So... what are the features of the Samsung chip? Anything known as of yet? Is it in something that's actually out yet?
Exynos SoCs have always been competitive on a performance level with Qualcomm ones (a lot of the time they are faster). Qualcomm has always had the advantage of a better integrated/more advanced lte modem.So... what are the features of the Samsung chip? Anything known as of yet? Is it in something that's actually out yet?
Overheated? Damn.
There's been lots of reports of the 810 overheating.
I KNEW these slapped together Qualcomm 64 bit chips would be garbage. The SECOND the 5S hit with 64 bit that company had its 2015 ruined,
It's really ARM's fault considering the SD810 is just the ARM A57 and A53 cores. Qualcomm didn't have enough time to finish their own core like for the Kraits.
Yes times 1000. ARM has a great platform, but they suck at making SoCs. Samsung is the only top tier Android maker using their cores and the Exynos has had HUGE problems (like how the S4 SoC was completely broken) as they have tried to digest crappy designed standard ARM cores.
Anyone who follows the industry could see this coming a mile away. NO ONE has implemented standard ARM cores without experience or issues. There was no way Qualcomm could do it first try. No way. I have been beating the drum since mid last year that Android in 2015 was going to be a potential wasteland. But some people didn't want to listen.
Something tells me this is why we will see a custom core from Qualcomm this year instead of the next. Sometimes the only way to do something right is to do it yourself.
Where is intel to the rescue?
Hmmm, Samsung seems to be the only OEM doing this.
No doubt it'll hurt them.
It'll also hurt their processor/fabbing business if Qualcomm decides to take its SoC manufacturing to a competitor like Apple did as a retaliation. Samsung can't seem to do anything right lately.
But, if Samsung's concerns are legit, then this could be the opportunity Intel has been waiting for...
They are the only OEM that can do this. (apart from Apple, and it seems to work for them)
Having a functional SOC whilst everyone else has an overheating one will hurt them?
Lol. Samsung fabs will be fine, they have plenty of business.
Or Samsung could sell Exynos to other OEMs eventually.
I misspoke. You are right, it should be 2560x1440.I don't see any reason for why Samsung should do something different from every other manufacturer out there? There's not even been the slightest hint than anyone is going 16:10 instead of 16:9.
So... what are the features of the Samsung chip? Anything known as of yet? Is it in something that's actually out yet?
Well, LG's vice president of mobile, Woo Ram-chan, commented on the supposed obstacle, while on a press event for the new G Flex 2. According to him, the Snapdragon 810-equipped banana phone actually emits less heat than other smartphones at the moment, and he really did not understand how the overheating report could be true.
We would make six points:
- we believe the vast majority of investors with whom we speak are well aware of the issues and expect at least some of the models to be launched w/ Samsung's own Exynos processor so the press is hardly uncovering new information;
- our work has long suggested that Qualcomm was rushed and didn't have time to customize the ARM core for 20nm for the 810 and there was an issue w/the ARM design (Apple is already fully customized, for example, so it didn't have this issue);
- we believe the design issue was at the base layers - not metal as indicated by some competitors in Asia - and the resulting delay was ~2-3mos;
- we believe Qualcomm already solved the issue and production for 810 is ~2-3mos behind schedule;
- this press report speculates that Samsung will use Exynos for ALL models - we consider this UNLIKELY as Samsung would have to use a different modem and RF in addition to the SoC - this is a very big undertaking and our work suggested Samsung was not ready with a complete solution;
- thus, our view remains unchanged - our best guess is that Samsung will likely launch the Galaxy S6 in Korea with its own Exynos but slightly delay shipments in other regions to accommodate Qualcomm's delayed schedule.
I feel so happy I was desperate to get a high-end 32 bit phone last year. I just had a feeling 2015 SoCs might suck and I would want the option to NOT need to buy a phone this year.
Something else must be going on. I usually do not take interest in corporate politics so the whole saga kind of became meh. In any case we will know in a few months
Are you sure that model isn't 2560x1440?
Are you sure that model isn't 2560x1440?
You have a weird penchant to flip the argument whenever Samsung is in the equation, Dari. Most people seem to believe the S810 situation is such that Qualcomm is losing the Samsung as customer, not the other way around. (what does "losing Qualcomm in the fab business" mean? Qualcomm is not in the fab business)
I misspoke. You are right, it should be 2560x1440.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/to-snapdragon-805-to-exynos-5433-t2868247
190+ pages of bickering between Snapdragon fans and Exynos fans. There is also infighting between Touchwiz ROM fans and AOSP ROM fans mixed in the thread. You would think a forum dedicated to a single device would be less antagonistic among the participants.
I did not read the whole thread (no freaking way) but the consensus at the end seems to be that Exynos 5433 has better CPU performance and Snapdragon 805 has better GPU performance.
What is shocking, though, is that some knowledgeable folks think the new Exynos 7420 (A57/A54 big.LITTLE) that is expected to run the Galaxy S6 is built on 14nm process. Exynos 5433 running on the Note 4 are a 20nm product. Can Samsung really move ahead that fast? If true, they barely even utilized 20nm process. (some A8/A8X and some Exynos 5433?)