Safest Table Saw

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I have been using table saws and other tools that can cut off fingers in the blink of an eye for 30 years and have yet to cut any of my fingers. Why do I need this again? This is a tool for dumbasses, or today's youth since they need their hand held on everything so they don't hurt themselves.

yeah my dads been woodworking and doing home repair projects for about that long. he hasnt had any accidents until the last 7 or 8 years where he cut a finger pretty bad each time...and each time its because he was being pretty careless. got a pretty nasty cut from a table saw into his thumb one time.

still, this is a pretty neat safety mechanism and i since it doesnt require anything extra out of the user i dont really see it as hand holding.

 

[911paramedic]

What happens when the blade shatters from stopping so quickly? At first I thought the blade was simply dropped rapidly, and seems like a better idea to me. Shit, just gave away a million dollar invention...again.

 

[BoomerD]

Not sure why the blade would shatter...it gets "braked" by being jammed into a block of soft aluminum, along with some springs to absorb SOME of the shock.

I suppose it COULD happen, especially with a cheap-ass blade, but it SHOULDN'T shatter.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
This is a tool for dumbasses, or today's youth since they need their hand held on everything so they don't hurt themselves.

*TODAY's* youth? How many old timers with years of experience have chopped a finger off? Plenty. I'm not saying a person shouldn't be personally accountable, but you can't say this is isolated to "today's youth"

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic
What happens when the blade shatters from stopping so quickly? At first I thought the blade was simply dropped rapidly, and seems like a better idea to me. Shit, just gave away a million dollar invention...again.

Except the dog under the table wouldn't be too happy about it

 

[MikeMike]

Wow, some of you are really fucking dense... my uncle, who would be around 75 now had he not been killed a few years ago, was a victim of a table saw while cutting some wood, sleeve got caught, and pulled through some fingers... (no this was not how he was killed, that was an RV accident where he was crushed to death)... that thing is phenomenal

 

[Engineer]

WOW!!! :shocked:

Thanks Rubycon...that is awesome!

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I have been using table saws and other tools that can cut off fingers in the blink of an eye for 30 years and have yet to cut any of my fingers. Why do I need this again? This is a tool for dumbasses, or today's youth since they need their hand held on everything so they don't hurt themselves.

Yes, you've got 30 years with no problems, but it only takes a second to lose a finger. Accidents happen, even to people that work with this stuff every day.

 

[edro]

Amazing!

What happens if you use pressure treated lumber that is still wet?
Every time I get pressure treated lumber, it is soaking wet.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Wow, some of you are really fucking dense... my uncle, who would be around 75 now had he not been killed a few years ago, was a victim of a table saw while cutting some wood, sleeve got caught, and pulled through some fingers... (no this was not how he was killed, that was an RV accident where he was crushed to death)... that thing is phenomenal

Your uncle was the victim of a violation of one of the basic safety rules.

NO loose clothing around rotating machinery.

Shit like that happens SO fast that there's usually no time to react before the person is fucked up...often beyond repair.

I've had to pick up fingers and hands off the ground over the years and bag them for transport to the hospital with the person who usually ignored one of the basic safety rules.
(this is also why you don't wear gloves working with rotating machinery; grinders, drill presses, etc.)

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Wow, some of you are really fucking dense... my uncle, who would be around 75 now had he not been killed a few years ago, was a victim of a table saw while cutting some wood, sleeve got caught, and pulled through some fingers... (no this was not how he was killed, that was an RV accident where he was crushed to death)... that thing is phenomenal

Your uncle was the victim of a violation of one of the basic safety rules.

NO loose clothing around rotating machinery.

Shit like that happens SO fast that there's usually no time to react before the person is fucked up...often beyond repair.

I've had to pick up fingers and hands off the ground over the years and bag them for transport to the hospital with the person who usually ignored one of the basic safety rules.
(this is also why you don't wear gloves working with rotating machinery; grinders, drill presses, etc.)

I've started using nitrile gloves with some things. If the nitrile catches on any moving parts it just tears but it's enough to keep me from getting metal shards in my hands.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
This is a tool for dumbasses, or today's youth since they need their hand held on everything so they don't hurt themselves.

Accidents can happen, safety equipment and precautions definitely minimize the chance of it, but anytime you're using the machines you are putting yourself at some risk. Anyone who has worked in a shop has plenty of stories of accidents happening from stupid reasons - some are from lack of preparation but other are just true accidents.

The guy who invented and had total faith in the machine still hesitated. I would never trust this thing with my fingers, but if shit happened and my fingers ran into the blade - I know i'll wish I had this.

A blade that might save a hand/fingers? I'm all for that.

 

[chuckywang]

He should just let natural selection take its course. He's like the guy who invented the seat belt.

 

[Modelworks]

One concern I might have with making something like this common is that people might become less afraid of the saw and get hurt in other ways. Not saying it is a bad thing, but knowing the saw can cut off a hand tends to make people more careful. Like rubber gloves in working with electricity, they do protect you from getting shocked, but don't ever for a second forget that the potential to kill you is there.

Chainsaws have safety mechanisms, but:

In Minnesota, fatality reports show that during a five-year period 19 people died. Seventeen, or nearly 90 percent, of the chainsaw deaths resulted from trees or branches falling on workers as they used a chainsaw.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Look. Anybody who uses a table saw without reading a book about table saw operation and safety is nuts and will assuredly injur themselves or somebody else at some point. They are extremely dangerous and LEAST of all because of the potential of cutting yourself on the blade. The far more common and likely scenario is a kickback where a part of the piece or the entire piece of wood you're cutting will be propelled back at you or whoever is behind your shoulder.

Now, one of the features of this saw that's not hyped is that it has a riving knife and a nice splitter. That's going to cut way down on the kickback, but many people remove them because they prevent dado cuts or get out of calibration.

As I already said, a circular saw guide rail from Festool or Eurekazone is where wood ripping is headed. This is cool, but it's a blunt safety feature for an antiquated tool.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I have been using table saws and other tools that can cut off fingers in the blink of an eye for 30 years and have yet to cut any of my fingers. Why do I need this again? This is a tool for dumbasses, or today's youth since they need their hand held on everything so they don't hurt themselves.

Good for you and your holier-than-thou attitude. I work in a machine shop where the average age is probably 50+ years and most everyone there has 20 plus years doing this for a living. Everyone has a story. All it takes is a split second of inattention. Glad to hear you're immune to human failings, though, since you are able to maintain perfect concentration at all times.

 

[rockyct]

My dad is getting into woodworking and bought this saw. It really is a quality saw so it's not like they slapped the technology on a Harbor Freight table saw. If it fires, it does destroy the brake cartridge as the saw blade from what I've been told. The firmware on the brake cartridge I guess can even be upgraded if they change it.

 

[Demo24]

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
I'm muted. How does it work?

I don't think the video mentioned. I'm guessing it's an electrical contact sensor using the saw blade as the conductor (kinda like those touch sensors for light control etc).

It did in the beginning actually. So good guessing because you hit it spot on! :thumbsup:

And while I may be extremely careful around these sorts of things I would definitely buy a saw with this ability. You just never know whats gonna happen and I'd rather loose a blade and some parts than parts of my body.

 

[Dessert Tears]

I knew a guy that cut himself across three fingers with a table saw ? none lost or dangling, but bad enough. He was working alone in the middle of the night, and a problem with the phones made him drip blood all over the place before someone got an ambulance. It turned out that he had been using the saw backwards, so the rotation pulled the pusher piece and his hand over the top.

The joke in a recent commercial for "The Bill Engvall Show" on TBS shows the kickback throwing a piece of wood forward through a window.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
I have been using table saws and other tools that can cut off fingers in the blink of an eye for 30 years and have yet to cut any of my fingers. Why do I need this again? This is a tool for dumbasses, or today's youth since they need their hand held on everything so they don't hurt themselves.

Me as well, but I don't share your opinion. This is great tech!

 

[bctbct]

I know 2 people who have lost digits to the table saw. Both a pinky on the left hand.

 

[Tiamat]

it would have sucked if he wasn't nervous.

 

[WildHorse]

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[thecrecarc]

What if something wet contacts the saw blade? It would suck to lose 60$ everytime it rained a bit, or some water got on whatever you are working with.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: thecrecarc
What if something wet contacts the saw blade? It would suck to lose 60$ everytime it rained a bit, or some water got on whatever you are working with.

yea it sucks not to be able to drink while running a table saw