Safety Perception

DougK62

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Not really surprising. Violent crime is higher in cities, but people are out and about doing more inherently dangerous activities in the countryside.
 

Markbnj

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Agreed, wasn't that surprised when I read this today. People have been safer in cities, generally, for 5000 years.
 

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The first comment to this article sums everything up rather nicely. Somebody took a study performed for the medical profession to gauge where and how often accident related death occurred so they could better plan to handle the load of such care, and twisted it to read that the city is safer than the country. The study he is quoting, doesn't even begin to answer this question, let alone address it.

Conclusion: Using total injury death rate as an overall safety metric, US urban counties were safer than their rural counterparts, and injury death risk increased steadily as counties became more rural. Greater emphasis on elevated injury-related mortality risk outside of large cities, attention to locality-speci&#64257;c injury prevention priorities, and an increased focus on matching emergency care needs to emergency care resources are in order.

Basically you are more likely to die from a serious injury in rural areas. Not that urban areas are safer.
 
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Sluggo

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So in rural areas if you drive carefully and avoid wheat threshers you can theoretically live forever?
 

Vdubchaos

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As any Study, it's flawed.

It doesn't take into account the environment you will be living around and exposed to.

Anyone with even half common sense will know that whenever you expose someone to a certain environment.......their risks go up significantly.

Sheer # of cars/people amongst many other things makes City more dangerous.

Even if "statistics" or #s tell you otherwise.

If you were to do "accidents per Square Mile" vs "accidents per capita"....you would see totally different results.

I will take my chances with Suburbs and take peace/quiet and slow pace of life.

PS. I was born/raised in the City. And there is no way in HELL I would ever want to raise a family in one. No thank you.
 

DrPizza

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Not a surprise at all, though the conclusion is somewhat twisted. But, it does agree that in the countryside, you're safer from crime. Beyond that, it comes down to the relative dangers involved in the activities you willingly take part in. Wild guess: a much higher percentage of people living in the countryside hunt than people from the cities - so, hunting injury/death statistics will likely be skewed in that direction. Ditto huge swaths of other activities. And driving deaths? Look at the differences in speed limits.

edit: why did I say wild guess - it wasn't really a guess - I know more females who hunt than some of you have ever talked to.
 

PricklyPete

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The first comment to this article sums everything up rather nicely. Somebody took a study performed for the medical profession to gauge where and how often accident related death occurred so they could better plan to handle the load of such care, and twisted it to read that the city is safer than the country. The study he is quoting, doesn't even begin to answer this question, let alone address it.



Basically you are more likely to die from a serious injury in rural areas. Not that urban areas are safer.

Maybe this is a semantic thing, but isn't "safety" directly related to how likely you are to get injured/die? If not, what do you mean by "safer"?
 

PricklyPete

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Not a surprise at all, though the conclusion is somewhat twisted. But, it does agree that in the countryside, you're safer from crime. Beyond that, it comes down to the relative dangers involved in the activities you willingly take part in. Wild guess: a much higher percentage of people living in the countryside hunt than people from the cities - so, hunting injury/death statistics will likely be skewed in that direction. Ditto huge swaths of other activities. And driving deaths? Look at the differences in speed limits.

edit: why did I say wild guess - it wasn't really a guess - I know more females who hunt than some of you have ever talked to.

To me it is clear from the article that the main reason living in rural areas is more dangerous is because of automobile deaths. Living out in the country requires you to drive more often and likely at much higher rates of speed.
 

Vdubchaos

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Maybe this is a semantic thing, but isn't "safety" directly related to how likely you are to get injured/die? If not, what do you mean by "safer"?

Relativeto what?

Accidents per capita or Accidents per square mile?

Which do you think is more appropriate or accurate?

:biggrin:
 

Perknose

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Farm machinery accidents go unnoticed, but, historically, are significantly high.

There's roosters laying chickens and chickens layin' eggs
Farm machinery eating people's arms and legs
I wasn't hurtin' nobody
I wasn't hurtin' no one

-- John Prine

:biggrin:
 

waggy

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Not a surprise at all, though the conclusion is somewhat twisted. But, it does agree that in the countryside, you're safer from crime. Beyond that, it comes down to the relative dangers involved in the activities you willingly take part in. Wild guess: a much higher percentage of people living in the countryside hunt than people from the cities - so, hunting injury/death statistics will likely be skewed in that direction. Ditto huge swaths of other activities. And driving deaths? Look at the differences in speed limits.

edit: why did I say wild guess - it wasn't really a guess - I know more females who hunt than some of you have ever talked to.

I disagree that its hunting has much to do with the numbers.


I bet the number 1 cause is that it takes longer to get a ambulance, firefighters etc.

Add in when someone is hurt with farm machinery it's usually bad (ie loss of limbs etc) and minutes matter and help is slow (some cases they have to come from towns up to 20 miles away).

the odds of getting hurt from crime is lower but the fact that you are more likely to die from an accident does nto shock me at all
 

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Twisted article for sure. And that's just violent crime. That doesn't include petty theft like break ins to your house/apartment/car/ect which I'm sure is incredibly higher in an urban area than a rural one.

There's two things that typically kill "country" people. Occupation and alcohol. Farm equipment, forestry, electrical work, ect all have taken their share of lives that an office job won't. And with alcohol it's just the combination of lack of things to do and easy access to long stretches of road. Remove those and it's a very different argument.

Teenage driving + alcohol in the country is a big problem. My wife and I grew up 1000 miles apart, but both in rural settings. We both lost multiple classmates to drunk driving in high school.
 

purbeast0

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when watching those worlds dumbest shows on trutv the people who live in the rural boonies areas are the ones who are always doing the dumb shit because there is nothing else to do out there. i can definitely see accidents happening more often in those areas.
 

momeNt

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Dropping the first comment in here because others haven't.

Did anyone click on the link and actually read this study before getting pissed off at this second hand account? The study was commissioned by the Annual of Emergency Medicine with the purpose of gathering information regarding the current state of injury related deaths and what that might mean for people who, in a nutshell, allocate emergency resources. It's not a question of "city/rural living is better" as everyone seems to be making it out to be. The editor's summary conclusion for their audience is "although not directly relevant to clinical care, these data support improving access to trauma centers in rural areas, as well as continued violence prevention efforts in all locales." If you think that message sounds a lot different than, "flock to the cities everybody! country living is for fools with a deathwish!" it's because it is a lot different.

Everyone speaking flaws in the study because of crime rate needs to cool down. It's not measuring crime, it's measuring injury related deaths.

Want an example about what the study treats as a non-polarizing data point? How about that the rate of firearm related deaths in the city is no different than the country. In the city, it's mostly homicides of males between 20 and 44. In the country its mostly accidents involving children and people over the age of 45. The rates are comparable, the causes aren't. Wonder why they don't care about the distinction between the two? Because this is a study for the Annual of Emergency Medicine. They just don't care why the person in front of them has a bullet in them, it's not relevant to what they were trying to measure. They measure how often it happens so they can make an educated judgement about how they might improve quality of care. The study isn't insulting your choice of lifestyle or even making implications as to which is more beneficial to society as whole. It's simply stating that they wanted to measure the rate of injury related deaths between rural and urban areas, and this is what we found.



Read more: http://science.time.com/2013/07/23/...-are-the-safest-places-to-live/#ixzz2a4hkSiRk
 

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Thanks for posting that.

There's a lot of factors going on. Many rural people have access to hospitals, but it's usually via volunteer ambulance agencies or they only have access to low level emergency/cardiac services. If you live in the country and have a major heart attack you might be facing a 1+ hour drive or longer before you can get to a hospital with a cath lab or hope you can get a life flight out to you before you are in full arrest.

If you live in the city you might only be 15 minutes from a facility that can provide that. In situations where outcomes can change in the measurement of minutes that access is very significant.

So it's a double whammy of distance and less skilled emergency responders.
 

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The other interesting point I would like to see is a bullseye kind of grid that shows your chance of (accidental)death the further away you get from a city center.

I'd wager that there is some major overlap between the 'burbs on the outter crust of the city limits and up to 20 or so miles outside of that. Get past that point where your are 20+ minutes away from the edge of a major city and that accidental death range starts going up much faster.
 

momeNt

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The other interesting point I would like to see is a bullseye kind of grid that shows your chance of (accidental)death the further away you get from a city center.

I'd wager that there is some major overlap between the 'burbs on the outter crust of the city limits and up to 20 or so miles outside of that. Get past that point where your are 20+ minutes away from the edge of a major city and that accidental death range starts going up much faster.

I'd rather see a zone chance of death, break large cities up in zones too, so people can see which places are safest to live (either due to crime or hospital response).
 

jagec

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Sheer # of cars/people amongst many other things makes City more dangerous.

Even if "statistics" or #s tell you otherwise.

You don't know what "statistics" are, but you heard Rush Limbaugh talk about them once and hated them ever since. Right?
 

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I'd rather see a zone chance of death, break large cities up in zones too, so people can see which places are safest to live (either due to crime or hospital response).

I think anyone that regularly watches the news can show you with pretty good accuracy within a certain block radius where a person was killed at based upon the description and the demographics. Last two places I lived(Omaha, NE and Peoria, IL) were that way, Chicago isn't much different.

Where it gets more interesting is in places like Phoenix that have a lot of different things going on like border issues, gangs, serial killers sniping people off the highway, serial killers taking women off of trails, old people that can't drive for shit plowing through parking lots.

Or a whole 'nuther level of crazy like in Florida where you have to account for having your face bitten off by a zombified vagrant.
 

Ken g6

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Living in the country is more dangerous than living in the city? Oh, deer!

 

Jeff7

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So in rural areas if you drive carefully and avoid wheat threshers you can theoretically live forever?
People try, but you just can't. They're always on the prowl - even threshers can't handle a purely vegetarian diet.
 

Chiropteran

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Sheer # of cars/people amongst many other things makes City more dangerous.

Al those cars in city traffic are struggling to reach 20 mph, and accidents are almost never fatal. You might not see a car as often out in the country, but when hits you going 70 it's going to do some real damage.
 
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