Saddam, did you hear that? You have 48 hours to get out....

[Ben50]

Originally posted by: Finality

Originally posted by: Ben50

Originally posted by: Finality
Anyone else see the flaw in Bushs thinking?

Anyone really think Saddam will leave?

And since he wont leave what does he have to lose? He knows we're going to get him sooner or later dead or alive so whats going to stop him from doing whatever he wants? Anthrax/nukes/chemical warfare you name it. Like I said he has nothing to lose so whats the difference?

Well the obvious idea is that we are going to stop him using force if necessary. It seems that you are implying Sadam will somehow lose his capability to use whatever weapons he does have if only we wait longer. I would like to hear your reasoning behind that if it is truly what you are trying state.

I'm not saying he would lose his capability....

I'm just stating why defualt to a defacto state of war? Does Saddam suck? Yes. Will going to war with him RIGHT NOW accomplish anything? No... All I see are a lot of dead soldiers and civilians. I just dont see why he couldn't wait any longer for the UN inspectors to do as much as they could to destroy some of those weapons. They where succeeding not at a fast rate but they where succeeding...

By Bushs logic soldiers are going to die anyway so might as well get it over it? What was the sudden rush with the 3 month timetable? He was in office 2 years and he suddenly decides its time to go after Saddam....

Your basically backing a rabbid dog into a corner all thats left for it to do is attack you with all its got.

I agree that we are forcing his hand and that he most probably will attack us with all he has. As for the sudden rush, defeating Sadam once and for all will secure Bush's reelection in 2004 which I assume is very important to him. Personally I think he is already guaranteed for the presidency next term considering the lack of credible candidates the democrats are currently presenting. In regard to the UN inspectors, if Sadam is truly building up weapons, I assure you that his production capability exceeds the rate at which inspectors can find and destroy such weapons. It is similar to the war on drugs; we do as much as possible to find and destroy drugs, and still drugs are readily available from sources that we have yet to find. If we wait longer, it only gives Sadam more capabilities to harm us and others including his own people.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: Finality
Anyone else see the flaw in Bushs thinking?

Anyone really think Saddam will leave?

And since he wont leave what does he have to lose? He knows we're going to get him sooner or later dead or alive so whats going to stop him from doing whatever he wants? Anthrax/nukes/chemical warfare you name it. Like I said he has nothing to lose so whats the difference?

<French>

What are you talking about? The inspections have shown that he obviously doesn't have any of those. We have 150 inspectors in Iraq that's only the size of California there's no way at all that we could have missed something.

</French>

 

[snidy1]

Originally posted by: Renob
I think Saddam is about to meet Allah.


Not me, he is going str8 to HELL.

Don't you think that's where Allah is?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: snidy1

Originally posted by: Renob
I think Saddam is about to meet Allah.


Not me, he is going str8 to HELL.

Don't you think that's where Allah is?

:Q

 

[numark]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: numark
Saddam and his sons and his whole military staff could hightail it out of there and we wouldn't hear about them leaving until AFTER the war. There's many more things at stake in this war than just Saddam, and if Saddam were to leave the picture Bush would still want war for any of the myriad other reasons. Don't kid yourself into thinking that this is solely about Saddam.

Ok... I'll bite. What is it about? You can't say oil because it isn't.

Above all I see it as a political ploy to gain votes. What better way to get re-elected than to have a quick, easy, and decisive victory against a guy nobody really likes anyways. That way, you can throw the "anti-American" thing at anyone who speaks out against Bush, because he's the one that "saved America once again." It's just a pity that thousands of innocent Iraqis have to die to get votes when North Korea is at our doorstep with nuclear weapons within range of the United States. North Korea doesn't gain as many votes, however.

The economy's in a downturn right now, our lawmakers are focusing on inept things, and the American people easily forget those things when we go over and fight a war. If it wasn't about votes, we would have focused our attention on getting support from a wide range of other countries, and more importantly by focusing on the real threats, bin Laden (Who's he? Haven't heard about him in a while) and North Korea. Instead, Gulf War 2 happens and, if all goes well, Bush's name gets put down on the ballots and he has another 4 years. It's a big political gamble, all-or-nothing, but wow is the potential payoff good.

Note I said all of that without getting into oil. Try to argue against that now

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: numark

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: numark
Saddam and his sons and his whole military staff could hightail it out of there and we wouldn't hear about them leaving until AFTER the war. There's many more things at stake in this war than just Saddam, and if Saddam were to leave the picture Bush would still want war for any of the myriad other reasons. Don't kid yourself into thinking that this is solely about Saddam.

Ok... I'll bite. What is it about? You can't say oil because it isn't.

Above all I see it as a political ploy to gain votes. What better way to get re-elected than to have a quick, easy, and decisive victory against a guy nobody really likes anyways. That way, you can throw the "anti-American" thing at anyone who speaks out against Bush, because he's the one that "saved America once again." It's just a pity that thousands of innocent Iraqis have to die to get votes when North Korea is at our doorstep with nuclear weapons within range of the United States. North Korea doesn't gain as many votes, however.

The economy's in a downturn right now, our lawmakers are focusing on inept things, and the American people easily forget those things when we go over and fight a war. If it wasn't about votes, we would have focused our attention on getting support from a wide range of other countries, and more importantly by focusing on the real threats, bin Laden (Who's he? Haven't heard about him in a while) and North Korea. Instead, Gulf War 2 happens and, if all goes well, Bush's name gets put down on the ballots and he has another 4 years. It's a big political gamble, all-or-nothing, but wow is the potential payoff good.

Note I said all of that without getting into oil. Try to argue against that now

Did Bush senior get re-elected?

 

[AUMM]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: AUMM
is it a bad time to be flying anywhere? i was just watching on the news that some airlines are allowing people to refund their tickets or reschedule because of the comming war. you guys think theres anything to be worried about??

Yes there might be something to worry about. I certainly wouldn't fly anywhere unless I had to. Americans are targets and would recommend against going to a foreign country for the time being as when the first bombs hit, protests will go up ten fold.

hmmm i have a trip planned to Hawaii in a couple days, hopefully things will be fine

 

[TheShiz]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Welcome to the 9th Plane of Hell Best Western Mr. Hussein. We have you room all reserved for you between Adolph Hitler and John Denver. We at the 9th Plane of Hell Best Western are pleased to have you as a permanent guest. Please remember that all rooms are smoking and anal rape room service is mandatory.

next to henry kissenger

 

[numark]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: numark

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: numark
Saddam and his sons and his whole military staff could hightail it out of there and we wouldn't hear about them leaving until AFTER the war. There's many more things at stake in this war than just Saddam, and if Saddam were to leave the picture Bush would still want war for any of the myriad other reasons. Don't kid yourself into thinking that this is solely about Saddam.

Ok... I'll bite. What is it about? You can't say oil because it isn't.

Above all I see it as a political ploy to gain votes. What better way to get re-elected than to have a quick, easy, and decisive victory against a guy nobody really likes anyways. That way, you can throw the "anti-American" thing at anyone who speaks out against Bush, because he's the one that "saved America once again." It's just a pity that thousands of innocent Iraqis have to die to get votes when North Korea is at our doorstep with nuclear weapons within range of the United States. North Korea doesn't gain as many votes, however.

The economy's in a downturn right now, our lawmakers are focusing on inept things, and the American people easily forget those things when we go over and fight a war. If it wasn't about votes, we would have focused our attention on getting support from a wide range of other countries, and more importantly by focusing on the real threats, bin Laden (Who's he? Haven't heard about him in a while) and North Korea. Instead, Gulf War 2 happens and, if all goes well, Bush's name gets put down on the ballots and he has another 4 years. It's a big political gamble, all-or-nothing, but wow is the potential payoff good.

Note I said all of that without getting into oil. Try to argue against that now

Did Bush senior get re-elected?

Nope. That's because he didn't employ the war tactic well enough. He gave people an opportunity to return to thinking about the economy "read my lips, no new taxes" vs tax increases. I'll grant this to Bush Jr., however, he (or most likely, his advisors) seem to be smart enough to be planning to talk about it up until election time in one form or another. And as I said before, it's one of the biggest gambles he can take. The war tactic depends on a lot of aspects coming together: Bush's tax cuts going through, the war ending quickly, the economy not tanking too badly, no major crises with North Korea. If everything can be contained, the payoff is huge. Unfortunately the gamble didn't pay off for Bush Sr., mostly by his own making.

 

[Ben50]

Originally posted by: numark

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: numark
Saddam and his sons and his whole military staff could hightail it out of there and we wouldn't hear about them leaving until AFTER the war. There's many more things at stake in this war than just Saddam, and if Saddam were to leave the picture Bush would still want war for any of the myriad other reasons. Don't kid yourself into thinking that this is solely about Saddam.

Ok... I'll bite. What is it about? You can't say oil because it isn't.

Above all I see it as a political ploy to gain votes. What better way to get re-elected than to have a quick, easy, and decisive victory against a guy nobody really likes anyways. That way, you can throw the "anti-American" thing at anyone who speaks out against Bush, because he's the one that "saved America once again." It's just a pity that thousands of innocent Iraqis have to die to get votes when North Korea is at our doorstep with nuclear weapons within range of the United States. North Korea doesn't gain as many votes, however.

The economy's in a downturn right now, our lawmakers are focusing on inept things, and the American people easily forget those things when we go over and fight a war. If it wasn't about votes, we would have focused our attention on getting support from a wide range of other countries, and more importantly by focusing on the real threats, bin Laden (Who's he? Haven't heard about him in a while) and North Korea. Instead, Gulf War 2 happens and, if all goes well, Bush's name gets put down on the ballots and he has another 4 years. It's a big political gamble, all-or-nothing, but wow is the potential payoff good.

Note I said all of that without getting into oil. Try to argue against that now

Are you seriously worried about Korea having nuclear capability? I think korea just wants to be a respected member of the world community and this is their means of obtaining that respect. At some point everyone will have the knowledge necessary to make nuclear devices so there is no way we can go invade every country that makes nuclear devices. As far as the election, I think even if this iraq war doesn't go well, Bush will still be reelected. I really wish we could get some better candidates but honestly its not looking good.

 

[Daxxax]

Originally posted by: numark

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: numark
Saddam and his sons and his whole military staff could hightail it out of there and we wouldn't hear about them leaving until AFTER the war. There's many more things at stake in this war than just Saddam, and if Saddam were to leave the picture Bush would still want war for any of the myriad other reasons. Don't kid yourself into thinking that this is solely about Saddam.

Ok... I'll bite. What is it about? You can't say oil because it isn't.

Above all I see it as a political ploy to gain votes. What better way to get re-elected than to have a quick, easy, and decisive victory against a guy nobody really likes anyways. That way, you can throw the "anti-American" thing at anyone who speaks out against Bush, because he's the one that "saved America once again." It's just a pity that thousands of innocent Iraqis have to die to get votes when North Korea is at our doorstep with nuclear weapons within range of the United States. North Korea doesn't gain as many votes, however.

The economy's in a downturn right now, our lawmakers are focusing on inept things, and the American people easily forget those things when we go over and fight a war. If it wasn't about votes, we would have focused our attention on getting support from a wide range of other countries, and more importantly by focusing on the real threats, bin Laden (Who's he? Haven't heard about him in a while) and North Korea. Instead, Gulf War 2 happens and, if all goes well, Bush's name gets put down on the ballots and he has another 4 years. It's a big political gamble, all-or-nothing, but wow is the potential payoff good.

Note I said all of that without getting into oil. Try to argue against that now

Truly moronic. I'll never understand where people pull this kind of crap out of. Nevermind I know exactly where they pull this crap out of. The same place Saddam will be kissing goodbye very soon. The war is about getting re-elected!! That's a good one!! What are you Bush-haters/America-Haters going to come up with next??

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Renob
I think Saddam is about to meet Allah.


Not me, he is going str8 to HELL.

Isn't that the same thing?

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I'm not real sure about Saddam being toast. We sure have a hard time capturing the big fish. I'll bet that he'll leave to Syria or another neighboring country.

You can bet we got 3 spy sattelites and a crapload of U2 planes documenting his every move

Ausm

 

[Nitemare]

I liked it when he appealed to the Iraqi civilians and the military...


As if Saddam would allow this speech anywhere near them.....lol