The 810 throttles in the end. Geekbench multicore score tanks. Shows the need for longer time testing that what is shown here. For normal usage pattern no so important but 1200 vs 1500 for single core geekbnch is also a big difference.
Is 6 pronounced "sex" in German?
That's more like gender.Yes it is. And sex is pronounced "Geschlecht" in German
guys is there's a chance that we can see a new gpu in note 5, cos mali-t760 really disappoints me especially when comparing it with adreno 430, it's the only deal breaker for me i am not buying the gorgeous galaxy s6 cos of this old slow gpu
Possibly (Mali T860 or T880 would be a safe bet), but why do you think Mali T760 is disappointing?
The MP8 variant inside Galaxy S6 is outperforming Adreno 430. It's safe to say Exynos 7420 is all around faster than Snapdragon 810 by now (CPU and GPU). Exynos Note 4's Mali T760MP6 was slightly slower in some graphics benchmarks (~5%) but delivered better performance in actual games compared to Adreno 420.
sorry for my late reply, well the reason why i think it's disappointing is the onscreen test, i usually keep my phone atleast 2 years b4 i upgrade to a new phone,so what if they ( games companies) start to develop games that render at 1440p of even 4k ?! ( which i think will be soon ) in this case mali or even adreno 430 won't handle them, which makes me wonder whether we are able to see new gpus this year otherwise i may wait for the next year, i checked mali T880 spec on arm's official site and they mentioned that it's about 80% faster than t 760 , meaning that it will easily handle 2k or even 4k resolution, but do u think 880 will be released this year ? i mean i heard that it will be shipped by the end of 2015 and phones can hold it by early 2016.
Dont worry. Its about 40% faster than even s5 in on screen test. Think about an s4 then ! You cant compare it to a galaxy alpha with 720p. screen. 2 years is no probs.
Yes it is. And sex is pronounced "Geschlecht" in German
Charlie D said:"All of the ‘overheating problems’ were found not to be true by many testers on dozens of production devices both at trade shows like CES and in the wild. You can buy an LG G Flex 2 now and it doesn’t overheat, it wasn’t underclocked as rumored, and has none of the ‘reported problems’."
Charlie D said:"...Samsung is scared, they have good reason to be frightened. With the launches of the S6, G4, and countless ODM Snapdragon 810 products happening in the coming weeks, what can they do? If you can’t win on merit, FUD. They are. The thoroughness of the FUD and smear campaigns strongly intone that Samsung is going to take a pounding during the next product cycle and that they know it too. If they had a winning product, they wouldn’t have gone to the extraordinary lengths they did to attack LG and the ODMs via the proxy of Qualcomm."
GSMArena said:Our impression is that the LG G Flex2 got really warm while running a game, or even a benchmark app, for that matter. We also noticed, that when running benchmarks, its performance dropped after the first run, suggesting there is some sort of CPU performance throttling taking place when the temperature rises. The performance penalty amounted to about 20% and it restored back to normal only after the phone had the chance to cool off.
...Having all that in mind we proceed with our benchmarks. To speed up the cooling off period we resorted to placing the G Flex2 inside our office in-between the individual runs. All benchmark results listed below were obtained after such cool off period in order to assess the maximum performance of the new chipset and avoid reaching the overeager automatic CPU throttling trigger levels.
...Web browsing is once again the Achilles heel - the G Flex2 lasted six hours, which not even close to the average in the class. Talk time and video playback are OK though.
Android Police said:The Snapdragon 810 in the G Flex 2 just does not feel all that snappy. It's not especially slow, but it experiences jank, app refreshes, and gets noticeably warm while doing things like web browsing. Benchmarks confirm there's some aggressive thermal throttling at play.
...The other thing to note is that LG has consistently released phones that regularly engage in some level of throttling behavior. The G3, while it doesn't throttle as heavily or often as the G Flex 2, does experience a pretty consistent 15-25% drop in single core CPU performance if you run Geekbench 3 ten or fifteen times. The G Flex 2, by comparison, sees more like a 50-60% drop after so many runs, and by then is actually benchmarking substantially lower than the already-throttled Snapdragon 801 chip, instead yielding scores more like a Snapdragon 615 (I have a 615 device, and it will throw out the same scores basically all day with maybe a 10-15% variation).
David Ruddock said:I can't tell you what Snapdragon 810 device I'm using, but I'm using one, and I will say that this thing categorically throttles like a son of a bitch. It can't even run Geekbench 3 three times in a row without having to throttle down performance a solid 20-30%. I can see why Samsung ended up avoiding this chip. Also, it gets hot. hothothot.
My results at this point show a 35+% peak drop in multicore performance and a staggering 50+% drop in single core performance as thermal load builds. That's pretty fucking terrible.
Example Geekbench runs, one after the other (single core / multicore score)
1. 1215 / 3683
2. 1112 / 3249
3. 895 / 2931
4. 672 / 2414
5. 692 / 2465
6. 675 / 2421
7. 663 / 2356
8. 617 / 2263
9. 558 / 2065
Charlie D said:The last Exynos was a disaster which quite ironically overheated badly. Samsung botched their test suite on that part badly leading to thermal mis-characterization on common workloads. Users saw this as overheating and the problem was bad enough for Samsung to abandon the SoC in most markets in favor of the Qualcomm 800 series for their own flagship phone. It likely wasn’t a good day to be in Samsung management when that was decided.
Not sure if this got posted yet, but this is a very damning article for Samsung. They seem to have ethical issues - the last time it was rigging benchmarks.
Ref Link - there's a TON of information on the investigation they did into these rumors :
https://semiaccurate.com/2015/03/02/behind-fake-qualcomm-snapdragon-810-overheating-rumors/
Basically it boils down to these :
"All of the overheating problems were found not to be true by many testers on dozens of production devices both at trade shows like CES and in the wild. You can buy an LG G Flex 2 now and it doesnt overheat, it wasnt underclocked as rumored, and has none of the reported problems."
"Conspiracy or idiots?
In spite of the complete and utter debunking of the rumors, the Snapdragon 810 overheating story kept coming back.... The first thing that became clear is that each new echo started out within a few days of important events in the launch of the 810. "
And finally (much explanation before this) :
"...Samsung is scared, they have good reason to be frightened. With the launches of the S6, G4, and countless ODM Snapdragon 810 products happening in the coming weeks, what can they do? If you cant win on merit, FUD. They are. The thoroughness of the FUD and smear campaigns strongly intone that Samsung is going to take a pounding during the next product cycle and that they know it too. If they had a winning product, they wouldnt have gone to the extraordinary lengths they did to attack LG and the ODMs via the proxy of Qualcomm."
Qualcomm already mentioned Sony in a puff piece about the Snapdragon 810 chipset's virtues, so there is every chance that this is what the Xperia Z4 will be using. Famed leakster Ricciolo, however, is tipping that Sony might be looking for engineering solutions to dissipate the arguably significant amount of heat that Snapdragon 810 generates, without compromising the chassis structure of what might be one of the thinnest flagships around when it lands.
Not sure if this got posted yet, but this is a very damning article for Samsung. They seem to have ethical issues - the last time it was rigging benchmarks.
Ref Link - there's a TON of information on the investigation they did into these rumors :
https://semiaccurate.com/2015/03/02/behind-fake-qualcomm-snapdragon-810-overheating-rumors/
Basically it boils down to these :
"All of the ‘overheating problems’ were found not to be true by many testers on dozens of production devices both at trade shows like CES and in the wild. You can buy an LG G Flex 2 now and it doesn’t overheat, it wasn’t underclocked as rumored, and has none of the ‘reported problems’."
"Conspiracy or idiots?
In spite of the complete and utter debunking of the rumors, the Snapdragon 810 ‘overheating’ story kept coming back.... The first thing that became clear is that each new echo started out within a few days of important events in the launch of the 810. "
And finally (much explanation before this) :
"...Samsung is scared, they have good reason to be frightened. With the launches of the S6, G4, and countless ODM Snapdragon 810 products happening in the coming weeks, what can they do? If you can’t win on merit, FUD. They are. The thoroughness of the FUD and smear campaigns strongly intone that Samsung is going to take a pounding during the next product cycle and that they know it too. If they had a winning product, they wouldn’t have gone to the extraordinary lengths they did to attack LG and the ODMs via the proxy of Qualcomm."
i checked mali T880 spec on arm's official site and they mentioned that it's about 80% faster than t 760 , meaning that it will easily handle 2k or even 4k resolution, but do u think 880 will be released this year ? i mean i heard that it will have been shipped by the end of 2015 and phones can hold it by early 2016.
AnandTech said:At equal clockspeeds and cluster configurations, Imagination is showing performance gains of 30-60% for Series7XT.
This tablet cpu is 2.4GHz, ! man it smells a little like Intel core speed to me
what is the ipc estimates we have for A72 vs. A57?
Depending on the workload we're seeing anywhere between 10-50% more clock-for-clock performance than Cortex-A57 under identical system conditions while also reducing power.
A72 is 10-50% according to an ARM engineer:what is the ipc estimates we have for A72 vs. A57?
http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=147766&curpostid=147801Depending on the workload we're seeing anywhere between 10-50% more clock-for-clock performance than Cortex-A57 under identical system conditions while also reducing power. I'm talking about a range of decent sized, representative workloads, not micro-benchmarks.
A72 is 10-50% according to an ARM engineer:
http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=147766&curpostid=147801
EDIT: Sweepr beat me to it, but I provided extra "information" about representative workloads :biggrin:
I guess this comes from http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...m-holdings-plc-calling-its-post-cortex-a.aspx. Thanks30% improvement clock-for-clock in SPECfp
Some of the most compute intensive parts of programs (particularly sums of products) execute with exceptional speed on my designs, taking only 1/2 to 2/3 of the cycles required by competing implementations. In fact I believe my Cortex-A72 design has the fastest datapath of any IEEE 754-2008 compliant FPU, and my next design is going to be both smaller and faster.
I guess this comes from http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...m-holdings-plc-calling-its-post-cortex-a.aspx. Thanks
Very interesting information in that article and in the LinkedIn page: