Samsung Exynos Thread (big.LITTLE Octa-core)

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gamer122

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ARM said the same about the new Cortex A72 core but according to Qualcomm/Mediatek their new SoCs will be featured in commercial devices in second half of this year.
Samsung was the first to use A57 and Mali T760 in a mobile SoC, if someone can pull off A72 + Mali T880 this year I would bet on them (Galaxy Note 5 @ Q4-2015).



They certainly need something powerful. The way I see it Mali T860 is more about improving efficiency than performance and I'm not sure if they can push Mali T760 much further when MP6 is ~30mm² @ 20nm - a MP10 or MP12 config won't be very small @ 14nm compared to competitors and we're already dealing with >700MHz clocks (Exynos 7420). Mali T880 fits the bill perfectly, fingers crossed.

-but if they planning to do so, then what's left for s7?
-since i don't know much bout hardware stuff, i have a question: is that possible combining the old cortex A57 with a newer gpu like mali t860? in this case they can do so for the note 5 , and save the newer cortex A72 and mali t 880 for s7 i may look like an idiot by saying so but as i said i don't know enough regarding hardware possibilities
 

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-but if they planning to do so, then what's left for s7?
-since i don't know much bout hardware stuff, i have a question: is that possible combining the old cortex A57 with a newer gpu like mali t860? in this case they can do so for the note 5 , and save the newer cortex A72 and mali t 880 for s7 i may look like an idiot by saying so but as i said i don't know enough regarding hardware possibilities

Samsung likes to introduce new stuff with their Galaxy Note line and improve/refine it in the next Galaxy S. If they can implement Mali T880 in their Exynos line this year you can bet they will. There is plenty of room for improvement even at the same manufacturing process after 6 months (Galaxy S7 @ Q2? 2016). They need to keep up with the iPhone 6S+ (A9) and early 2016 Snapdragon 820 phones.

2013-2014
Galaxy Note III: Cortex A15 @ 1.9GHz + A7 @ 1.3GHz and Mali T628MP6 GPU.
Galaxy S5: HMP-enabled Cortex A15 @ 1.9GHz + A7 @ 1.3GHz and Mali T628MP6 GPU.

2014-2015
Galaxy Note 4: Cortex A57 @ 1.9GHz + A53 @ 1.3GHz and Mali T760MP6 GPU.
Galaxy S6: Cortex A57 @ 2.1GHz + A53 @ 1.5GHz and Mali T760MP8 GPU, LPDDR4.
 

gamer122

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Samsung likes to introduce new stuff with their Galaxy Note line and improve/refine it in the next Galaxy S. If they can implement Mali T880 in their Exynos line this year you can bet they will. There is plenty of room for improvement even at the same manufacturing process after 6 months (Galaxy S7 @ Q2? 2016). They need to keep up with the iPhone 6S+ (A9) and early 2016 Snapdragon 820 phones.

2013-2014
Galaxy Note III: Cortex A15 @ 1.9GHz + A7 @ 1.3GHz and Mali T628MP6 GPU.
Galaxy S5: HMP-enabled Cortex A15 @ 1.9GHz + A7 @ 1.3GHz and Mali T628MP6 GPU.

2014-2015
Galaxy Note 4: Cortex A57 @ 1.9GHz + A53 @ 1.3GHz and Mali T760MP6 GPU.
Galaxy S6: Cortex A57 @ 2.1GHz + A53 @ 1.5GHz and Mali T760MP8 GPU, LPDDR4.

now it makes sense thanks,i think i should wait for note 5 then.
 

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A while ago Samsung announced its roadmap for microprocessors. They had said they will use ARM cores (A57) on 20nm but use their own core in 14nm. Clearly, they have fallen behind. But there is no reason to believe that they will not be using their own cores for Note 4. Furthermore, it is quite obvious that Samsung is not listed as one of the partners for A72 - all the other usual suspects are there.

I suspect Note 4 will have Samsung's own core (maybe in a big-little combo with A53) with Mali880 and 4GB of LPDDR4. With 14nm finfet settled now, there will be no performance improvements because of process technology in the next couple of years (before 10nm). Expect a lot of architectural innovation!
 

gamer122

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A while ago Samsung announced its roadmap for microprocessors. They had said they will use ARM cores (A57) on 20nm but use their own core in 14nm. Clearly, they have fallen behind. But there is no reason to believe that they will not be using their own cores for Note 4. Furthermore, it is quite obvious that Samsung is not listed as one of the partners for A72 - all the other usual suspects are there.

I suspect Note 4 will have Samsung's own core (maybe in a big-little combo with A53) with Mali880 and 4GB of LPDDR4. With 14nm finfet settled now, there will be no performance improvements because of process technology in the next couple of years (before 10nm). Expect a lot of architectural innovation!

hmm, 4gb ram is overkill,cpu is already so powerful in s6, but mali t880 (about 80% faster than mali t760) hell yeah we should wait for it. if they are going to use mali t 860 instead then i see no point of waiting for note 5, as sweeper said 'Mali T860 is more about improving efficiency than performance'
check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yGMUBbgFOc 0:27 i swear that i noticed fps drops in some places and the game looks so laggy !
 
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i swear that i noticed fps drops in some places and the game looks so laggy !

This is the phone with the best GPU on the market (40% better than iphone 6 plus) and nearly the best CPU on the market (just a tiny bit slower than the iphone on single thread but vastly more performance on multithread).

And it has the fastest DRAM. And the most DRAM of any phone.

Also, the fastest storage with UFS2 while the others have eMMC

If the Galaxy S6 lags, then dude, no other phone even has a chance...
 

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hmm, 4gb ram is overkill,cpu is already so powerful in s6, but mali t880 (about 80% faster than mali t760) hell yeah we should wait for it. if they are going to use mali t 860 instead then i see no point of waiting for note 5, as sweeper said 'Mali T860 is more about improving efficiency than performance'
check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yGMUBbgFOc 0:27 i swear that i noticed fps drops in some places and the game looks so laggy !
You can never see any 60fps smoothness on a 30fps YouTube video captured out of sync with phone refresh rate.
 

gamer122

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This is the phone with the best GPU on the market (40% better than iphone 6 plus) and nearly the best CPU on the market (just a tiny bit slower than the iphone on single thread but vastly more performance on multithread).

And it has the fastest DRAM. And the most DRAM of any phone.

Also, the fastest storage with UFS2 while the others have eMMC

If the Galaxy S6 lags, then dude, no other phone even has a chance...

TILL note 5....imagine even this best gpu after 6 months being beaten by a 80% faster gpu (mali t 880), wow this is the biggest improvement i may ever witness, i think waiting for note5 may be a sensible decision, atleast waiting for rumors.
 
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Citibank estimates Samsung will ship 46M s6/edge

Profit rise will even come from brand benefit of low and mindrange ! - (something eg AMD have never understood for their gpu lineup - they think yield instead of branding)

http://www.gsmarena.com/citibank_samsung_to_ship_46_million_galaxy_s6_units_this_year-news-11502.php

Samsung has had that benefit (i.e. halo brand) and it hasn't helped them.

Also, interesting how they can estimate how many will be sold even without knowing the prices
 

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A lot more maybe.....

digitimes said:
Samsung to unveil Galaxy S6 at MWC;
initial shipments to top 50 million units

Max Wang, Taipei; Steve Shen, DIGITIMES [Thursday 26 February 2015]

Samsung Electronics is expected to unveil its new flagship smartphone,
the Galaxy S6, at the upcoming Mobile World Congress (MWC), according
to suppliers in Taiwan's handset supply chain. The local suppliers expect
initial shipments of the Galaxy S6 to reach 50 million units.

Taiwan-based lens module maker Largan Precision, case suppliers Casetek
Holdings and Ju Teng International, crystal quartz component maker TXC
and metal chassis supplier Silitech Technology, are expected to benefit
from the launch of Samsung's new smartphone, the sources indicated.

pre-orders doing good:

Samsung has reportedly already received 20 million pre-orders for the Galaxy S6 and S6 Edge


 

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Hope it sells well, I like the Galaxy S and Note devices. If not, I'll be able to bag a bargain if I get one a few months after launch. I'm at least waiting to see what the Note 5 looks like first. I'll have to get an ARMv8 SoC at some point...
 

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if this true then i will definitely wait for note 5, i hope they will use 2k display not 4k in order to see pure gpu performance
 

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According to Gizmochina Huawei's Kirin 950 SoC will be released in Q4/2015 - packing together Quad A72 @ up to 2.4GHz + Quad A53 and a Mali T880 GPU. It's just a rumour but (if true) reinforces the possibility that we could see A72 or Samsung's custom ARMv8 core + Mali T880 in the Galaxy Note 5 Exynos SoC @ September/October 2015.



www.gizmochina.com/2015/03/11/huaweis-kirin-940-and-kirin-950-soc-specs-emerge

A bit more info from a different source:

eetimes said:
In the past month, HiSilicon Technologies, the silicon division of China
telecom giant Huawei, taped out at TSMC a 16nm quad A72 device with
more than 50 million instances.

It has a 16nm A57 device also made in the
fab and already shipping in systems, said Mary Ann White, director of
product marketing for Synopsys’ Galaxy Design Platform.

So it looks as if these are 16nm FinFet devices...
 

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It seems like one of the KIRIN socs will end up in Google's 2015 Nexus phone:

http://www.gizmochina.com/2015/03/09/huawei-made-google-nexus-phone-powered-kirin-processor/

plus some 16nm FinFet confirmation

Looks like a pretty straightforward Kirin 920/925 update - newer Cortex A57/A53 cores @ 2.0/1.5GHz, 16nm FinFET (Huawei skipped 20nm), same GPU and memory configuration. Google ditching Qualcomm this round too? S810 problems + agressive pricing from Huawei?

They got the CPU side covered with any of the three (Kirin 930, 940 and 950) but if they want to match/beat Nexus 6's Adreno 420 they need something better than what they have been using, Kirin 930's Mali T628MP4 just won't cut it. Something like Mali T860MP6 or Mali T880MP4 (Kirin 940/950?) would probably get the job done.
 

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Will Samsung Enter Autonomous Vehicle Market?

Samsung Electronics appears to have an intention to expand its reach to the field of autos, the Internet of Things (IoT), and robots by targeting the system semiconductor market using Exynos chips. The specific question this time is whether or not the Korean tech giant will enter the driverless car market.

According to industry sources on Feb. 22, Samsung mentioned the IoT, wearable devices, autonomous cars, virtual reality, 8K TVs, and robots as directions for the evolution of future technology after 2015 on the English home page of Exynos chips. The company added that its own application processors (APs) can contribute to this kind of technological innovation.

The industry is paying attention to the fact that the company mentioned autonomous cars among the many practical uses of Exynos chips. Last year, Samsung already suggested the possibility of featuring an iris recognition function in the 20-nm Exynos 7 Octa used in the Galaxy Note 4 on its home page.

www.businesskorea.co.kr/article/914...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Now this news is weeks old but I think it's relevant to this thread.

LG to take on 64-bit Samsung Exynos, Qualcomm Snapdragon

According to industry sources from Korea, after the fiasco that followed the NUCLUN’s debut on the LG G3 Screen, LG has entertained the idea of creating another in-house AP, which should’ve been a Snapdragon 810 equivalent. Some details have been lost in translation, but from what we understand this chipset was supposed to feature 4x Cortex-A57 cores alongside a Cortex-A53 quad-core unit. Apparently though, the SoC was eventually scrapped due to technical issues which presumably led to overheating.

While the second chipset seems to have been cancelled for good, LG is now reportedly working on a third CPU, which will be aimed at the high-end market. The SoC will apparently use 4 Cortex-A72 cores (known by the codename “Maya&#8221 and an additional 4 Cortex-A53 cores. The source claims that the CPU will be accompanied by an unspecified Mali graphics chip, but given the presence of a Cortex-A72 processor we could take a wild guess and assume that the GPU will be a next-gen Mali-T880.

The CPU will apparently be built by TSMC on a 20nm process, and although we don’t have a concrete release date to share, the CPU was apparently pushed back 6 months – whatever that may imply since we don’t have a steady frame of reference.

www.slashgear.com/lg-to-take-on-64-bit-samsung-exynos-qualcomm-snapdragon-17369532

Apparently LG was working on a TSCM 20nm A57/A53 SoC but cancelled it due to overheating issues (sounds a lot like S810's story).
 
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GSMArena: Samsung Galaxy S6 Review

Choose one word to describe the Samsung Galaxy S6. Gorgeous. Powerful. Special. Different. Thank you. That will do. Now, which of these will be true for the Samsung Galaxy S5 and does not start with a p? Exactly.

The Samsung Galaxy S6 is not the next big thing. It's "project zero". The reboot. But was there really anything wrong with the S-line - the standard-setter, the home of the super droids? OK, design needed looking at for sure. But hey, other brands do facelifts - Samsung goes for a complete overhaul.



AnTuTu 5.6: 68896
Basemark OS II 2.0: 1641
Geekbench 3: 4916
Basemark OS 2.0 single-core: 5689
Basemark OS 2.0 multi-core: 25549
GFXBench T-Rex Ofsscreen: 49 FPS
GFXBench Manhattan Offscreen: 23 FPS
Basemark X: 22752
Kraken: 4323
BrowserMark 2.1: 3146

The Samsung Galaxy S6 (and S6 edge for that matter) is the fastest mobile phone you can have at the moment and with 64-bit support in place this should remain the case for some time to come. The flagship offers top notch performance for any use case and may not be surpassed in 2015, looking at just the 5" size (obviously the Note 5 is coming and should be a bit faster).

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