Samsung is in the fab business and qualcomm is their customer. Qualcomm could easily go elsewhere and Samsung would be stuck with producing only their chips, driving up their cost. Anyway, all this is just rumor and hearsay so we'll see what's what in a couple of months. But, considering that Samsung is the only firm complaining about the S810 overheating, I think this may be an excuse to ditch Snapdragon for their own subpar, bottom-feeding SoC and, hopefully, stay in the good graces of Qualcomm. Or maybe it's a way to pressure Qualcomm in lowering its price. All speculations at this point...
Are you sure that model isn't 2560x1440?
Meh - it's not speculation that the S810 won't be custom cores. It's not speculation that Samsung has experience with the A57/A53 in phones that launched 4 months ago on their 20nm process.
I'm personally leaning toward the S810 being underwhelming in 1H 2015. Ever since QC released the S800, it feels a bit like they've been coasting with the S801 and S805 being minor improvements. Heck a LG G2 using a S800 released in summer 2013 still feels competitive performance-wise to QC's current stuff.
Better GPUs, more pixels, more ram, 64 bit.So if the S810 isn't anything special, what do those of us upgrading this year have to look forward to? Is it better in terms of power management at least?
So if the S810 isn't anything special, what do those of us upgrading this year have to look forward to? Is it better in terms of power management at least?
That may be true in another context but not in this context. Here, Samsung is a customer who buys chips designed by Qualcomm for its Galaxy S phones. Incestuous, I know. I do not like it but on balance it has so far been better than a virtual monopoly a la Intel which charges $200~$1,000 for its consumer products and forces you to "upgrade" motherboards for another $200~$400 at the same time.Samsung is in the fab business and qualcomm is their customer.
My impression has been the S810 is manufactured on TSMC's 20nm process?Qualcomm could easily go elsewhere and Samsung would be stuck with producing only their chips, driving up their cost.
I thought it was some dude @JP Morgan who started it..? LG was the first OEM that said anything about the rumor and it denied any trouble about S810.But, considering that Samsung is the only firm complaining about the S810 overheating
More likely that S800 was originally meant for phones and S805 was for tablets. (thus lack of integrated baseband in S805) S805's GPU subsystem is a huge improvement over S800's as well.I'm personally leaning toward the S810 being underwhelming in 1H 2015. Ever since QC released the S800, it feels a bit like they've been coasting with the S801 and S805 being minor improvements. Heck a LG G2 using a S800 released in summer 2013 still feels competitive performance-wise to QC's current stuff.
I would think the A5 had that honor.More likely that S800 was originally meant for phones and S805 was for tablets. (thus lack of integrated baseband in S805) S805's GPU subsystem is a huge improvement over S800's as well.
S800 is the first chip that should go to the mobile-SOC Hall of Fame. It's that good, IMO.
That may be true in another context but not in this context. Here, Samsung is a customer who buys chips designed by Qualcomm for its Galaxy S phones. Incestuous, I know. I do not like it but on balance it has so far been better than a virtual monopoly a la Intel which charges $200~$1,000 for its consumer products and forces you to "upgrade" motherboards for another $200~$400 at the same time.
My impression has been the S810 is manufactured on TSMC's 20nm process?
I thought it was some dude @JP Morgan who started it..? LG was the first OEM that said anything about the rumor and it denied any trouble about S810.
...it looks like Qualcomm is working on a redesign to address the heat emission issue and should have a solution for Samsung by March.
It is not known if that will be in time for Samsungs plans for manufacturing its new line of devices in 2015, but Qualcomm is undaunted since the Snapdragon 810 is obviously an integral part of the chipmakers strategy.
Exynos 7420 in action, presumably inside of the Galaxy S6?
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_exynos_7420_aces_geekbench_30-news-10921.php
Excellent performance no doubt. Though it is alone in the running because there is no other 14nm SOC to compare it with.
Andrei. said:
I'm impressed this has caught up to the current A series. From the A7 on, it has dominated its direct competition. For the first time in a while, even midway through the iPhone cycle, it looks like Samsung has caught up. Not exceeded in any real world case, but caught up at least for 6 months.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/1786937?baseline=1780313
With the software improvements in lollipop being tested, it should be a good year from a performance standpoint for Samsung. For sure TW has long needed it and they're a year late frankly but at least it's here.
http://www.xda-developers.com/analysis-of-the-galaxy-note-3-android-5-0-leak/
.. in regard to this exact rumor, it is now speculated that if this turns out to be the case and Qualcomm really modifies the chip so it suits Samsung's needs better, then LG might sue the Snapdragon 810 maker. The reason is that such a belated improvement of the chipset will confirm the rumors that the chipset has had multiple issues that Qualcomm was aware of, which can potentially trigger a slew of legal disputes.
But... but LG say there's nothing wrong with it so why are they stressed if Qualcomm fix something that isn't broken?lol? The drama continues. :awe:
LG might sue Qualcomm if it exclusively modifies the Snapdragon 810 chipset for Samsung
Agreed. For the first time since 2011 Qualcomm is selling the clearly worse chip. I wonder if Exynos will come stateside. That is tempting..Wow S810 getting its clock cleaned... not looking good for LG or HTC.
Edit: Why on earth would Samsung use Qualcomm silicon when they have this beast in the 7420? They are at least a node ahead of Qualcomm in ST and way more in MT.