Sam Smith announces new pronouns of ‘they’ and ‘them’

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child of wonder

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There's a strong case to be made for using preferred pronouns of "he" and "she" for transgender people, but not "they/them" or made up pronouns for non-binary or gender non-conforming people. The former could be argued as a biological condition (gender dysphoria) the person was born with and the latter is a cry for attention.
 

child of wonder

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Singular "they" goes back to the 14th century. Argue it out with history.

Yes, when discussing an unidentified "someone" in which the individual could be male or female (and as a replacement for the historical "he" in this situation), not as a singular, personal choice to supplant "he" or "she."

Sam Smith and others may ask people to use "they/them" pronouns, but no one should be legally required to use them.
 

Jaskalas

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A battle?

There are two genders, yes?
And what of people pushing to both teach and demand that we adhere to another, unaccepted, standard? It is like someone entering a discussion of metric VS imperial and then proclaiming a third unknown option is best, that not only shall it be taught but you must adhere to whatever they tell you. Then they try and make it a crime not to do so.
 

WelshBloke

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There are two genders, yes?
And what of people pushing to both teach and demand that we adhere to another, unaccepted, standard?
I'm not getting into an argument with you about gender politics but this bothers you enough to make it a battle?
You are constantly going on about how liberals should be understanding and accepting of the "deplorables", how about you show some the other way?
 
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No I wouldn’t. A landlord should be able to call their tenants whatever they want and the tenants should be able to respond the same. They don’t have to do business together if they don’t want to. Big Gov doesn’t need to step in and police the speech because somebody might get their feelings hurt.

And you said there wasn't a required/compelled speech which there is. It does make the point I think it makes.
I vote we ask the mods to change your name as it appears here to WhineyCockSucker. You clearly won’t mind if everyone else is ok with it.

Those in favour?
 

Jaskalas

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I'm not getting into an argument with you about gender politics but this bothers you enough to make it a battle?
You are constantly going on about how liberals should be understanding and accepting of the "deplorables", how about you show some the other way?

I am friendly to the trans people I know, even though I believe it is a mental illness.

But beyond that, Gender becomes a battle when we have a standard he/she and then a movement starts to not only upend the standard, but to cause conflict and harm people who do not adhere to their new terms. And this attempt to redefine things is sudden, from first hearing about it to people getting angry over it immediately after proclaiming their new terms.
 

WelshBloke

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I am friendly to the trans people I know, even though I believe it is a mental illness.
That doesn't sound that friendly tbh.
"I'll call you what I like and I'm angry that you asked me to call you something else. Also I think that you have a mental illness."
But beyond that, Gender becomes a battle when we have a standard he/she and then a movement starts to not only upend the standard, but to cause conflict and harm people who do not adhere to their new terms. And this attempt to redefine things is sudden, from first hearing about it to people getting angry over it immediately after proclaiming their new terms.
You seem pretty fragile about just being asked to use a different term when referring to someone! I mean it all seems a bit daft to me as well but I'm not the person constantly being referred to as a gender that I dont think applies to me and its absolutely no skin off my nose to use a different term.
 
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Remember the I don’t care part? Still don’t care.

Does baby want a ba-ba? Need dipey changed? Or do you need to change your tampon, darling? Seriously don't mess around with that and get toxic shock syndrome because you wanna throw a fit about how unfair it is you have to deal with that. Oh and if you're a dude, cut your hair or grow some facial hair or lose the tits. I'm tired of confusing you with Rosanne. (Ok that last one was low, you'd at least not try and blame it on Ambien. Actually the ironic part is I think she tried to be more accepting, well at least via the character on her show when they brought it back and one of her daughters had the boy that wanted to dress in girl's clothes.)
 

quikah

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I don't even understand why this matters. If someone would prefer to be called they/them, then just do it, why do you even care? If someone named William would prefer to be called Bill, they let you know and you call them Bill from then on. Just call people what they want to be called, it takes zero effort on your part. It is just a common courtesy.
 

Vic

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No I wouldn’t. A landlord should be able to call their tenants whatever they want and the tenants should be able to respond the same. They don’t have to do business together if they don’t want to. Big Gov doesn’t need to step in and police the speech because somebody might get their feelings hurt.

And you said there wasn't a required/compelled speech which there is. It does make the point I think it makes.

Persons bound into long-term contracts, such as leases, do have to do business with people they would otherwise prefer not to. And ensuring that such contracts are carried out peacefully and civilly has been a primary function of governments since the beginning of history.

Henceforth, I will refer to you as Fucking Idiot. I will expect you not to try to compel my speech into referring to you as anything else.
 

Vic

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Whatever floats a persons boat.. and as long as they forgive me if I stumble a few times.. We are set on this earth in part to be kind to eachother. Right?
You'd like to think so, but some people seem to find the societal expectation of basic common courtesy so threatening. They just don't feel freedom unless they're bullying someone or behaving otherwise anti-social.
 
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UglyCasanova

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I don't even understand why this matters. If someone would prefer to be called they/them, then just do it, why do you even care? If someone named William would prefer to be called Bill, they let you know and you call them Bill from then on. Just call people what they want to be called, it takes zero effort on your part. It is just a common courtesy.


It doesn’t matter and I think people should definitely strive to be polite to others. I think the pushback for a lot of people isn’t that they are going out of their way to try and be mean (some are of course), it’s just they see the whole idea of not just the pronouns but the idea of a gender spectrum in general as being absurd and they don’t really want to be part of it, and indulging in what they see to be a delusional fantasy only bolsters it. Right or wrong I’d imagine that’s the rationale.
 

cytg111

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It doesn’t matter and I think people should definitely strive to be polite to others. I think the pushback for a lot of people isn’t that they are going out of their way to try and be mean (some are of course), it’s just they see the whole idea of not just the pronouns but the idea of a gender spectrum in general as being absurd and they don’t really want to be part of it, and indulging in what they see to be a delusional fantasy only bolsters it. Right or wrong I’d imagine that’s the rationale.
Arh wont you stuff it trumpsterboy, your golden retarded calf has done everything to alienate that segment, from transgender ban in military to healthcare .. having Pence as a sidekick is just icing on the cake for you hateful homophobic mysogenic sobs. You vote for the tard you own all that shit, spare me the fake lying dishonest "Right or wrong I’d imagine that’s the rationale." idiocy. Please.
 

Greenman

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Arh wont you stuff it trumpsterboy, your golden retarded calf has done everything to alienate that segment, from transgender ban in military to healthcare .. having Pence as a sidekick is just icing on the cake for you hateful homophobic mysogenic sobs. You vote for the tard you own all that shit, spare me the fake lying dishonest "Right or wrong I’d imagine that’s the rationale." idiocy. Please.
Interesting response to a statement he didn't make.
This isn't about Trump, it's about a fellow announcing his new pronoun. A concept designed to foster confrontation and confusion. One can no longer politely refer to another as mam or sir without risking insult, or being corrected. The entire point of the exercise is to announce your sexulaty to the world and demand it become the central theme when meeting someone. This isn't about acceptance and inclusiveness, it's passive aggressive confrontation, and it's stupid.
 

brandonbull

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That doesn't make the point you appear to think it makes. If I was your landlord, and I repeatedly addressed all my formal correspondence to you as "Miss Loser Bitch," for example, you'd push for a law to stop that too.
And given that just being gay in NYC was a felony within my lifetime, and the fact that tens of millions of Americans desperately want being LGBT to be a felony again, it's very clear to me as to just who are the oppressors and who are the oppressed here.
But that's the thing, isn't it? Some people see freedom as a zerosum game. The freedom of others always threatens them, for some reason.

Calling someone by their gender is not an opinion unlike "Miss Loser Bitch". Pretty sure there are laws against making unfounded and harassing claims.
 

cytg111

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Interesting response to a statement he didn't make.
This isn't about Trump, it's about a fellow announcing his new pronoun. A concept designed to foster confrontation and confusion. One can no longer politely refer to another as mam or sir without risking insult, or being corrected. The entire point of the exercise is to announce your sexulaty to the world and demand it become the central theme when meeting someone. This isn't about acceptance and inclusiveness, it's passive aggressive confrontation, and it's stupid.
But of course he did. Read it again. Harder.

"The entire point of the exercise is to announce your sexulaty to the world and demand it become the central theme"

- Oh FFS, people have been doing this FOREVER, there is ALWAYS that cat who demands attention due to some lame as shit as an expensive car or some tattoo on his/her neckface or some chicken shit badge that denotes you belong to some outlaw gang. Cry me a concern river. Its people for fucks sake.
Have one of these people hurt you by correcting you in a stern tone in regards to their gender? Are you a victim? Why are you not out of fucks to give? Really?
 
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