Samsung 955 19" DynaFlat $200 shipped @ newegg

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Johnbear007

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Originally posted by: batmanuel
I ran into the same issues that cheap is talking about with my Viewsonic A90f+, which also won't do 85Hz at 1280x1024. And like he says, 1024x768 doesn't work for such a big monitor. What I've been doing is running mine at 1152x864 which my monitor can run at 85Hz. I have't used the Samsung, so I don't know if it does that resolution, but I find I really like that resolution a lot. It gives me a lot of desktop sapce, but at the same time has better text readability than 1280.

I run my A90f+ at 1280x1024 @ 85Hz all the time.
 

welst10

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Originally posted by: SuperShaz
Originally posted by: welst10
1280x1024@75hz is way too low refresh rates for FPS games.

I've been using this monitor for 3 years and I'm an avid gamer. I run at 1280x1024 and 75hz. My video card has always been more of a problem than my monitor. New games don't run well at 1600x1200 on standard video cards. I have a Radeon 9800 Pro and I never feel the need to try 1600x1200.

My point is that you can't just make a statement like "It is bad for gaming." That is not true at all. It is bad for 1600x1200 resolution, but that doesn't mean it is bad for gaming.

Where did I say "It is bad for gaming"? I said this is "not a great gaming monitor". 75Hz refresh rate (ie, the max frame rate you can achieve) is decent at best. A lot of people prefer >85hz for FPS games.
 

cheap

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Originally posted by: SuperShaz
Originally posted by: welst10
1280x1024@75hz is way too low refresh rates for FPS games.

I've been using this monitor for 3 years and I'm an avid gamer. I run at 1280x1024 and 75hz. My video card has always been more of a problem than my monitor. New games don't run well at 1600x1200 on standard video cards. I have a Radeon 9800 Pro and I never feel the need to try 1600x1200.

My point is that you can't just make a statement like "It is bad for gaming." That is not true at all. It is bad for 1600x1200 resolution, but that doesn't mean it is bad for gaming.

What about slightly older games? Like CS for example or quake3, at 1280 res you will be stuck with 75fps.

EDIT: It's a great budget monitor for a budget system though. I would've bought it for my lil brother's PC if I had extra dough right now.
 

SuperShaz

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Originally posted by: cheap
What about slightly older games? Like CS for example or quake3, at 1280 res you will be stuck with 75fps.

You aren't stuck at 75fps. The game can run faster than that. The monitor will redraw the screen 75 times per second. I can understand your concern. I was playing a game the other day and I got killed on the 74th refresh. If the screen had only refreshed 10 more times during that second, I probably would have been able to see the bullet in time to dodge it. Damn this monitor! Damn it to hell! Whats that you say? Counterstrike doesn't draw bullets while they are in the air? Nevermind then.

Seriously, anyone who tells you that they are a better gamer at 85hz than they are at 75hz, or that it is a more enjoyable experience at 85hz than 75hz, is just plain idiotic. They don't know what they are talking about. They just want to be elitist - "Oh, your rig is nice, but mine does 10 hz more than yours so mine is the most optimalist of the optimal gaming rigs, just like how my subwoofer goes (checks manual for specificiations) 2hz lower than yours in frequency and my car has .03 lbs more torque. I can tell the difference very easily. Honestly, I can."

But anyway, nobody is claiming this is the best monitor in the world. It is $200. Find me a monitor that is "great for gaming" for less.
 

cheap

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Maybe CS is a bad example since it's a really slow paced game. But take for example a really fast paced game like Quake3 or UT where you have to swing wildly around looking and aiming at players. When you're trying to compete with really good players in such a game every frame counts. 14% improvement in fps will make it slighly easier to lock on and follow fast moving players with crosshair since you will have slightly less jittering and a bit more responsive mouse which will equal to more smoothness in aiming. Most really good players make sure their games never run below 100 fps. And yes you can make your game run at higher fps than monitor can keep up with for a bit smoother controls (although you still won't see extra fps), but then your fps and refresh rate will be out of sink and you will have to put up with annoying tearing in your image. People used to turn vsync off back in old days because video cards were slow, now days there's no reason to do it. I'm too spoiled I guess, and I play games too much...

"Seriously, anyone who tells you that they are a better gamer at 85hz than they are at 75hz, or that it is a more enjoyable experience at 85hz than 75hz, is just plain idiotic."

I just ran some test and I could tell it was more jittery during turning at 75fps than at 85fps. Call me an idiot but it was more enjoyable for me at 85. If you're fairly new to shoot them up games, you may not agree, but as your reaction and hand eye coordination get better and better in quake3 and UT you will sense the difference easily.
 

Chebago

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granted I'm not world ranked in quake or anything, and my monitor only goes 75fps evidently, having just finished pandora tomorrow, I can honestly say that I thought it was pretty smooth at 75fps.
 

SuperShaz

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Originally posted by: cheap
If you're fairly new to shoot them up games, you may not agree, but as your reaction and hand eye coordination get better and better in quake3 and UT you will sense the difference easily.

Sorry to keep this discussion going, since it is obviously in the wrong forum, but I have to disagree with you once again. Trust me, I DO understand where you are coming from. I was you about 2 years ago, thinking every little thing mattered. I actually competed in a CPL Quake3 tournament and a CS tournament back then. I'm NOT going to deny that there are some people who have such good eyesight and hand eye coordination that an extra 10 hz on their monitor can help them. But for the average gamer, this does not make a difference. You are kidding yourself if you think the difference is obvious. It may be noticable if you know exactly what to look for, but 99% of people who aren't looking for the difference will not notice a difference.

I've been a hardcore gamer for the last 9 years, and I can tell you that this monitor is in fact a very good gaming monitor. Perfectionists might rather spend an extra $200 on something else. But this is a very good gaming monitor, end of story.

By the way, Flat Panel monitors only run at something like 60 or 65 hz. THOSE are the monitors that aren't great for games.

- SuperShaz
 

SoulSnatcher

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I agree it is a good monitor FOR THE PRICE.

I have one with a 9800XT, ...but I do find myself looking over at the Viewsonic 17" monitor paired with a GF2pro on my other machine and think, wow that is a better image quality...
 

Speckledpig

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I have this monitor as well. I picked it up at BB at the Black Friday sale for $200 + tax. I've been quite impressed with it. Very bright and clear.

I run 1280 as well.

David
 
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