Originally posted by: s2kpacifist
Looked around a bit more, found out that yes, the 710T does in fact produce 24 bit color unlike the 172X. Hardforums has quite a lot of feedback on the 172Xs and 710Ts (Nice posts in both forums, Excelsior).
Originally posted by: bze4
Originally posted by: s2kpacifist
Looked around a bit more, found out that yes, the 710T does in fact produce 24 bit color unlike the 172X. Hardforums has quite a lot of feedback on the 172Xs and 710Ts (Nice posts in both forums, Excelsior).
People, I just wonder how easily you make assumptions? I've also read Hardforums, and the only thing I've seen is the same "Samsung USA has 24-bit color for 710T". I've seen a post that claims 710T's picture is better than 172X, and I've seen a post that both look, side-by-side, exactly the same, and finally I've seen a post that says 172X has a better picture than 710T. I also read earlier similar posts about 172X, wildly varying claims about it being PVA or TN, 12ms or 25ms and 16.2M colors vs. 16.7M colors.
Many people write that "172X is a PVA monitor", while it's been clearly attributed in Anandtech's/Tom's /Xbitlab's reviews that the 172X with PVA was _cancelled_, and the 172X that was brought to the market only a few months ago is now based on TN and is rated at 12ms (originally it was not, as PVA is not currently capable of low response times, especially grey-to-grey).
Now, after all this ranting, I'm still pretty convinced that 172X and 710T use the same panel, and both are 12ms 18-bit monitors which thus _may_ have problems with gradients, but that depends on the viewer. Stated contrast ratios are even more "marketing babble" than response times, and 500:1 and 600:1 might mean exactly the same as the actual contrast ratio varies depending on the monitor settings and can be as low as 250:1 for those monitors.
Also to be noted, manufacturers can't produce 24-bit 12ms monitors if no-one produces such panels, and I haven't seen any such notices either, pointing to the same fact - AFAIK all the 12ms and even 16ms panels use 18-bit color, and also the upcoming 10ms Hydis is reportedly 18-bit, as is 14ms Acer.
Originally posted by: s2kpacifist
Some people have said in the hardforums that the 710T is 18-bit.
If you run a search, 710T is listed with 24-bit color on the manufacturer's site. If you're positive that it is indeed 18-bit color, you can accuse Samsung (and other LCD manufacturers) for false advertising, since they list their LCDs, including the 710T, as having 16.7 million colors with a 12ms response time.
710T
Perhaps the 710T is a 16ms panel with real 24-bit color? Like you said, specs on the net are all over the place.
Originally posted by: s2kpacifist
If you run a search, 710T is listed with 24-bit color on the manufacturer's site. If you're positive that it is indeed 18-bit color, you can accuse Samsung (and other LCD manufacturers) of false advertising, since they list their LCDs, including the 710T, as having 16.7 million colors with a 12ms response time.
710T
Perhaps the 710T is a 16ms panel with real 24-bit color? Like you said, specs on the net are all over the place. 16.7 with 12ms, 16.2 with 12ms, 16.7 with 16ms....it goes on and on. I'm trusting the official specs on Samsung's website for now.
If the 172X and 710T do use the same panel, would that mean the 172X is over $100 more expensive because of how it looks? $100 is a bit too much for putting the power brick on the outside and making the case brushed aluminum...hell, my gigantic brushed aluminum Lian-Li case was $115. Something doesn't add up.
Originally posted by: drhill
I got my 710t yesterday. I'm liking it a lot. Doesn't seem to ghost. As far as I can tell it is a 24bit display, but I just need to get the colors/brightness/contract calibrated. Isn't there a site that gives you profile settings for lcd monitors (I remember how much fun it was adjusting my hdtv and the included samsung software is not cool)?
FarCry looked great, no ghosting. Thief 3 seemed .... washed out (not that I can play it till I get 4.8 cats for my x800).
Thief3's problem seems to be part of one slight annoyance I have with this monitor. Maybe it is normal (my first lcd). But at the top and bottom of the screen (centered from the sides) it looks like the backlight is shining through to the screen. Is this normal for lcds or did I get a defective one? Anyone?
Originally posted by: LanceM
I received a 710T today from Dell.
Was delighted to find zero dead pixels. However... with a black bg, there's quite a bit of light at the top of the screen, and a little bit around every edge. On lighter colors, I notice that the bottom-right area is easily lighter than the rest. There's a complete "dark to light" shading from upper-left to bottom-right going on if I change my desktop color to a mid-gray.
This is a very, very bright monitor. Ghosting is there on UT, but definitely not a big problem at all. Looks beautiful on full screen pictures/movies/games, but it's just so danged bright with a white background/black text situation.
Any config tips for this monitor?