Safe Voltage limits on CPU and Memory - need advice

TommyD

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Hello all,

I currently have my AMD 64 3200+ Winchester running at HTT 4x, 10x 240 FSB stable at 1.500 Volts and DDR Voltage at 2.80v. I want to run at HTT 4x, 10x 250 but my system gets a little unstable when I do. I was wondering if its safe to set the CPU voltage to 1.550 and the DDR voltage to 2.85.

My case has very good cooling and my CPU has stock AMD cooling.
 

Acanthus

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generally 10% is the safe threshold, some people go by 15%, 20% or more usually results in a fast cpu death.

Edit: 2.85 is safe for memory.
 

furballi

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You should be fine as long as Prime95 (max heat test for one hour) does not yield a peak CPU temperature above 57C.

I'm running a 3000 Winchester at 1.55V. 56C in Prime95. Zalman 7000Cu CPU cooler is set at 1920 rpm MAX.
 

Concillian

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Memory voltage is less what is safe max, and more what the memory works best at.

You can give TCCD 3.0v and it won't catch on fire or otherwise destroy itself, but it will likely reach a lower stable overclock than 2.7-2.8v.
 

Elfear

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I usually base my max Vdimm off of the manufacturers recommendations. VX I don't mind running 3.4-3.5V through. My Ballistix I ran 3.0V through as that was within Crucial spec. Just my thought on the matter if you're not doing some xtreme ocing.
 

Painman

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Originally posted by: theman
no more than 1.55 on a winnie.

I agree with this cap for a long term, everyday OC on a 90nm A64. 1.65 max on air for short periods of time, if you want to know the outer limit of the chip.
 

sangyup81

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It all depends on cooling since for most purposes, it's the heat from the voltage that endangers the CPU before the voltage itself does
 

MADMAX23

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Originally posted by: TommyD
Hello all,

I currently have my AMD 64 3200+ Winchester running at HTT 4x, 10x 240 FSB stable at 1.500 Volts and DDR Voltage at 2.80v. I want to run at HTT 4x, 10x 250 but my system gets a little unstable when I do. I was wondering if its safe to set the CPU voltage to 1.550 and the DDR voltage to 2.85.

My case has very good cooling and my CPU has stock AMD cooling.


Don't be afraid of giving 1.550v or even 1.60v for your Cpu, mine is at 1.568v and hardly ever exceeds 50ºc, for your Ram... a max of 2.85v or 2.9v I would say.
Good luck!

 

theMan

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even if it stays at really good temps, extra voltage can kill. the volts will wear down the cpu, no matter how cold it is. 10% or less on voltage. 2.85 on ram unless you have VX
 

milkrocks

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I run my winchester at 1.6250V 24/7.

Runs just fine - Peak CPU Temps are around 48 degrees C. (with Silent Boost K8)

Read the overclockign quide - find the max memory speed and max cpu speed seperately so you can understand where your instability is coming from!
 

pm

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The only safe limit is the one set by the manufacturer. Manufacturers set it to the highest value that they can while staying within the limits of their reliability goals.

It all depends on cooling since for most purposes, it's the heat from the voltage that endangers the CPU before the voltage itself does.
This is not true. It's the other way around. There's a linear dependence on mean-time to fail (MTTF) on a CMOS part to temperature, there's a square dependence on voltage to MTTF.

In non-statistics speak, increasing the temperature a bit will make your chip a little more likely to die. Increasing the voltage a little bit will have a much bigger effect in killing your chip.

In the "old days" - prior to 0.18um process technology - the dominant reiability failure mechanism was electromigration. In electromigration, higher temperatures and higher voltages reduce the average time to failure. Because electromigration is dependent on current density, increasing voltage is worse.

Once the industry switched to dual-damascene copper technology, electromigration failures were relegated back to design-related mistakes. Instead the dominant failure mechanisms became time-depenedent dielectric breakdown (TDDB), PMOS BTI (although this is pretty much accounted for in manufacturer burn-in), and NMOS hot-electron gate-impact ionization (NMOS hot-e). In all three of these small increases in voltage can result in large reductions in operational lifetime. In fact, in the case of hot-e, it gets worse with lowered temperature.

For more details, you can read through this (rather condensed) notes page http://www.eie.polyu.edu.hk/~ensurya/lect_notes/Reli_Fail/Reli_Fail_notes.htm. Although the whole page is an interesting reference, the part relevant to this discussion starts with "Properties of Metal-Oxide Silicon (MOS) System".
Trust me, you will not kill your Cpu with 1.550v...
Clearly increasing the voltage reduces the MTTF from the manufacturer's ratings, so I don't understand how you can state this. How large is the sample size that you are basing this statement on? What data are you using?

Patrick Mahoney
Senior Microprocessor Design Engineer
Intel Corp.
 

theMan

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Originally posted by: milkrocks
I run my winchester at 1.6250V 24/7.

Runs just fine - Peak CPU Temps are around 48 degrees C. (with Silent Boost K8)

Read the overclockign quide - find the max memory speed and max cpu speed seperately so you can understand where your instability is coming from!

what core do you have? if you have 90nm thats way to high, and for not much of an oc. if its a hammer or NC, up tp 1.65 is ok
 
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