Samsung 710T

[marffeus]

Ok, so the real difference between this panel and the 172X is price , design and a 600:1 ratio? I dunno which I shoud get; so confused... I guess the 710T is a better deal because even though the 172 is sexier, I wouldnt mind saving the extra $$$ towards my X800 PE.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: marffeus
Ok, so the real difference between this panel and the 172X is price , design and a 600:1 ratio? I dunno which I shoud get; so confused... I guess the 710T is a better deal because even though the 172 is sexier, I wouldnt mind saving the extra $$$ towards my X800 PE.

THe only reason the 172x is sexier is that its power isnt integrated, it has an external power brick. With the 710T you just plug it straight into the wall.

Id say 710T, but it matches my other black computer parts. Oh, and I don't see how one could consider the 710T ugly, by any means. It looks great from where I am sitting.

 

[Frozen7]

I just recently bought this monitor from newegg. It's a very nice monitor and rivals my brother's Sony CRT. The saving of desktop space is great, and the montior doesn't look ugly at all. The response time in games - UT 2k4 and far cry is good, no ghosting what so ever. I'll try those games again on my new system with DVI, but the analog looks crisp and clean.

For those who have to type papers or even look at these forums, the tilting display aspect is an interesting feature. Currently I have the display on its side (pics later - little late). The one annoying thing about it being on its side is the angle at which the display looks the best. It may just be how it's situated, but the looks are kinda hurting my eyes.

Anyone conerend about weight should have no probelm with this monitor. It's pretty hefty and in no way seems like it'll falll over. Overall I'm just happy with its preformance and glad I got this monitor. Now it's time for sleep, more about the display later.

 

[Sarge1]

Excelsior, have you tried running anything like the UT2K4 benchmark program or something like that?
Something so you can just sit back and watch the whole screen instead of concentrating on whatever it is you are shooting or doing at the moment?
Just for comparison and evaluation.

Hey, and how's that refurb 9700 Pro running?

 

[Tab]

Uh, this isn't the "king of gaming monitors" I've seen lots of Analog only LCD monitors that look just as good as the ones with DVI. I don't see whats so great about this monitor, I'd take a 172x if it didnt ghost like crazy and was affordable. The only thing I would change on the 172x besides the ghosting is that I would make the AC/DC Adapter internal and put some intergrated speakers in it. (Some of the models don't ghost, however rumor is while Sasmung was making the monitor the manufacture stopped manufacturing the 12ms panels and they were forced to switch to something esle. Not to mention I am not sure if I beileve in the "pixel twist" rating system. I beileve that some companies might just be rating the time it takes for a pixel to twist and untwist from yellow to green resulting in a low pixel respone but still you have ghosting. I don't have any real proof but it seems logical as we have some supposedly low response time monitors that ghost like crazy.) The monitor itself is the best looking one I've ever seen. If you the 710T is a gaming monitor well, what about lan parties? Thats not a foldable stand is it? I think the view angle arugement is illogical, how often do you look at your monitor from more than a 60 degree angle? I was running a Nec 1530v which is a 25ms and I just went and got a Nec 1765 that is a 12ms. I can see aboslutely no difference in ghosting, the 1765 does look more colorfull but that has to do with the panel. I know some of the panels use some dithering effect to make it seem like its a 24-bit panel but in reality it isnt. I think one of the AnAnd articles explained what dithering is.

 

[s2kpacifist]

I hope Anandtech or SOMEBODY does a comparison of both of these monitors, cause I'm ready to drop my money for one of these in September, and I have no idea which one.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Sarge1
Excelsior, have you tried running anything like the UT2K4 benchmark program or something like that?
Something so you can just sit back and watch the whole screen instead of concentrating on whatever it is you are shooting or doing at the moment?
Just for comparison and evaluation.

Hey, and how's that refurb 9700 Pro running?

Wait..you remember when bought the refurb from newegg?

Well, it worked ok, but had the rolling lines problem, and cold boot issues..I eventually rmad it. The second 9700Pro had some of the same issues..so the 2nd time I rmad it I asked for a new revision 3, they complied. I ended up with a brand spanking new revision 3 9700Pro. I have had ZERO problems, in any way.

My HD just died, so I won't be able to run any more comparisons for a while. I am on a much slower computer in the other room. I am going to the beach for a week too, sorry. When I get back, Ill do a fresh install with the new cats, and start testing again.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Uh, this isn't the "king of gaming monitors" I've seen lots of Analog only LCD monitors that look just as good as the ones with DVI. I don't see whats so great about this monitor, I'd take a 172x if it didnt ghost like crazy and was affordable. The only thing I would change on the 172x besides the ghosting is that I would make the AC/DC Adapter internal and put some intergrated speakers in it. (Some of the models don't ghost, however rumor is while Sasmung was making the monitor the manufacture stopped manufacturing the 12ms panels and they were forced to switch to something esle. Not to mention I am not sure if I beileve in the "pixel twist" rating system. I beileve that some companies might just be rating the time it takes for a pixel to twist and untwist from yellow to green resulting in a low pixel respone but still you have ghosting. I don't have any real proof but it seems logical as we have some supposedly low response time monitors that ghost like crazy.) The monitor itself is the best looking one I've ever seen. If you the 710T is a gaming monitor well, what about lan parties? Thats not a foldable stand is it? I think the view angle arugement is illogical, how often do you look at your monitor from more than a 60 degree angle? I was running a Nec 1530v which is a 25ms and I just went and got a Nec 1765 that is a 12ms. I can see aboslutely no difference in ghosting, the 1765 does look more colorfull but that has to do with the panel. I know some of the panels use some dithering effect to make it seem like its a 24-bit panel but in reality it isnt. I think one of the AnAnd articles explained what dithering is.

Dude..paragraphs. And what the hell are you talking about? The 172x and the 710T both should, in theory (and in my own use) have the lowest amt of ghosting on LCDs period. What is great about the 172x is its design and response time. Sure I agree it looks better than the 710T, but it is also more expensive and not black.

I still have no clue what you are babbling about. These monitors don't ghost like crazy. What about lan parties? are you on crack? It weighs ~13lbs for christs sake. Who gives a sh!t about the stand? All I know is that it is solid, and not too big.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: s2kpacifist
I hope Anandtech or SOMEBODY does a comparison of both of these monitors, cause I'm ready to drop my money for one of these in September, and I have no idea which one.

If you care more about the look of the monitor, and want silver, get the 172x. If you want black and to spend a bit less, get the 710T. THe screens are pretty much IDENTICAL.

 

[marffeus]

Thanks for the help excelsior. I was not trying to imply that the 710T is ugly by any means of the word. I just mean in comparison to the 172X, the 172X is a sleeker looking model than the 710T (all opinion obviously though).

Samsung makes great looking products I cannot really remember a time I have seen ANY of thier products and said that its a design only a mother could love.

I still would like to get a comprehensive review of the 710T before purchasing it, or even better, a side by side comparison of the two panels, since they are in fact almost identical.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: marffeus
Thanks for the help excelsior. I was not trying to imply that the 710T is ugly by any means of the word. I just mean in comparison to the 172X, the 172X is a sleeker looking model than the 710T (all opinion obviously though).

Samsung makes great looking products I cannot really remember a time I have seen ANY of thier products and said that its a design only a mother could love.

I still would like to get a comprehensive review of the 710T before purchasing it, or even better, a side by side comparison of the two panels, since they are in fact almost identical.

Yeah I know, I didn't direct that to you, but to someone else. It IS sleeker looking because it doesnt have the power supply in the monitor itself. It is an external powerbrick. Not hard to understand. They could have done the same thing with the 710T, but then itd be a black 172x. Yeah..but a side by side comparison would show you that they are indeed pretty much the same panel.

 

[MadScientist]

Just got my 17" 710T a few days ago from Dell. With 10% off, a $30. coupon, and free shipping it was $443. total. We set it up in clone mode with my son's Samsung 19" 955DF CRT on his 9800 Pro at 1280 x 1024. He's a graphic design major and until he saw the picture on the 710T he didn't think there was any LCD that could match or better the 955DF. After playing various different games we saw no ghosting on the 710T. The 710T was also clearer and crisper than the 955DF. The screen area of the 2 monitors was about the same. The only adjustment I made to it out of the box was lowering the brightness. We also cloned it against my daughter's 16 ms 17" Planar PX171M LCD with the 710T connected to the analog and the PX171M to the DVI. The PX171M was no match for the 710T. The picture on the 710T was much better. My son wants one.

Cons: Not many. It's not the best looking monitor but it's not fugly. The black on black OSD buttons are impossible to see. The settings, especially those for color calibration, of the MagicTune monitor calibration software that comes with it are very subjective. I have not found a monitor calibration program yet that works well with LCD monitors. Short of using an expensive colorimeter, does anyone know where to find a good cheap (free is better) one?

 

[Excelsior]

I was wondering the same thing about calibration. Oh, and thats great that the 710T is working well for you guys.

 

[luco]

I love this monitor. Instead of reposting, you can read my impressions here.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Tabb
Uh, this isn't the "king of gaming monitors" I've seen lots of Analog only LCD monitors that look just as good as the ones with DVI. I don't see whats so great about this monitor, I'd take a 172x if it didnt ghost like crazy and was affordable. The only thing I would change on the 172x besides the ghosting is that I would make the AC/DC Adapter internal and put some intergrated speakers in it. (Some of the models don't ghost, however rumor is while Sasmung was making the monitor the manufacture stopped manufacturing the 12ms panels and they were forced to switch to something esle. Not to mention I am not sure if I beileve in the "pixel twist" rating system. I beileve that some companies might just be rating the time it takes for a pixel to twist and untwist from yellow to green resulting in a low pixel respone but still you have ghosting. I don't have any real proof but it seems logical as we have some supposedly low response time monitors that ghost like crazy.) The monitor itself is the best looking one I've ever seen. If you the 710T is a gaming monitor well, what about lan parties? Thats not a foldable stand is it? I think the view angle arugement is illogical, how often do you look at your monitor from more than a 60 degree angle? I was running a Nec 1530v which is a 25ms and I just went and got a Nec 1765 that is a 12ms. I can see aboslutely no difference in ghosting, the 1765 does look more colorfull but that has to do with the panel. I know some of the panels use some dithering effect to make it seem like its a 24-bit panel but in reality it isnt. I think one of the AnAnd articles explained what dithering is.

Dude..paragraphs. And what the hell are you talking about? The 172x and the 710T both should, in theory (and in my own use) have the lowest amt of ghosting on LCDs period. What is great about the 172x is its design and response time. Sure I agree it looks better than the 710T, but it is also more expensive and not black.

I still have no clue what you are babbling about. These monitors don't ghost like crazy. What about lan parties? are you on crack? It weighs ~13lbs for christs sake. Who gives a sh!t about the stand? All I know is that it is solid, and not too big.

Do you honestly beileve your going to see a difference between a 12ms panel and a 16ms panel? No, you're not. I could careless, how much it weighs. I'd perfer a foldable stand over a solid one.

As for ghosting....

172x Ghosting...

and thats just the first one from google, I'll edit my post as I was posting it at 4AM

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Tabb
Uh, this isn't the "king of gaming monitors" I've seen lots of Analog only LCD monitors that look just as good as the ones with DVI. I don't see whats so great about this monitor, I'd take a 172x if it didnt ghost like crazy and was affordable. The only thing I would change on the 172x besides the ghosting is that I would make the AC/DC Adapter internal and put some intergrated speakers in it. (Some of the models don't ghost, however rumor is while Sasmung was making the monitor the manufacture stopped manufacturing the 12ms panels and they were forced to switch to something esle. Not to mention I am not sure if I beileve in the "pixel twist" rating system. I beileve that some companies might just be rating the time it takes for a pixel to twist and untwist from yellow to green resulting in a low pixel respone but still you have ghosting. I don't have any real proof but it seems logical as we have some supposedly low response time monitors that ghost like crazy.) The monitor itself is the best looking one I've ever seen. If you the 710T is a gaming monitor well, what about lan parties? Thats not a foldable stand is it? I think the view angle arugement is illogical, how often do you look at your monitor from more than a 60 degree angle? I was running a Nec 1530v which is a 25ms and I just went and got a Nec 1765 that is a 12ms. I can see aboslutely no difference in ghosting, the 1765 does look more colorfull but that has to do with the panel. I know some of the panels use some dithering effect to make it seem like its a 24-bit panel but in reality it isnt. I think one of the AnAnd articles explained what dithering is.

Dude..paragraphs. And what the hell are you talking about? The 172x and the 710T both should, in theory (and in my own use) have the lowest amt of ghosting on LCDs period. What is great about the 172x is its design and response time. Sure I agree it looks better than the 710T, but it is also more expensive and not black.

I still have no clue what you are babbling about. These monitors don't ghost like crazy. What about lan parties? are you on crack? It weighs ~13lbs for christs sake. Who gives a sh!t about the stand? All I know is that it is solid, and not too big.

Do you honestly beileve your going to see a difference between a 12ms panel and a 16ms panel? No, you're not. I could careless, how much it weighs. I'd perfer a foldable stand over a solid one.

As for ghosting....

172x Ghosting...

and thats just the first one from google, I'll edit my post as I was posting it at 4AM

Please tell me where I said you would see a difference between 16 and 12. :roll:Thats fine if you prefer a foldable stand to a solid one, but still, LCDs are already small, and much easier to take to a lan party than any CRT. How much is the stand gonna make a difference? You must be short for space..drive a pinto?

Maybe teh 172x has some strange ghosting problem I don't know about..but I played UT with my 710T and it looked great, and Ive used a Vp171b before.

 

[marffeus]

Ok, well after reading various comments on the 710T I decided I am going to order one from Dell.com. So other than the 10% discount, what else is available money saving wise?

TextJust got my 17" 710T a few days ago from Dell. With 10% off, a $30. coupon, and free shipping it was $443

How if possible could I obtain the $30 coupon?

Thanks for all the great information.

 

[Excelsior]

Thats awesome dude, tells us what you think when you get it.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Tabb
Uh, this isn't the "king of gaming monitors" I've seen lots of Analog only LCD monitors that look just as good as the ones with DVI. I don't see whats so great about this monitor, I'd take a 172x if it didnt ghost like crazy and was affordable. The only thing I would change on the 172x besides the ghosting is that I would make the AC/DC Adapter internal and put some intergrated speakers in it. (Some of the models don't ghost, however rumor is while Sasmung was making the monitor the manufacture stopped manufacturing the 12ms panels and they were forced to switch to something esle. Not to mention I am not sure if I beileve in the "pixel twist" rating system. I beileve that some companies might just be rating the time it takes for a pixel to twist and untwist from yellow to green resulting in a low pixel respone but still you have ghosting. I don't have any real proof but it seems logical as we have some supposedly low response time monitors that ghost like crazy.) The monitor itself is the best looking one I've ever seen. If you the 710T is a gaming monitor well, what about lan parties? Thats not a foldable stand is it? I think the view angle arugement is illogical, how often do you look at your monitor from more than a 60 degree angle? I was running a Nec 1530v which is a 25ms and I just went and got a Nec 1765 that is a 12ms. I can see aboslutely no difference in ghosting, the 1765 does look more colorfull but that has to do with the panel. I know some of the panels use some dithering effect to make it seem like its a 24-bit panel but in reality it isnt. I think one of the AnAnd articles explained what dithering is.

Dude..paragraphs. And what the hell are you talking about? The 172x and the 710T both should, in theory (and in my own use) have the lowest amt of ghosting on LCDs period. What is great about the 172x is its design and response time. Sure I agree it looks better than the 710T, but it is also more expensive and not black.

I still have no clue what you are babbling about. These monitors don't ghost like crazy. What about lan parties? are you on crack? It weighs ~13lbs for christs sake. Who gives a sh!t about the stand? All I know is that it is solid, and not too big.

Do you honestly beileve your going to see a difference between a 12ms panel and a 16ms panel? No, you're not. I could careless, how much it weighs. I'd perfer a foldable stand over a solid one.

As for ghosting....

172x Ghosting...

and thats just the first one from google, I'll edit my post as I was posting it at 4AM

Please tell me where I said you would see a difference between 16 and 12. :roll:Thats fine if you prefer a foldable stand to a solid one, but still, LCDs are already small, and much easier to take to a lan party than any CRT. How much is the stand gonna make a difference? You must be short for space..drive a pinto?

Maybe teh 172x has some strange ghosting problem I don't know about..but I played UT with my 710T and it looked great, and Ive used a Vp171b before.

You didn't say that you would see a difference between 16ms and 12ms but you did say...

Yeah, it is 25ms. Might want to check out some with at least 16. That would/should be a big difference.

You're not going to notice a difference between 12ms panel and a 25ms panel, well at least for 99.9% of people. I own a Nec 1765v and a Nec 1530, I think the 1765 is a 12ms paneL? Or its a 16? Anyway, on my 1530v the 25ms panel I can only see ghosting when I play Half-Life and I have netstat enabled, its a network connection/fps meter. The fps meter for me fluxs between 100 and 99 very fast, and this is the only ghosting I can find in the monitor what so ever. On my 1765v which is a 12 or 16 panel I don't have any ghosting on that. I seriously don't consider that to be a a issuse at all, as we could care less about minor ghosting of our fps meter. We are more concerned with our games and movies ghosting. It seems to me most people in this thread seem to be compeletely amazed about the 710T, its not the king of LCDs, its 4 inches away from greatness, not that I wouldn't like to buy if it was more affordable.

Ex, everyone already knows that LCDs are much more portable than CRTs, but the points in the conversation aren't about CRTs. I agreed, its more portable than a CRT, but a LCD with a foldable stand is more of "gaming lcd" than one that does not have it. What the hell does you're referal to car space have to do with anything? Anyone can get a LCD Monitor into any car. Would you like to carry around something with a nice peice of plastic sticking out the back (I would assume you should be able to detach the back plastic base, my friend can with his 712n. Not that really makes it that much better, its something seperate to carry and a greater possiblity of losing it.) or would you rather have something that folds up nicely that wont get nicked or completely busted off, I've seen it happen before, not funny. If you a want a portable LCD monitor you'll choose on with a foldable stand.

 

[Excelsior]

I won't quote that whole thing, itd be too big.

At least you admit you were wrong and put words into my mouth.

I seriously find it hard to believe that 99.9% of computer users would not notice a difference (if you mean non-gamers, then sure). To say there is no difference between 25ms and 16ms in gaming is fvcking dumb. Maybe you don't notice a difference, but I am pretty sure every reviewer and most other gamers notice a difference.

The reason they are amazed with it isn't because it is the god of LCDs, but because they might not have experienced many LCDs before. The only one I had used on my own computer was a VP171B, and I like my 710T more. When you say 4 inches from greatness, you mean youd like a 21"?

WTF?! An LCD with a foldable stand is more of a gaming LCD? ARE YOU SERIOUSLY RETARDED? GTFO!

I brought up car space, because obviously you care if the LCD can fold up as small as possible. I don't know about you, but I don't fvcking walk around with my LCD everywhere. If I go to lans, from my car to the room is no more than 100ft. Does having a folding stand make the least bit of difference? NO. And if someone would manage to completely take off the base of a 710T, they shouldnt be operating a computer.

 

[s2kpacifist]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: s2kpacifist
I hope Anandtech or SOMEBODY does a comparison of both of these monitors, cause I'm ready to drop my money for one of these in September, and I have no idea which one.

If you care more about the look of the monitor, and want silver, get the 172x. If you want black and to spend a bit less, get the 710T. THe screens are pretty much IDENTICAL.

My setup is a mix of both silver and black: Klipsch 5.1 ultras, the logitech keyboard, and a lian-li PC-65, so both monitors would look good, and in my opinion, both are relatively cheap for the best gaming LCD out there.

Anyways, aren't there differences in the panel itself? Alent1234 pointed out that the 710T is a TN screen while the 172X is a PVA. Isn't the 710T 8-bit, and the 172X 6-bit? Is there a noticable difference? Would someone buy a 172X and a 710T please?

 

[MadScientist]

Originally posted by: marffeus
Ok, well after reading various comments on the 710T I decided I am going to order one from Dell.com. So other than the 10% discount, what else is available money saving wise?

TextJust got my 17" 710T a few days ago from Dell. With 10% off, a $30. coupon, and free shipping it was $443

How if possible could I obtain the $30 coupon?

Thanks for all the great information.

You can find Dell coupon codes posted here.
Techbargains

They usually come out about once a week and are only good for a few days. The last few had a first 1500 user limit. There was one out last week for $35. off a $400. purchase.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
I won't quote that whole thing, itd be too big.

At least you admit you were wrong and put words into my mouth.

I seriously find it hard to believe that 99.9% of computer users would not notice a difference (if you mean non-gamers, then sure). To say there is no difference between 25ms and 16ms in gaming is fvcking dumb. Maybe you don't notice a difference, but I am pretty sure every reviewer and most other gamers notice a difference.

The reason they are amazed with it isn't because it is the god of LCDs, but because they might not have experienced many LCDs before. The only one I had used on my own computer was a VP171B, and I like my 710T more. When you say 4 inches from greatness, you mean youd like a 21"?

WTF?! An LCD with a foldable stand is more of a gaming LCD? ARE YOU SERIOUSLY RETARDED? GTFO!

I brought up car space, because obviously you care if the LCD can fold up as small as possible. I don't know about you, but I don't fvcking walk around with my LCD everywhere. If I go to lans, from my car to the room is no more than 100ft. Does having a folding stand make the least bit of difference? NO. And if someone would manage to completely take off the base of a 710T, they shouldnt be operating a computer.

I seriously find it hard to believe that 99.9% of computer users would not notice a difference (if you mean non-gamers, then sure). To say there is no difference between 25ms and 16ms in gaming is fvcking dumb. Maybe you don't notice a difference, but I am pretty sure every reviewer and most other gamers notice a difference.

Where did I say there is no difference between 25ms and 16ms in gaming? If you consider ghosting in a FPS Meter ghosting than I'll agree with you, but generally I am not. We don't care about minor ghosting of a FPS Meter, we care about our games and movies ghosting, which on my 1530v they do not. Give me 50MBs of webspace and I'll prove that you will not notice any difference in my 1530v and my 1765v.

Does having a folding stand make the least bit of difference? NO.

Yes it does, it might be a minor change but it is a change and does make a difference. You to be able to transport it as easily as possible, do you want a nice 12" plastic base stick out while you're walking to your spot at the lan? No you don't. You want something that you can transport as small and thin and less bulky as possible. Thanks for swearing at me, you're a really nice person. Maybe you should try making some actual valid points and proving me wrong that a LCD with a foldable base doesn't make a difference in transportabilty compared to one without.

 

[marffeus]

Originally posted by: MadScientist

Originally posted by: marffeus
Ok, well after reading various comments on the 710T I decided I am going to order one from Dell.com. So other than the 10% discount, what else is available money saving wise?

TextJust got my 17" 710T a few days ago from Dell. With 10% off, a $30. coupon, and free shipping it was $443

How if possible could I obtain the $30 coupon?

Thanks for all the great information.

You can find Dell coupon codes posted here.
Techbargains

They usually come out about once a week and are only good for a few days. The last few had a first 1500 user limit. There was one out last week for $35. off a $400. purchase.

Thanks Mad Scientist

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: s2kpacifist

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: s2kpacifist
I hope Anandtech or SOMEBODY does a comparison of both of these monitors, cause I'm ready to drop my money for one of these in September, and I have no idea which one.

If you care more about the look of the monitor, and want silver, get the 172x. If you want black and to spend a bit less, get the 710T. THe screens are pretty much IDENTICAL.

My setup is a mix of both silver and black: Klipsch 5.1 ultras, the logitech keyboard, and a lian-li PC-65, so both monitors would look good, and in my opinion, both are relatively cheap for the best gaming LCD out there.

Anyways, aren't there differences in the panel itself? Alent1234 pointed out that the 710T is a TN screen while the 172X is a PVA. Isn't the 710T 8-bit, and the 172X 6-bit? Is there a noticable difference? Would someone buy a 172X and a 710T please?

THat isnt true. Both have a TN screen. The only difference is the 710T is brighter, higher contrast ratio.