Samsung Galaxy S6 hype thread

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ChronoReverse

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Yeah but the screen is only 20% more efficient when its on. When they are off the power draw of both of them is the same.

What I meant is that if my GS4 has 4 day standby time and presumably the GS5 has better than that, then the standby time is not really relevant compared to screen-on time.

Nowadays, I consider the minimum standard for screen-on web browsing time to be 8 hours (I get 4 with my GS4 but I hear the Note 4 gets 12 hours!!!!).
 

Dari

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Not really.

Samsung is a huge conglomerate. Sure, it's profits went downhill in 2014 but it still made more profit than Toyota and all Japanese electronics companies combined. Don't believe me?

For fiscal 2014 (Samsung's worst year since 2011), Samsung still made $21.45 billion USD in net profits. That's more than these companies combined: Toyota ($17.76 billion USD), Sony (-$1.4 billion USD), Panasonic ($1.1 billion USD), Sharp (-$1.65 billion USD) Canon ($1.5 billion USD), Hitachi ($1 billion USD) and Toshiba (-$0.251 billion USD) combined ($18.059 billion USD in profits combined for the biggest Japanese automaker, Toyota + all the Japanese electronics "giants").

I think it's Apple which is most in danger of going downhill if smartphones and tablets ever become less popular. Of course, we don't see this happening in the foreseeable future. But Apple is much less diversified than Samsung.

And if Samsung ever halts supply of its technologically advanced parts to Apple, then Apple's in big trouble as everyone else like TSMC and Qualcomm are way way behind in FinFET technology. And Micron, Toshiba, etc are way behind in DRAM technology.

What? Not really what? Also, I wonder if they took a write-down for all those unsold S5s...
 

WelshBloke

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What I meant is that if my GS4 has 4 day standby time and presumably the GS5 has better than that, then the standby time is not really relevant compared to screen-on time.

Nowadays, I consider the minimum standard for screen-on web browsing time to be 8 hours (I get 4 with my GS4 but I hear the Note 4 gets 12 hours!!!!).

I was just saying that a 20% increase in screen efficientcy doesnt equal a 20% increase in battery life unless the screen is on all the time. Whereas a 10% reduction in battery capacity equals a 10% decrease in battery life.

All we need to do is wait to see if the efficiencies outweigh the battery size decrease.

Either way its going to not be enough for me I think unless they can mitigate a 1100mAh decrease in battery capacity.
 

Achtung!

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What? Not really what? Also, I wonder if they took a write-down for all those unsold S5s...

They sold all the S5s by now.

I asked multiple carriers about having too much S5 stock and they said they eventually sold a whole chunk of them and slowed down on ordering more S5s around mid-December of 2014.
 

lopri

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Wow, the Note 3 screen still looks pretty good to me, so the Note 4 and S6 must be really nice. Can't wait until OLED takes over for LCD.

I saw my parents last weekend and set up a WiFi on their S4s for a new router. I frankly thought the S4 still looked very good. I imagined their phone might be suffering worsened lags from updates and usage, and thought their screens could show visible burn-ins. I was wrong.

The phones felt as smooth as they did 2 years ago, and I did not see a sign of burn-ins on either. Of course the perceived smoothness should be considered in the context of Touchwiz running on S4, which means janks all around, but from what I can tell they at least did not get worse. This is a stark contrast to my Nexus 4 which got progressively slower over time (lags), despite having much fewer janks.

I know they want new phones (my dad wants a phablet!) but after seeing their perfectly functional S4s.. hmm.. I will have to think about options when the S6 comes out.
 

lopri

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And heads-up: Samsung is still manufacturing A8 chips. It didn't have 14nm ready in summer 2014, when iPhone 6 production started. Don't be surprised if there's an iPhone 6s this fall which uses 14nm A9 chips.

Samsung does not manufacture A8 or A8X. I also mistakenly believed Samsung manufactures A8X for iPads and TSMC manufactures A8 for iPhones. Nope. Both are manufactured by TSMC. It kind of makes sense if you look at the situation - Until now (pre-S810) TSMC's 20nm was like a custom node for Apple, producing nothing but A8/A8X chips. On the contrary, Samsung almost skipped 20nm and went directly to 14nm.

Rumor has it that Samsung will manufacture A9 for iPhone 6s and TSMC will manufacture A9X for iPad Air 3/Pro. Still a rumor until we see the products. (but what surprise are you referring to? It is a current consensus that A9 will be manufactured by Samsung's 14nm)
 

Dari

Lifer
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They sold all the S5s by now.

I asked multiple carriers about having too much S5 stock and they said they eventually sold a whole chunk of them and slowed down on ordering more S5s around mid-December of 2014.

You "asked multiple carriers"? Who are you, a Samsung manager?

http://blogs.barrons.com/asiastocks...ifferent-to-s5-could-ship-50-million-in-2015/


That could be more than the iPhone 6 / 6 Plus shipments in 1 year.

Considering the fact that probably not even 50% of the 70 million iPhones that Apple sold in Q4 2014 were iPhone 6 / 6 Plus models.

Barrons has been whoring Samsung securities for over a year now, saying they're the next big thing. Their analyses was dead wrong on both counts so this advert can be dismissed.
 
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GTaudiophile

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Why can't Samsung sell a "pure" version of the S6 with stock Android and sell it on the GooglePlay Store? (With the ability to receive OS updates like Nexus phones.)

What's stopping them? Why not?
 

poofyhairguy

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Why can't Samsung sell a "pure" version of the S6 with stock Android and sell it on the GooglePlay Store? (With the ability to receive OS updates like Nexus phones.)

What's stopping them? Why not?
The GPe program seems to be dead.

The did have a S4 GPe, but that was it.
 

Achtung!

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You "asked multiple carriers"? Who are you, a Samsung manager?

Do I have to be a Samsung manager to ask multiple carriers about sales of phones?

Barrons has been whoring Samsung securities for over a year now, saying they're the next big thing. Their analyses was dead wrong on both counts so this advert can be dismissed.

I guess you can dismiss anything you don't like to hear, right?
 
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I saw my parents last weekend and set up a WiFi on their S4s for a new router. I frankly thought the S4 still looked very good. I imagined their phone might be suffering worsened lags from updates and usage, and thought their screens could show visible burn-ins. I was wrong.

The phones felt as smooth as they did 2 years ago, and I did not see a sign of burn-ins on either. Of course the perceived smoothness should be considered in the context of Touchwiz running on S4, which means janks all around, but from what I can tell they at least did not get worse. This is a stark contrast to my Nexus 4 which got progressively slower over time (lags), despite having much fewer janks.

I know they want new phones (my dad wants a phablet!) but after seeing their perfectly functional S4s.. hmm.. I will have to think about options when the S6 comes out.

Yeah. I kinda want to change phones, but can't really find a great reason to. Best reason is whatever Samsung did to the camera software wise on the Note 3 (although I think it's possible to get around that using 3rd party apps, and I think Samsung sent ringers for reviewers as I've seen several reviews that show pictures that look a lot better than the ones mine takes) and maybe would like a smaller footprint. Also do wish I had iPhone fingerprint sensor (but have no interest in the current iPhones myself, will see what they come up with in the fall). But the display is still nice (even with the cinema or whatever mode that offers the most accurate colors, and the brightness turned down, colors still pop in ways that LCD just does not match, there are some art/stylized images that really just look almost ethereal (makes me giddy thinking about newer better versions of these displays getting used in VR headsets). And the performance is still great. I did have the camera lockup on me requiring a restart (I hardly ever reboot and don't notice it getting slow, but do every so often like after a bunch of updates), but that happened only once. But still, kinda want to try one of the good Lumia's and Windows 10.

Oh, the display definitely suffers in direct sunlight, which I've heard is much improved on the newer displays so that alone would probably be very nice.

If they do want to upgrade then they'll have no problem selling their S4s for a decent price (locally like on Facebook/Craigslist), as there's a lot of people that that would be a great upgrade for (and then they could use them on MVNOs) since they're still trying to sell stuff like S3s for $100-250.
 

dawheat

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The GPe program seems to be dead.

The did have a S4 GPe, but that was it.

Yeah - unfortunately the GPe program looked setup to fail from the start. It was introduced in between the launch of the Nexus 4 and 5 - both which were half the price. I think it's safe to say that sales sucked.

It would be a bit more interesting today considering the Nexus 6 is $650/700 and a GPe S6 would be an interesting device, though not as compelling considering the improvements to TW vs the S4.
 

Dari

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Do I have to be a Samsung manager to ask multiple carriers about sales of phones?



I guess you can dismiss anything you don't like to hear, right?

I don't know of anyone that has the time and interest to ask "multiple carriers" about how much S5s they have in stock unless they work for the firm that makes them or are heavily invested.

As for your 2nd sentence, in January 2014 Barrons said Samsung was going to have a record year in 2014. They recommended the stock. 9 or 10 months later they stuck to their guns. 2014 was a disaster for Samsung, relatively speaking...
 

Achtung!

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When can we expect the first reviews?

Probably by April 10?

I don't know of anyone that has the time and interest to ask "multiple carriers" about how much S5s they have in stock unless they work for the firm that makes them or are heavily invested.

Well I asked AT&T and Verizon about S5 sales back earlier this year just to see how they managed with excess S5 inventories. Both of them denied any real excess inventories...

As for your 2nd sentence, in January 2014 Barrons said Samsung was going to have a record year in 2014. They recommended the stock. 9 or 10 months later they stuck to their guns. 2014 was a disaster for Samsung, relatively speaking...

Except this time it was from multiple sources.

Samsung's own numbers suggest that the S6 / S6 Edge will definitely surpass S4 and S5 sales.

We'll see.
 
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Snappysneaky

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I have s4 and I liked it very much, I mean I loved it and honestly, I'm tempted to upgrade with the beautiful,awesome display of S6 and its features. I reckoned it looked good with an IQ Shield screen protector.
 

Achtung!

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I have s4 and I liked it very much, I mean I loved it and honestly, I'm tempted to upgrade with the beautiful,awesome display of S6 and its features. I reckoned it looked good with an IQ Shield screen protector.

I have an SGS4 too and my contract is over.

Time to upgrade to the Galaxy S6 Edge! I'll probably buy black sapphire or green emerald for myself.
 

Achtung!

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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s6-review-1227.php

It seems like the modem is indeed a lot more inefficient compared to qualcomm since the 3g talktime is only 17hrs compared to 27 of s5

Uhh... that is a huge misinterpretation.

The S5 has a longer stand by time than the S6. Have you ever thought about that?

The reason for this is the quad HD display, more powerful processor and slightly smaller battery.

All this was compromised for the attractive design.

It still lasts 2.5 days in stand by time though. Good enough.
 

zebrax2

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^From their testing methodology

The first test is the talk time test, which measures how long it takes to deplete the battery by making voice calls. Bearing in mind that most screens automatically turn off during a call, we've made sure our set up accounts for this. We close all applications which may further strain the battery, too.

That takes out the screen for the most part and while it does have a more powerful processor it would be idle most of the time anyway on the 3g talk time test. As for the battery its only a 10% deficit a far cry from the almost 40% deficit from the S5 3g talk time. Also the web browsing and video playback times, which do use screen as well as to some extent the processor, didn't suffer as much as the 3g talk time.
 
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dawheat

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^From their testing methodology



That takes out the screen for the most part and while it does have a more powerful processor it would be idle most of the time anyway on the 3g talk time test. As for the battery its only a 10% deficit a far cry from the almost 40% deficit from the S5 3g talk time. Also the web browsing and video playback times, which do use screen as well as to some extent the processor, didn't suffer as much as the 3g talk time.

I agree - I think it's a fair assumption since voice calls don't stress other components. Hopefully it's something Samsung can improve with future updates, though I will say that talk time may be the least important battery life measurement for most people.

I'm more disappointed that the web and video time dropped from the S5 - it's not bad, but not great either.

I do wonder how they GSMarena got the phone as it's not for sale yet and I don't think they mentioned what version it was or what network they were testing on. Hopefully there is some tweaking prior to the phones going for sale in about a month.
 
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