Samsung Galaxy S4 Active

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gorcorps

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Please explain what you mean by this , do the physical buttons on the s4 active do something that is different than the soft touch buttons on the regular s4.

Also I find it frustrating that there are no benchmarks yet to showcase the tests of battery life and camera quality

The phones been out for some time now,

It sounds to me like he's coming from an earlier phone. From what I could tell in the store it's the same as my galaxy s3 was.

Also, the phone was released on Friday. Do you really consider that "some time now"? It's be nice to see what the camera is like, but it's the same battery as the gs4. Are you expecting something different?
 

santz

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It sounds to me like he's coming from an earlier phone. From what I could tell in the store it's the same as my galaxy s3 was.

Also, the phone was released on Friday. Do you really consider that "some time now"? It's be nice to see what the camera is like, but it's the same battery as the gs4. Are you expecting something different?

ya i know, you are right its only been a few days since the phone has been on sale, its just that i am kind of being impatient about this. why is samsung releasing so many variants of s4,- did u read about the new version of S4 just recently announced with the snapdragon 800 processor and super fast LTE (more than twice as fast as regular LTE)-
google "S4 LTE ADVANCED"
 

gmaster456

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I'd love to get an Active. I'm outdoors a lot and it would be a great phone to have. Unfortunately I would have to buy it unlocked.
 

gorcorps

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ya i know, you are right its only been a few days since the phone has been on sale, its just that i am kind of being impatient about this. why is samsung releasing so many variants of s4,- did u read about the new version of S4 just recently announced with the snapdragon 800 processor and super fast LTE (more than twice as fast as regular LTE)-
google "S4 LTE ADVANCED"

Oh I know, it's annoying. It's almost like the SGS2 all over again, except at least the S4 variants look different where most of the SGS2 versions looked the same and were just different on the inside. The AT&T one was different than the T-mobile one on the inside and they couldn't use the same batteries, and they were both different from the "international" version which used different batteries too. If you used the international batteries in the other phones they would go into a boot loop because of some NFC incompatibility. AT&T also had a "Skyrocket" version which had a physically bigger screen IIRC, but slower processor.

They're also coming out with an S4 "zoom" which is basically very similar to the galaxy camera they recently released, except it'll be a full blown phone and not just wifi. The pictures I've seen look absurd though as it's literally holding a P&S up to your head to talk.
 

lvrzhn

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Can people comment on their take on the advantages and disadvantages of having physical buttons, in the light of Google's disincentive to have them?

At least in principle having the buttons should allow one to increase the effective screen real estate.
 

Kenmitch

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Can people comment on their take on the advantages and disadvantages of having physical buttons, in the light of Google's disincentive to have them?

At least in principle having the buttons should allow one to increase the effective screen real estate.

I have the buttons on my Optimus G Pro and I like them. The home button is also used for led notifications tho. Like you said it does add a little bit more screen real estate at all times. I see nothing but a plus for physical buttons...Other than maybe the phone being slightly larger of course.

On another note I ordered a S4 Active which I'm gonna sell anyways. Just wanted to get a Galaxy Note 8 LTE. The S4 Active got me a $200 discount on it
 

WelshBloke

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Can people comment on their take on the advantages and disadvantages of having physical buttons, in the light of Google's disincentive to have them?

At least in principle having the buttons should allow one to increase the effective screen real estate.

The layout is the standard Samsung arrangement isn't it? Menu on the left, back on the right and home/background apps in the middle. If so that shouldn't be a problem for previous Samsung users.

I'm ambivalent about the presence or lack of buttons. There's advantages to both. Soft buttons have a cleaner look and are (in theory) more flexible, proper hard keys (like the S4 actives) are nice because you won't press them by accident as much and they free up the whole screen for display. The hybrid set up on regular galaxy phones works well but I do hit the back button by accident quite a bit.
 

s44

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I'd be happy with my standard S4 buttons if I could swap home and multitask.
 

WelshBloke

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I'd be happy with my standard S4 buttons if I could swap home and multitask.

You want to long press for home and short press for multitasking?
I'm pretty sure that there's a root app that'll let you do that. I'll have a think and get back to you.

Edit : doesn't nova launcher let you do that?
 
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santz

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Would you rather have the s4 active or the regular s4 google edition which is also set to come out b4 the end of the month
 

WelshBloke

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Would you rather have the s4 active or the regular s4 google edition which is also set to come out b4 the end of the month

Active without a moments thought.

You can flash an AOSP rom easy enough, it's not so easy to make a phone waterproof (without using a big arse case).
 

gorcorps

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Active without a moments thought.

You can flash an AOSP rom easy enough, it's not so easy to make a phone waterproof (without using a big arse case).

Really hoping the active is popular enough to have a decent community. Our rom selection might be slim pickings otherwise.
 

blairharrington

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My review.

A quick history.

First smartphone is the iPhone 3G in 2008. Move onto the iPhone 4 in 2010. iPhone 5 in 2012. And now the S4 Active.

I had the G Pro for 3 days. Decided it was too heavy and large for me. Hated the speaker too.

Wasn't in a rush to ditch the iPhone 5. My only one serious complaint was the screen size. iOS 7 addressed most of my OS gripes.

My experience with Android is pretty limited. I feel like I've learned a great deal in a matter of days. Overall I give the nod to iOS however I feel the iPhone 5 is too small for my needs right now.

I ruled out the One because I hate that power button placement and the S4 because I can't stomach Samsung's OLED screens. No matter what mode.

The S4 Active intrigued me because it offered an LCD panel, was 5", and had 3 physical navigation buttons. I don't like capacitive buttons and strongly prefer on-screen or physical ones.

I'll try to write this in as few words as possible. Overall I'm happy I left the iPhone 5 for the S4 Active.

Let's begin with the screen. Without question my favorite part of the S4 Active. It's beautiful and to my eyes looks no worse than the iPhone 5 screen. I think the ppi difference is irrelevant. Anything over 300 is negligible to the human eye in my experience.

Some people may worry about viewing angels on a TFT LCD. I don't see washout at any angle. I don't have my iPhone 5 and sold it pretty much immediately after purchasing the Active so I did not compare side by side. Regardless it's a non issue for me. I can see the screen just fine at an angle in those rare moments when I even do that. Most of the time I'm looking at the screen head on.

The bottom navigation buttons are terrific. They look and feel great. I think the back button is best suited on the right because most people are right handed and will hit that button more frequently than the menu button.

The volume and power buttons have a very subtle textured feel to them.

The back plastic appears to be a touch less slippery than the one on the S4 however it's still somewhat slippery and accumulates skin oils, etc. Personally it doesn't scream 'cheap' to me but it also doesn't feel great by any means. I might get a subtle case down the road. Quality plastic that feels good in your hand can be done on phones. (HTC First, Blackberry Z10, Xperia ZL.)

USB port requires you to open and close it. It opens and closes very easily. One must decide if having to open/close it will bother them. It's a non issue for me.

The very top and bottom of the back have a terrific textured rubber area. I wish these rubbery parts could have been used on the sides too which are very slippery sadly. There also appears to be 4 non-removable screws in the corners. I'm curious if this was done for looks or provides an actual purpose.

The headphone jack is at the top and is waterproof.

The phone itself is water resistant up to 3 feet for 30 minutes. It's also dust proof somehow. I have no desire to test out how it reacts to water. I'll just wait until I'm caught in a rainstorm and have to use my phone or I drop my phone at the beach. I do like the idea of putting my money behind a device that at least attempts to combat water. I frequent the beach in the summer so thumbs on that front.

The screen is still as prone to shattering as a normal S4. I wish Samsung could have placed something on the front to protect the screen from breaking if it falls. (Rubber on the front bezel?)

The phone is slightly heavier than the regular S4. (21 grams.) It makes for a decent weight that isn't heavy. At the same time I wouldn't want to use a heavier phone. I personally prefer a lighter phone in all circumstances.

The camera appears to be pretty solid. It's an 8 MP shooter so it should be worse than the one on the regular S4. I haven't taken a ton of photos but I'm happy with the results.

I'm running Nova Launcher Prime plus TeslaUnread with the Stark icon pack. I like this launcher a great deal. The stock TouchWiz apps are pretty terrible. The Notes app is laggy. The Gallery absolutely sucks. (I'm using Gallery ICS. It's not much better. I'm all ears for suggestions. I think the camera roll is so far the worst thing compared to the iOS camera roll.)

Gmail app is great. I hated it on the G Pro back in May but it appears 4.5 has made a world of difference. It's really terrific.

Using the Habit browser. It's great. Safari iOS IMO is excellent and this one comes close. Lacks the ability to pin a webpage onto your homescreen. Need to copy and paste the URL into the stock browser to do this. Pretty annoying but I'll deal.

Clipboard is just bizarre. Everything you copy in TouchWiz goes to the 'clipboard'. Yet you can't access it directly. I looked online and it appears the only way to access it or delete its contents entirely is to compose a text and hold down in the dialogue area. Just weird.

I had an absolutely nightmarish time trying to transfer music onto the G Pro last month. iSyncr, DoubleTwist, and AFT all failed me in spectacular function. Thankfully, with fingers still crossed, I found an amazing solution with an app called WiFi File Transfer Pro. It crashed when I tried to upload my entire music folder (51 GB) in one click. Instead I'm forced to upload files individually by artist. This is taking some time but it appears to be working just fine. I can now transfer music onto my SD card with no wires and no headaches. Individual albums upload very quickly. I also have all my music uploaded to Google Music. (But don't use it directly because I have a data cap plus I want my music at all times.) It appears that using the Google Music app to play the music on my SD card is working perfectly with respect to artwork because it's just mirroring what I already have uploaded onto Google Music. The stock Music app provided limited artwork in comparison.

iOS overall still gets the nod when it comes to overall app quality. I think most would agree. It's just more polished.

Keyboard was giving me a lot of issues. Went from terrible Samsung one to SwiftKey but wasn't satisfied. Personally I like the iOS keyboard a great deal. Autocorrect is a big deal with me and I don't swipe or use suggested words. I'm going back and forth with the stock Android keyboard and the Jelly Bean one and they both appear to be solid choices.

Battery life appears to be on par with my iPhone 5. Certainly not much better or worse.

This is a big one: back speaker. I find myself listening to the speaker a good deal. It's very good on the S4. It was terrible on the G Pro so I was worried but I'm really happy with it. It's on par with the one on the iPhone 5. Obviously it's most likely not as good as the one on the One but I'm very happy with it. Having it on the back is somewhat annoying. It should always be on the bottom or the front IMO.

I think that's it. If you have any questions I'll try to answer them. I'm very open to using an iPhone again but not until they offer a 5" model. The 5" screen is probably my sweet spot with respect to smartphones.
 

shortylickens

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I prefer physical buttons and its nice to finally have a rugged Android. (Last one was the stupid Casio G'zone and it sucked).


 

lvrzhn

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You should not assume that. Far more important factors than Mpx count would be the size the sensor and whether it is Exmor R or Exmor RS. I think both of these factors are presently unknown.

The camera appears to be pretty solid. It's an 8 MP shooter so it should be worse than the one on the regular S4. I haven't taken a ton of photos but I'm happy with the results.
 

Gorgenapper

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1) How are yellow images on it, using either Professional Photo or Movie Mode (with preference for the latter)? www.nationalgeographic.com/125 (look for the Sputnik Spotter button). Any greenish-tints, or off colors?

2) I assume it still has an easily removable back to swap out the battery and micro SD?
 
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lvrzhn

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1) How are yellow images on it, using either Professional Photo or Movie Mode (with preference for the latter)? www.nationalgeographic.com/125 (look for the Sputnik Spotter button). Any greenish-tints, or off colors? 2) I assume it still has an easily removable back to swap out the battery and micro SD?

On 2), I actually find the removal and reattachment of the back a really annoying process (but from what I've seen in the store it is equally annoying on the regular S4). It feels like one of those tiny plastic holders is going to crack right off every time you do it. Can't imagine wanting to do this much with extra batteries, but perhaps one gets used to it (and somehow those little things don't break).
 

blairharrington

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1) How are yellow images on it, using either Professional Photo or Movie Mode (with preference for the latter)? www.nationalgeographic.com/125 (look for the Sputnik Spotter button). Any greenish-tints, or off colors?

2) I assume it still has an easily removable back to swap out the battery and micro SD?

This is such a random request. LOL.

Yellow images to my eyes look great in any mode.

Removable back yes.
 

santz

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although i have been looking for a review which provides battery benchmarks and camera benchmarks of the active and have been unsuccessful, I would appreciate it if someone came across such a review, that they post it here immediately.

its like i want mangoes, mangoes, mangoes but all i ever get is a hat.
 

santz

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and thanks blairharrington, for your quick review, it was definitely helpful
 
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