesterson

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Just looking on Future Shop and Best Buy REALLY quick here in Canada, You can buy an Athlon II with 3GB Ram, 500GB Drive and Windows 7 with a 18.5 LCD Monitor for $529.99. It has PCI-E Slots. Throw in a $75 4670 and for $600 plus tax you have a whole system that faster with a monitor.

Future Shop has an Acer Athlon II system with 4 GB of ram, 500GB Drive, Win 7 and onboard 3200 graphics for $449.99. Add a $75 4670 and you once again have a faster more up to date system for less than $550.

I'm just saying you probably could sell that for $600, but it might take a while. I doubt I could get $600 for it here.

Worth trying though.
 
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