Samsung 215TW

Apr 19, 2004
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Just bought it - love it! Bit of backlight bleed in X pattern, but only noticeable in REALLY dark room with totally black screen - can't really see it in actual use.

No dead pixels - nice color adjustments - great deal!
 

samduhman

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Read the LCD buyers guide thread at top. I made a bunch of posts about it over the past week or so.
 

wwswimming

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i have its brother, the 213T. it's a 21" LCD, real similar to the 215T.

anyway, i really like the 213T. had it for about a year.
 

BreezyCool

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I have a few things to say about the Samsung 215tw.

This is my first LCD monitor. I was looking for something that would be as good as my CRT for photo editing (amateur photographer) and do games reasonably well. My CRT is a Viewsonic A90f+ 19 incher - not a pro monitor for certain, but calibrates reasonably well with my Gretag Macbeth Eye One Display (Version 1). Since I do photography more than games, this was my higher priority.

I tried a 970P because of good reviews. However, I can confirm the 6-bitness of this monitor. Horrible banding in gradients. The 2x2 dithering made my photos look much more noisy that they really were. It did games great, but the problems it had with photos made me take it back.

I then got the 215tw. I immediately confirmed the 8-bitness (smooth/no flickering in test gradients). Here's my quick review based on no other LCD experience:

My calibration settings: Bright 27, Contrast 72, Red 34, Green 43, Blue 33 - calibrated to 6500K with Eye One.

The contrast was great. Colors were vivid and clean. I never knew how sharp my D60 and 20D cameras were until I displayed the images on the LCD. It was astounding!

Color accuracy compared well with my non-pro CRT: All images edited on the 215tw were confirmed on the CRT for accuracy (for about 2 weeks now) and I have yet to make any tweaks after reviewing on the CRT. In fact, my CRT images were always a bit flat when compared to my printouts. I've gotten used to it - however, with the extra contrast of the 215tw, the images on the screen match the calibrated printouts in saturation and contrast. Finally... what I see is what I print.

Color Gamut: Using eye-one's software I reviewed the gamut compared to the CRT. The gamut was actually wider than my CRT! (Did I have a sucky CRT all this time?) The Gamut in the light greens, light blues and reds are wider. However, the gamut of the 215tw was smaller in the dark blues. This is probably due to the fact that with back-lights, LCD's just can't get as dark as a CRT.

Color accuracy: Using the Eye-One display, I retested both the CRT and LCD several days after calibration. The CRT displayed an average color difference of 0.76, while the LCD averaged at 0.86 (biggest color differences were in dark blues, but nothing over 3). Based on my old colorimeter, the LCD was pretty darned accurate after calibration.

So, the 215tw certainly passes my scientific tests. If I wasn't clear, it had passed my looks-good-to-my-eye test with flying colors right out of the box!

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I put a break here because this is where my review takes a twist. I was reading the anadtech forums and was concerned that I overpaid for what I was getting. I had played some games and did notice significant ghosting (compared to a CRT) and also heard how well the viewsonic VX2025wm did with this as well as with colors. Before returning my 215tw because of what I heard, I picked up a VX2025wm to look at these side by side (I do love the liberal return policies of some stores).

Now I can intelligently speak on other aspects of the 215tw:

Backlight Bleed: Even at max settings on an all-black screen, the backlight bleed is minimal and can only be seen if all the lights are out at night. At my settings, I have to move my head around and really look for any sign of bleed in the corners in a dark room. I really didn't know what backlight bleed was until I saw the VX2025wm. It was atrocious on that monitor. Even at normal settings, in a lit room, I was still able to see bleed in all corners. This would be enough to affect the appearance of photos in those areas! Big minus for the 2025.

Ghosting in tests: I did the behardware.com test (photograph the moving car at shutter speed of 1/1000s) In this test, the 2025 wins hands down. Images at the end of the refresh cycle on the 2025 showed little, if any, left-over's from the previous frame. Meanwhile the 215tw showed remnants of up to 2 or 3 previous frames. So the 215tw's 8ms is significantly slower than the 2025's 8ms.

Ghosting in Games: I set up mirror mode and played COD2 and Oblivion side by side. If I paid close attention to the high contrast edges of the action, I did notice a difference iin favor of the 2025 - but the 2025 still ghosts. The affect is most noticeable when rotating your POV. As all the elements on screen are in motion, the whole image becomes a tad blurry. This affected both the 2025 and 215tw - and I could tell little difference between the two monitors under these extreme conditions. (If I were playing scrolling games, I guess I would not buy an LCD at all.) Long story short, if you are a hard-core gamer you probably don't want the 215tw. For me, the difference in the two monitors was just not perceptible enough to sway me one way or another.

Color / Contrast: Saturation, black depth and contrast is soooo much better on the 215tw. Did I miss a setting on the 2025? I only had it a few days so maybe I missed something - but I thought saturation and contrast wouldn't be that much different. On paper 1:800 and 1:1000 doesn't seem so far off. However, the images on the 215tw popped, while they just laid there on the 2025. It would be like comparing the burger in the menu with the one you actually get. As I said before, the images on my CRT always looked flat when compared to what printed on my high quality paper - the 215tw seemed much more in line with my printer. The 2025 would be like going back to my CRT.

Sharpness: Since the 2025 uses the same resolution on a smaller area, the screen initially appears sharper. However, significantly less contrast nullified this affect. Text at the same setting was more readable on the 215. Pictures had much more apparent sharpness.

Egro: I like to move around and kick back. Easy rotating and height adjustments of the 215tw make this much easier.

Viewing Angles: The contrast fade you get when viewing off center seems much more significant on the 2025. As I like to move around a lot, this would make it more of a problem.

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Did I get a bad 2025 or a good 215tw? I can't speculate, I am only relaying my experiences. For my purposes, the 215tw is a much better monitor - maybe not $200 better, but that's what I had to pay to get what I wanted.

-Andy
 

pkme2

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Since this was a new LCD, there's not to much on it. But after reading Breezycool's thread, I've taken notice. Samsung has always put out excellent monitors, ergo my 3 Dell LCDs, made by Samsung too.
The price range seems to be about $520+ . I would get a Dell 2007WFP for $325 though.
 

ProviaFan

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Excellent analysis, BreezyCool. Did you have the 215TW connected by an analog or digital connection for your testing? I am intrigued because you specify that you were able to set individual levels for R, G, and B channels - something that is not possible to do on my 213T when in DVI (but on the contrary, possible when using an analog connection). If the 215TW is capable of manipulating these levels while connected with DVI, I would be very interested [in considering it for a dual monitor scenario].
 

BreezyCool

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May 4, 2006
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I used the monitor with a DVI connection to my 7800gs video card (eVGA brand). When I had the 2025 for a few days, I moved the 215tw to the analog and set the video to "clone" mode so the same signal was going to both monitors - so I've used it with both connections.

RGB level adjustments on the 215tw are available with both connections. The only options disabled on DVI had to do with the A to D conversion (picture location/size/sharpness).

The RGB level settings didn't seem to behave the same on either LCD's as compared to the CRT's. Haven't tried to figure out the difference - rather I just kept the levels as close to the default (50 for the 215tw) while achieving the desired white point.

 

ProviaFan

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Excellent, thanks for the response.

I wonder if the 214T shares the same flexibility and improvement over the 213T...
 

xtknight

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BreezyCool: Thanks! That was very helpful to have a review from somebody with a colorimeter. I've added the 215TW before the VX2025WM for general usage recommendations...
 

redbox

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Brezzycool could you post a pic of the samsung running a banding program. I kinda want to see how it does on banding perhaps also on black light bleeding.
 

BreezyCool

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May 4, 2006
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Here's a p-base web site that will stay up for 30 days.

215tw test photos

It contains test-photos of th 215tw backlight bleed. The first pair of photos is at my default settings. The second are at the monitors "Game" setting (Brightness 90, Contrast 73). Each screen setting was photographed twice - one at normal exposure (equivalent to what I can see with my naked eye). The second in each pair is seriously overexposed (note the blurring of the white text on the screen).

For reference, and comparison of black-point levels, the edge of my CRT monitor can be seen.

As you can see, taking these type of photos are difficult. A simple matter of over-exposure can make a nearly non-existent backlight problem look really bad. I included the over-exposed images to illustrate the subjective nature of these photos.


About gradient photos: I was unable to get clean photos of gradients. For some reason the LCD Panel and its anti-glair screen interfere with my camera's sensor and it's anti-aliasing filter. The resulting pictures have really bad moiré patterns that do not exist in reality. (I noticed the same things in various LCD photos on www.behardware.com review pages - specifically the photos illustrating screen response time).

I put a few pictures up on the p-base site. These illustrate this photographic anomaly. I tried multiple exposures at various shutter speeds. The only thing that seemed to a help clear up this anamoly was putting the lens closer to the screen and making sure it was perpendicular to the screen.

I tried zooming in and getting the camera as close to perpendicular as I could to the monitor and included a few of these shots. However, any banding that you may think you see are most likely due to this same anomaly.

I must repeat, to stress this point - the moire lines you see in these photos are not visible to any degree at any setting or at any angle with your eyes. This is purely a photographic anomaly.

Hope this helps some.

-Andy
 

BernardP

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Very interesting information, BreezeCool.

I would also have a special request, if you can find the time, and it concerns use of the monitor at lower resolutions. The native 1680 X 1050 is really uncomfortable for me because the glasses I wear for high myopia make things even smaller. I would really appreciate your comments about how well the monitor scales @ 1152 X 720 and 1280 X 800.

Thanks
 

BreezyCool

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May 4, 2006
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With my Nvidia card and the installed monitor driver, I was limited to the following resolutions: (Maybe more would be available with the Analog connection - I didn't try that)

800x600, 1024x768, 1152x864, 1280x960, 1280x1024, 1600x900 and 1680x1050

The Nvidia driver allowed me to add custom resolutions. The following worked with the monitor:

960x600, 1024x640 and 1280x800

When I tried 1152x720, the monitor wigged out a bit - it didn't display the whole screen and the OSD showed options as if it were in some other mode than digital - displaying only the options available for the tv or composite inputs.

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In my initial review, I stated that my LCD seemed significantly sharper than my CRT. When using lower resolutions, the CRT had the upper hand in sharpness. You definitely loose that "crisp as a cracker" look that the 215tw has at native resolution. It is as if the CRT were using an advanced interpolation algorithm to up-rez the image while the LCD were using simple pixel doubling with a bit of anti-aliasing. From what I've read, this problem exists for pretty much all LCD's, so comparing it to my CRT was probably unfair.

However, the edges of letters still appear sharp and the text is quite readable. The lines don't appear any more jagged than they do on the CRT - the text just looks thicker. Pictures are not pixilated or blocky, just a tad blurred as compared to the CRT.

If I had owned more LCDs I could give you a better analysis - but this is the best I can do.

Note: Using the advance configuration mode of the NVidia Driver, you can tell the driver to use the video card to up-rez or to let the LCD panel up-rez on its own. I could not tell the difference when setting it to "Monitor Scaling" or "Display Adapter Scaling", so the LCD seems to scale as good as a 7800gs.

I think it would look just fine when used in lower resolutions. However, since the "crisp as a cracker" look will be lost, it would be like throwing away a significant portion of the value of the monitor. I probably will play my games at lower resolutions (now that I know how to enable low-rez widescreen modes). I just can't seem to get good frame rates in Oblivion at native resolution on my meager 7800gs.

If you plan on working in lower resolution I would highly recommend a trip to a store to see how it handles low-rez for yourself. From what I read, I believe it'll handle low rez better than most LCD's. If it will be good enough for you is something I cannot say.

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FYI:

One nice thing to note: The OSD of the monitor allows you to select 16:10 or 4:3 modes at any resolution. 4:3 mode will put black bars on each edge of the screen.

I measured it and the 21" Samsung, in 4:3 mode, has the same display size as my 19" viewsonic CRT.
 

jagello

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BreezyCool: You're doing a great service for us ! I'll buy this LCD too

However I'd like to ask something too. I''m very interested in that MagicBright2 feature since I got really dependent on switching screen profiles on my CRT. From the user manual it seems that this feature shwithes profiles including the setting of Brightness and contrast. Could You confirm this or they include the color temperature too ? Do You find these profiles useful when watching movies or reading text ?

The last thing is this "size" in the OSD. According to the manual there is the 4:3 option. Does that mean that if You set the resolution to 1280x1024 or 1024x768, there will be black vertical stripes on the left and right side of the screen ? How do games look in these smaller 4:3 resolution ? I mean how good is the interpolation of this monitor ? Are they playable that way?

thanks in advance!
 

BernardP

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Thanks a lot BreezyCool for the information. I am glad to know it works well @ 1280x800, which would be my preferred resolution.
 

kmmatney

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Breezycool,

How does the moitor work using "Fixed Aspect Ratio Timings", say at 1600 x 900 resolutions. You should get black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. My older 213T Samsung does that, allowing for proprtional scaling at non-native resolutions.
 

BreezyCool

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The MagicBright on the 215tw refers to a set of preset monitor configurations. Here are the settings:

Custom: All controls user selectable
Text: Con 63, Br 11 All colors set to 50
Internet: Con 68, Br 30 All colors set to 50
Game: Con 73, Br 90 All colors se to 50
Sports: Con 78, Br 100 Colors set to R15, G17, B50 which produces a cold color tone
Movie: Con 78, Br 100 Colors set to R39, G30, B26 which produces warm color tone

You can quickly switch between these modes with the press of one monitor button, rather than navigating the OSD menu. I really like that.

One "gotcha" is that if you are in one of the non-custom modes and attempt to alter any of the settings, you will be switched to "custom" mode, with the new settings having overwritten your own custom settings.

Another part of the MagicBright system is that you can use MagicTune software - which is a windows program that acts as an OSD. It doesn't add any functionality other than the ability to use the windows interface to alter the settings. The settings are remembered (and accessible through the OSD) even if the monitor is turned off or MagicTune is closed.

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Some additional FYI:

As I stated in my initial review, I first tried the 970p. I noticed the 215tw MagicBright implementation has fewer/different features than the 970p. Here are the differences:

In the 970p, you could select a portion of the screen to apply the MagicTune settings. So, if you were watching a movie in a window, you define just that window to use the "Movie" setting, keeping the rest of your workflow at your custom setting. The 215tw does not support this feature.

The 970p did not have an OSD or buttons to control monitor settings - you could only access them through MagicTune. The 215tw has buttons and an OSD - however the location and size of the OSD on screen (dead center) is not adjustable. Fortunately you can use MagicTune if, like me, you like to use dead center as your placement for your colorimeter.

The 215tw has multiple inputs, and supports PIP mode - even when using the DVI on a PC. I haven't tried this out yet - but I guess I could be watching my TV while working on my PC without having to go through any hardware/software. Just connect my cable box output to the 215tw and select PIP. If I connect the sound output of the cable box to the 215tw I could use its speakers for tv sound, keeping my pc speakers for movie. Talk about nuts - you could watch Doom while playing Doom. (Some people may puke at this idea - but it sounds neat).

Should you prefer to switch input sources, adjust volume or turn on/off PIP mode - all of these can be done with one button pushes as well as navigating the OSD menu.

Hope this helps.
 

KaranB

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I experimented around with a demo model of the 215Tw in futureshop last night. noticed the 4:3 option in the OSD too. The monitor was set to 1680x1050. Upon setting it to 4:3, it put black bars on the side but ofcourse everything looked compressed. I shouldve tried setting the resolution to a 4:3 format too but never got the chance to.
 

BreezyCool

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May 4, 2006
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The 4:3 mode puts black bars on the left and right. In that mode, it is effectively the same as my 19" monitor (maybe a few mm more viewing area), in terms of aspect ratio.

This is good for maxing out framerates on the newer games, while not distorting the image by supporting the 4:3 aspect ratio. It is a total bonus for those who do not know how to select "fixed aspect ratio timing" on their video card driver - or for those who's video card driver does not support this feature. It is obviously a feature they added to support the TV (composite and svideo) inputs - but it works equally well on the PC for non-native resolutions.

The image quality is subject to the same scaling as any non-native resolution (see above comments)

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If I haven't already mentioned, I highly recommend that you buy from a store with a good return policy if you are not absolutely sure of what you are getting - at least when it comes to monitors. I buy all my stuff online except monitors. I fork out the extra dough to get it from BestBuy or CompUSA who have satisfaction guarantee, no restocking fee monitor return policies. If I like the monitor, I resist the temptation to return the monitor and order the same thing on line - I feel I've got my moneys worth by paying for the return policy (I know - how "noble" of me).

This is how I saved myself when I placed too much trust in on-line reviews of the 970p.


 

BreezyCool

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Originally posted by: kmmatney
Breezycool,

How does the moitor work using "Fixed Aspect Ratio Timings", say at 1600 x 900 resolutions. You should get black bars on the top and bottom of the screen. My older 213T Samsung does that, allowing for proprtional scaling at non-native resolutions.


I found the 215tw to behave the same way with "Fixed Aspect Ratio Timings". So you can scale at non-native aspect ratios and avoid distortion.

"Centered" mode displays the best looking results as no pixel stretching is performed. However, you have black bars on all sides of the image, since you are using only 1600x900 pixels of the 1680x1050 display. Don't see much point in that, other than giving you more options for frame-rate tweaking in gaming.

Note: It appears as though any option other than "monitor scaling" is not available in the custom screen resolutions I added for testing, including 1280x800 and 1024x640. I'm guessing this is a driver issue.
 
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