sadistic cop kills family golden retriever

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PokerGuy

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If you stop and think, you just allowed yourself to get attacked. I know I'm not the fastest guy around, but a dog is pretty damn fast and if you give a dog a second, it can close a sizeable distance.

Stop and think about reality before knee-jerk emotional responses.

Oh please. I'm not the one who needs to stop and think, the cop needed to do that. You don't just go around with a gun in a neighborhood and shoot at anything that moves. You need to think and assess the situation, including the threat. Considering that the dog was still IN THE YARD and that the officer was OUTSIDE THE YARD, I have a difficult time thinking that the officer didn't have time to take other action, including waiting or backing up. If the dog actually comes out of the yard, then yes, it's unrestrained and I can see taking action to protect himself from the dog.

I wasn't there, so I don't know. We're all speculating based on the information provided, and based on what I've read, I think the action was very inappropriate and I don't think I'd be confident with such a trigger happy (or incompetent) individual walking my neighborhood armed and ready to blast anything that might move.
 

darkewaffle

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'good dogs' bite people too.....but I agree some more caution should be used


some users here seem to think the dog was in its yard barking

when in fact it was running at the cop

Do you know what my dog does when it barks at people? It runs at them to look at them and smell them and barks to tell us 'HEYLOOKHEYLOOKHEYLOOKTHERESAGUYTHERESAGUYOMGOMGOMGOMG'.

Thinking of normal barking as aggressive behavior is a mistake, there's a world of difference between a 'LOOKATTHISSHIT' bark and 'angry' bark. Most notably, the first is just retarded yapping, while the latter is a much sharper, harsher sounding and accompanied by baring of the teeth and snarling.

I mean I don't expect everyone to have dog experience, but it's the difference between you telling your friends "lol shut up" and telling someone else to "Shut up or I shatter your teeth." It doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between the two.
 

Zargon

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Do you know what my dog does when it barks at people? It runs at them to look at them and smell them and barks to tell us 'HEYLOOKHEYLOOKHEYLOOKTHERESAGUYTHERESAGUYOMGOMGOMGOMG'.

Thinking of normal barking as aggressive behavior is a mistake, there's a world of difference between a 'LOOKATTHISSHIT' bark and 'angry' bark. Most notably, the first is just retarded yapping, while the latter is a much sharper, harsher sounding and accompanied by baring of the teeth and snarling.

I mean I don't expect everyone to have dog experience, but it's the difference between you telling your friends "lol shut up" and telling someone else to "Shut up or I shatter your teeth." It doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between the two.

yes and for all we know the fur on his back was up his teeth were bared and he was going after the guy.

the story doesnt say. my dog has 3 barks, retarded yip yaps, a big dog BARK/woof and OMG WTF WAS THAT gnarly barking and growling with his fur up.

he has done the 3rd to me when I startled the shit out of him cuz he was asleep
 

Gooberlx2

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Sad, but the article only presents one side. It doesn't interview neighbors or try to establish any behavioral history. Not all Golden Retrievers are the happy-go-lucky-licking-monster we envision. For all we know it could have been barking/charging in much a more vicious and menacing manner than described.

I'm willing to err on the side of the family, but it is possible they or the article aren't being 100% accurate about the dog's behavior.
 
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<3 Golden's.

Stupid cop, he needs to die!!!!

(yes I know, a very lop-sided, biased, unreasonable statement...but did I mention that I <3 Golden's? lol)
 

lord_emperor

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The officer should have done what any other person without a gun would do in this situation, either run away, punch the dog in the face or shout loudly followed by giving the dog a good scratch under the chin.

Deadly force should require a deadly threat and I don't believe for a second that a police officer was in danger of death from this dog.
 

surfsatwerk

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The officer should have done what any other person without a gun would do in this situation, either run away, punch the dog in the face or shout loudly followed by giving the dog a good scratch under the chin.

Deadly force should require a deadly threat and I don't believe for a second that a police officer was in danger of death from this dog.

If the dog owner cared about the dog he would have properly confined the animal so it would not threaten random people passing by.
 

PokerGuy

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If the dog owner cared about the dog he would have properly confined the animal so it would not threaten random people passing by.

My God people, if you have an invisible fence, having the dog out in your yard IS PROPERLY CONFINED. If the dog had come out of the yard, it would be fair to say the dog should have been properly confined. The dog was in it's own yard, doing exactly what a dog is supposed to do in its own yard. This is not a hard concept.
 

SandEagle

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My brother in law had his black lab shot by an off duty officer in a park in Chicago. He was playing frisbee with his dog and the off duty officer was jogging by and the dog decided go run after him. The officer pulled out his concealed carry turned around and shot his dog right in the face. The bullet went through the dogs nose, tongue and bottom of his mouth. To make a long story short, the dog lived, the cop never appologized nor helped/offered with the $1000+ pet bills.

No leash. No sympathy. If a dog chased me, i'd do the same. Lol at u thinking an apology or financial assistance was deserved. Lol
 
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Zargon

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My God people, if you have an invisible fence, having the dog out in your yard IS PROPERLY CONFINED. If the dog had come out of the yard, it would be fair to say the dog should have been properly confined. The dog was in it's own yard, doing exactly what a dog is supposed to do in its own yard. This is not a hard concept.

seriously though, if you have an invisi-fence in your open front yard, put up a damn sign. the genreal public doesnt know that.


also some food for thought, depending on the county/city.

if that dog did bite the cop, the family could have been forced to put it down, I think in my community it takes 2-3 reported bites for them to take and euthenize the dog.....

my old neighbors pit got in trouble for biting some random persons dog when she got out of her fenced in yard, but she played with my dog, and me tons and never bit my doggie...you just never know
 
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waggy

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My God people, if you have an invisible fence, having the dog out in your yard IS PROPERLY CONFINED. If the dog had come out of the yard, it would be fair to say the dog should have been properly confined. The dog was in it's own yard, doing exactly what a dog is supposed to do in its own yard. This is not a hard concept.

then as a responsible dog owner you put up a fucking sign. how do you expect anyone to know that there is a invisible fence?

i don't fault the dog. or the cop. i do fault the owner.
 

surfsatwerk

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My God people, if you have an invisible fence, having the dog out in your yard IS PROPERLY CONFINED. If the dog had come out of the yard, it would be fair to say the dog should have been properly confined. The dog was in it's own yard, doing exactly what a dog is supposed to do in its own yard. This is not a hard concept.

This is wrong, invisible fences exist for entertainment purposes only. A dog is confined when there is a physical restrait or barrier to prevent it from leaving the property or area it is supposed to be confined.
 

Gooberlx2

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if you have an invisible fence, having the dog out in your yard IS PROPERLY CONFINED.

It's really not. Dogs have a plenty high enough pain tolerance and run fast enough to ignore the pulse if they're determined to cross that barrier.
 

Exterous

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The big question is if an underground fence qualifies as a fence under this law:

Restraining a dog by means of tether, chain, cable, rope, leash, or cord, which is attached to a fixed object, or staked to the ground, is considered illegal. All dogs confined outside must be kept within an enclosed fence, no more than six feet in height, or by a running-cable line, or trolley system.
http://blogs.ajc.com/clayton-talk/2010/08/23/new-animal-control-ordinances-come-to-clayton/

Since all other mentioned exampels are physical barriers and an underground 'fence' does not physically prevent the animal from leaving the yard I would think it does not count.

The cop should issue them a ticket for not following the law :twisted:
 
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if that dog did bite the cop, the family could have been forced to put it down, I think in my community it takes 2-3 reported bites for them to take and euthenize the dog.....
After I was mauled by a rott, I was told it got put down. Then several months later was informed it lived on to be a guard dog or some shit.
I can't really be mad about it, though. The dog did get me paid big $$$ that kept me afloat during unemployment.
I don't go out for walks anymore, without at least an easily accessible blade. I'd feel safer having my gun on me...
 

Exterous

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My God people, if you have an invisible fence, having the dog out in your yard IS PROPERLY CONFINED.

If you had done 2 seconds worth of google searching you would have found that this is most likely not the case
 

Zargon

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After I was mauled by a rott, I was told it got put down. Then several months later was informed it lived on to be a guard dog or some shit.
I can't really be mad about it, though. The dog did get me paid big $$$ that kept me afloat during unemployment.
I don't go out for walks anymore, without at least an easily accessible blade. I'd feel safer having my gun on me...

yeah. so many horror stories about people that take their 'nice dog thats never bitten anyone' toa park w/o a leash and someone paying the price for it.

my coworkers husky would run right though it.

well, yelp and drop to the ground ashe went by and get back up in mid stride and keep on a running, and that was just to run, not to even go after anything in particular.

if my dog learns to jump the fence I might add a shock fence to help deter him when I am not around to do it myself, but I wouldnt trust it on its own


but I dont think I'd walk around most of joliet w/o a weapon anyways
 
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Squisher

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I have unexpectedly encountered a dog probably 100 times in my life. As the dog was coming at me I wondered if it was going to stick its nose in my crotch, jump up on me, or nip at my feet and heels. I have never thought to use deadly force to bring the dog down.
That isn't to say if I was breaking down the door at a crack house or jumping the fence into a junkyard or encountered a feral pack out in the woods I wouldn't shoot first, but in your average residential setting underestimating a dog at worst might get you bit.
I have been bitten and lived.
 

Snxxx

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So what if the dog was running at the cop? Do you think it should have said, "Oh, this is a police officer?" It was in its own yard. Had it left the yard, that might be different.

One reason people get dogs is for protection. If, instead of a cop, this had been an escaped felon approaching the house - perhaps to rape a woman or kidnap a kid - and the this same dog behaved in the exact same way, Boomer would get a ticker tape parade, be on the news as a hero, and be receiving a commendation from the same police department that hired the anthead cop.

I guess the dog is supposed to recognize this person has a badge.

Electric dog fences are perfectly legal ways to keep dogs on property. There is no legal requirement for a sign.

As to you whiners about dogs - if you are that afraid of a dog that you don't want to pass a dog barking in a yard, or running up to the boundary line of property, I truly have sympathy, but don't go walking. People have a perfect right to have dogs in their yards.

The cop is an unbalanced wuss who chose lethal force over other alternatives, including common sense. I hope her name is published and she is ostracized for the next ten years. She deserves to be canned.
 

Exterous

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Electric dog fences are perfectly legal ways to keep dogs on property. There is no legal requirement for a sign.

Did you read the law I linked? It would seem that this may not be the case.

Certainly an interesting first post :hmm:
 
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