Samsung Galaxy S4 Active

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Apex

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I seriously doubt the the display makes up the difference. The soc and radios make a Much larger difference than that.

I'm not so sure that's true on a phone such as this, with a 5" 1080p display.

If I turn up the brightness on my S4, the screen can take up over 70% of the battery life over the course of a day.
 

blairharrington

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Battery tests, for better or for worse, are better than anecdotal experiences. I certainly wouldn't call the OGP battery life disappointing, but in every test I've seen it's somewhere between the S4 and the Note 2. I think the disappointing comment probably was in relation to it's competitor (N2) and the expectation that a newer phone would do better.

Compared to pretty much any other Android phone (except the Note 2 and Razr Maxx), the OGP has very good battery life.

Direct from the review:

"It can yield more than a full day's use, but not the phenomenal two day's worth we've enjoyed on the Note II."

Most consumers charge their phones at night. So if it can make it a full day with no problems, how is it disappointing? Compared to the N2? And you make that a con in the menu to your review? Seriously? I should also point out that most other reviews spoke glowingly of the G Pro for AT&T.
 

dawheat

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Direct from the review:

"It can yield more than a full day's use, but not the phenomenal two day's worth we've enjoyed on the Note II."

Most consumers charge their phones at night. So if it can make it a full day with no problems, how is it disappointing? Compared to the N2? And you make that a con in the menu to your review? Seriously? I should also point out that most other reviews spoke glowingly of the G Pro for AT&T.

I've spoken glowingly about the OGP to friends and for those looking for a phablet in the last month, I've advised them to get the OGP now if they don't need a stylus or care about dev support (most friends look at me with a 'huh?'). Otherwise, I recommend they wait for the upcoming wave (Note 3, HTC phablet).

However, is it really that surprising that the OGP gets compared directly to the only competitor it has, the Note 2? It wouldn't make sense to compare it to older phones or the 5" flagships.

In my experience as a 'heavy' user in a poor coverage area and starting at 100% at 7AM, my S3 would die in the afternoon without a charge. My Note gets me to midnight, normally around 15-20%. So I've decided I'm not buying a phone that gets any worse battery life than the Note 2 which is why I punted on this gen of 5" flagships - I can't go backwards on battery life.
 

santz

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How about we all wait for or look for another review which specifically does an In depth review of the s4 active's battery life.

Battery life is extremely important to me and that is the only reason I did not buy the htc one or the nexus 4, note 2 is way too big for my hands. The active seems perfect in every way and now this, so lets wait further and watch.
 
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gorcorps

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Mine is supposedly getting in today. All I'm asking for is a comfortable day of battery life. My galaxy s3 does not give that to me at this point. If it's noticeably better than what I have then I'll be happy.
 

ultimatebob

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Mine is supposedly getting in today. All I'm asking for is a comfortable day of battery life. My galaxy s3 does not give that to me at this point. If it's noticeably better than what I have then I'll be happy.


Yeah... the battery life on my S3 is getting pretty bad. I can only get 8 hours on it now, and that's with the GPS and animated backgrounds turned off. I just ordered an extended battery to fix that.
 

blairharrington

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I've spoken glowingly about the OGP to friends and for those looking for a phablet in the last month, I've advised them to get the OGP now if they don't need a stylus or care about dev support (most friends look at me with a 'huh?'). Otherwise, I recommend they wait for the upcoming wave (Note 3, HTC phablet).

However, is it really that surprising that the OGP gets compared directly to the only competitor it has, the Note 2? It wouldn't make sense to compare it to older phones or the 5" flagships.

In my experience as a 'heavy' user in a poor coverage area and starting at 100% at 7AM, my S3 would die in the afternoon without a charge. My Note gets me to midnight, normally around 15-20%. So I've decided I'm not buying a phone that gets any worse battery life than the Note 2 which is why I punted on this gen of 5" flagships - I can't go backwards on battery life.

I think I should make something clear because I'm really not trying to argue with you. The point is that Engadget proclaims the Active has disappointing battery life. I think it's crystal clear that they are saying this only in relation to the Note II. You can take the viewpoint that this is technically correct because like you said the G Pro should and will be compared to the Note II for obvious reasons.

But let's also look at the bigger picture. You are an Engadget reader interested in the G Pro. You come across their review and see immediately that a con that is listed is the battery life. However if you bother to read the review itself they clearly state that it should last most people through an entire day.

I realize I'm nitpicking here but I truly believe Engadget is making a mistake by listing the G Pro battery life as disappointing from the start. If you choose to disagree so be it. Realize also that most other professional reviews never mentioned the G Pro battery life as disappointing. Most likely because they realize that most consumers are not power users (like perhaps yourself) and will be satisfied with what the G Pro battery life has to offer.

Now let's jump to Engadget's Active review. In this instance they can't fall back on another direct competitor that clearly has better battery life. The Note II is the obvious comparison phone for the OGP. The Active true only direct comparison is the original S4.

So to say the Active has disappointing battery life is just false. Again, it will last most consumers throughout the day. Woke up this morning to see Android Authority posted their review. Hey, guess what....

"While a video looping test drained it down to half battery in 3 hours, I didn’t find any problems getting through the day with normal usage. It might be the LCD screen that is consuming power differently, but rest assured that you’ll get everything you need finished before it’s time for bed."

I think Engadget is just dead wrong with their 'disappointing battery life' claims with smartphones lately. I stand by that.
 

Kenmitch

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Mine is supposedly getting in today. All I'm asking for is a comfortable day of battery life. My galaxy s3 does not give that to me at this point. If it's noticeably better than what I have then I'll be happy.

Looks like a nice phone. Let us know how you like it

I've spoken glowingly about the OGP to friends and for those looking for a phablet in the last month, I've advised them to get the OGP now if they don't need a stylus or care about dev support (most friends look at me with a 'huh?'). Otherwise, I recommend they wait for the upcoming wave (Note 3, HTC phablet).

I have the OGP and bounce on over to XDA about once a day to see what's up with it. It does look like a lot of progress has been made lately.

I'm a light user, currently my battery stats are 21% remaining, usage 116h 43m with 2h 40m of screen on time.
 

dawheat

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Looks like a nice phone. Let us know how you like it



I have the OGP and bounce on over to XDA about once a day to see what's up with it. It does look like a lot of progress has been made lately.

I'm a light user, currently my battery stats are 21% remaining, usage 116h 43m with 2h 40m of screen on time.

That's good news on the OGP - I'll have to check it out as it's been a month since I did so.

In comparison I use about 4-5hours of screen on time per waking day and charge overnight - so my usage never gets much above 17-19 hours). Crazy you get 116h.
 

gorcorps

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Well, I got it in today. Haven't messed with it too much, but I do have a couple quick things I've noticed.

One, the screen is great. I'm used to the amoled screens but this is a very high quality lcd so I'm happy.

Two, the eye tracking features seem to work well enough... if I'm not wearing my glasses. Unfortunately I always am so those features are completely broken for me. Not a huge loss but kind of a bummer.

We'll see tomorrow what the battery life brings.
 

lopri

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I saw it at a store and it's really a hard call between the S4 and the S4 Active if I were in the market. On one hand the S4 Active seems better in almost every regard (save camera), but what I've learned from my friend who uses the S4 without screen protector (she has one of those flip covers, negating some risks of screen scratches) is how smooth the Gorilla Glass 3 is. I have always applied screen protectors for all of my touch-screen devices and when I played with my friend's S4 with its naked GG3, I felt like I'd been missing out.

So I compared the GG2 (S4 Active) and GG3 (S4) at the store and they felt different - i.e. GG3 felt better. Is it a legitimate difference, or am I being prejudiced?
 

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S4 Active Battery Test:
New S4 Active Review claims battery equal to the original S4 results from AnTuTu Battery Test

"The (S4 Active) device also kept pace with its forerunner in terms of battery life, (S4 ACTIVE) scoring a 489 to the Galaxy S 4′s 470 in the AnTuTu Battery Test. In real-world terms, that means the Galaxy S 4 Active put up with over 15 hours’ worth of photo-taking, texting, talking, browsing, and constant S Health background activity before hitting the 10% mark, with a screen-on time of 1 hour and 20 minutes."

Full Review
http://wideupdates.com/index/samsung-galaxy-s4-active-review/
 

gorcorps

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I saw it at a store and it's really a hard call between the S4 and the S4 Active if I were in the market. On one hand the S4 Active seems better in almost every regard (save camera), but what I've learned from my friend who uses the S4 without screen protector (she has one of those flip covers, negating some risks of screen scratches) is how smooth the Gorilla Glass 3 is. I have always applied screen protectors for all of my touch-screen devices and when I played with my friend's S4 with its naked GG3, I felt like I'd been missing out.

So I compared the GG2 (S4 Active) and GG3 (S4) at the store and they felt different - i.e. GG3 felt better. Is it a legitimate difference, or am I being prejudiced?

Maybe it's different, but maybe it's just that the Active is brand new so less people have smeared their grubby finders on the floor models. Maybe with use the screen feels better to you (a stretch I know). That said, I almost always use a screen protector because when I didn't I lived to regret it. Scratch resistant is not scratch proof, so I usually just put a screen protector on. Now... they now have screen protectors that are literally thin sheets of tempered glass. I got one for my Active and it feels nice. The only issue I have with it is the added thickness around the now physical buttons which make them a bit harder to press than they would be without it.
 

rcpratt

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I saw it at a store and it's really a hard call between the S4 and the S4 Active if I were in the market. On one hand the S4 Active seems better in almost every regard (save camera), but what I've learned from my friend who uses the S4 without screen protector (she has one of those flip covers, negating some risks of screen scratches) is how smooth the Gorilla Glass 3 is. I have always applied screen protectors for all of my touch-screen devices and when I played with my friend's S4 with its naked GG3, I felt like I'd been missing out.

So I compared the GG2 (S4 Active) and GG3 (S4) at the store and they felt different - i.e. GG3 felt better. Is it a legitimate difference, or am I being prejudiced?
FWIW, I noticed the GG difference on my S4 (when compared to my previous S3) immediately, and I refuse to put a screen protector on it because I think it just feels superior without one. No scratches after a month...

S4 Active Battery Test:
New S4 Active Review claims battery equal to the original S4 results from AnTuTu Battery Test

"The (S4 Active) device also kept pace with its forerunner in terms of battery life, (S4 ACTIVE) scoring a 489 to the Galaxy S 4′s 470 in the AnTuTu Battery Test. In real-world terms, that means the Galaxy S 4 Active put up with over 15 hours’ worth of photo-taking, texting, talking, browsing, and constant S Health background activity before hitting the 10% mark, with a screen-on time of 1 hour and 20 minutes."

Full Review
http://wideupdates.com/index/samsung-galaxy-s4-active-review/
Not going to read the whole review, but 1:20 screen time, really? That's awful. Maybe it's just a really screen-off heavy test...but that certainly doesn't inspire confidence in the test, for me. Any S4 should have no trouble getting 3h and I would really consider 2.5-4h the norm.
 

gorcorps

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Midway through the day and I'm at 82% (since 6am, currenly 11am). I've probably woken it up more often than normal just to look at it, but I didn't do the usual thing I did with my GS3 which was plug it in on my way to work because I knew it wasn't going to make it. So it seems to be doing well enough.

One of the big things I've noticed is that the signal strength on this thing is WAY better than the GS3 was in the same areas. I've always had issues at work because I work out in the boonies in manufacturing, so there's a lot of machinery and interference. I'm getting pretty consistent H+ connection in areas that could barely get edge on the same carrier just yesterday. Maybe I just didn't have the best modem for my area or something, but the Active so far has impressed me with it's signal strength in low signal areas.
 

gorcorps

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So it's near the end of the day (~9pm here) and I'm at 35% with a screen on time of right at 1 hour. I didn't use it much today because I was golfing, so the battery life seems a little short but still better than my galaxy s3 was at. However I did some digging and found that Maps was defaulted to automatically update location which I disabled on the S3. I just noticed that so I'll have a better idea tomorrow how much difference it makes with it disabled.

Still... it's annoying we have to disable features the phone is made to use just to get through a day. That's applicable to pretty much all phones though, not just this one. I should be able to keep all email syncs enabled, and not have to toggle GPS on every time I want to use it.
 

WelshBloke

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... it's annoying we have to disable features the phone is made to use just to get through a day. That's applicable to pretty much all phones though, not just this one. I should be able to keep all email syncs enabled, and not have to toggle GPS on every time I want to use it.

Not so much.

 

lopri

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Is there an in-depth comparison of Gorilla Glass 3 and Gorilla Glass 2 somewhere?
 

gorcorps

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Not so much.


You get that kind of screen-on time with everything enabled? Email sync, gps, weather updates, etc? Seems to me that most people get stuff like that after some pretty heavy mods and limitations which just hurts what a smartphone can do. If you can get that with everything enabled then I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 

WelshBloke

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You get that kind of screen-on time with everything enabled? Email sync, gps, weather updates, etc? Seems to me that most people get stuff like that after some pretty heavy mods and limitations which just hurts what a smartphone can do. If you can get that with everything enabled then I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

That's with everything enabled and syncing a crap ton of stuff. Wifi and bluetooth were off though (my work wifi seems to eff up a lot of messenger apps).

Stock Touchwiz rom that has been debloated and custom kernel (latest perseus).

Total uptime is not so great with that screen time though (think it was about 14 hours).




I should probably mention that I use the official Samsung extended battery I suppose.
 

gorcorps

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That's with everything enabled and syncing a crap ton of stuff. Wifi and bluetooth were off though (my work wifi seems to eff up a lot of messenger apps).

Stock Touchwiz rom that has been debloated and custom kernel (latest perseus).

Total uptime is not so great with that screen time though (think it was about 14 hours).




I should probably mention that I use the official Samsung extended battery I suppose.

Ah. But didn't that only up it to like 3000mAh? So still impressive. Did the kernel come with custom voltages?


Last update for people who want real world examples. I'm going to bed with 15% battery, 1:45 screen on time. I played games and browsed AT for a while after my last update so this was my heaviest use of the day.
 

lothar

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So it's near the end of the day (~9pm here) and I'm at 35% with a screen on time of right at 1 hour. I didn't use it much today because I was golfing, so the battery life seems a little short but still better than my galaxy s3 was at. However I did some digging and found that Maps was defaulted to automatically update location which I disabled on the S3. I just noticed that so I'll have a better idea tomorrow how much difference it makes with it disabled.

Still... it's annoying we have to disable features the phone is made to use just to get through a day. That's applicable to pretty much all phones though, not just this one. I should be able to keep all email syncs enabled, and not have to toggle GPS on every time I want to use it.
Damn...That sucks. You claim it's better than your Galaxy S III, well that sucks too.
Even my Nexus 4 is much better than that and people always complain about it's battery.

Umm...That's not at all true for most phones released the past 2 years unless you either bought one of those cheap $150-200 no contract pre-paid phones or you have some rogue app draining your battery.
Even on my Galaxy S II, I got more than 1 hour of screen time before reaching the 35% mark and no, I never had to disable email syncs or toggle GPS.
If you have to disable all those things that make it a smart phone, then you might as well buy a feature phone.

Given the battery on both this phone and your Galaxy S3 sucks ass, I'd say you have some sort of rogue program that you probably installed on both.
There is not one review on the web out there claiming that the Galaxy S3 has a 1-1.5 hour screen time...Not on GSMArena, not on Anandtech, and I'm sure it's not on one of the other inferior battery testing sites like Engadget/Verge/and others either.

Install BetterBatteryStats and investigate to find out what's causing wakelocks.
 

lothar

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You get that kind of screen-on time with everything enabled? Email sync, gps, weather updates, etc? Seems to me that most people get stuff like that after some pretty heavy mods and limitations which just hurts what a smartphone can do. If you can get that with everything enabled then I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
On both the Galaxy S II and Nexus 4, I've never had to disable email sync, GPS, WiFi, or weather updates.
 
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