Samsung intros custom AMD Jaguar Ativ Book Lite (runs up to 8.5 hours)

[fusion238]

Euro sites reporting Samsung using customized version of AMD Jaguar quad core APU in their new Ativ Book 9 Lite 13" Win 8.1 ultranote with optional touchscreen. Non touch version runs up to 8.5 hours. They have Haswell and ultrares option for Ativ Book 9 Plus with up to 12 hours operation.

Samsung AMD version non-touch and touch versions will be around $450-$650 while Samsung Intel Haswell version will cost around $1500+.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/laptop/3453926/samsung-ativ-book-9-plus-book-9-review/

 

[Khato]

I'm curious as to where pricing was reported? Not that a marked difference in price isn't to be expected given the stark differences in chassis and display quality. Just that all of the coverage I'd read stated that pricing was not yet available.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I'm curious as to where pricing was reported? Not that a marked difference in price isn't to be expected given the stark differences in chassis and display quality. Just that all of the coverage I'd read stated that pricing was not yet available.

I think the prices are just a guess, but I am sure the Haswell system will be well over 1000 dollars.

How much cost does the ultra high res add to a device? I mean, I dont want to go back to 768p, but is anything over 1080p really necessary or useful in a laptop, especially a 13 or 14 inch one?

I have a matte 15.6 inch Dell laptop for my job, 1080p, and I think the screen is fantastic. Cant imagine needing any higher resolution than that, not to mention text is somewhat small already at only 1080p.

Edit: and on the high end Haswell model, why on earth would you want an option to switch to Android OS. Kind of like switching back to a horse and buggy from a Lexus!

 

[Khato]

I have a matte 15.6 inch Dell laptop for my job, 1080p, and I think the screen is fantastic. Cant imagine needing any higher resolution than that, not to mention text is somewhat small already at only 1080p.

Well I'll mostly agree with that. The extra space afforded by 2560x1440 is nice, though such is lost if it's too small and hence requires DPI scaling. It's on the larger desktop monitors that the higher resolution is really necessary... and maybe a step up for the 15 and 17 inch laptops. (I sure hope I'll be able to get higher resolution on my next work laptop, would certainly make looking at waveforms a bit easier.)

I'd expect the ultra high resolution is still somewhere in the $50-$100 adder to device cost. Quite possibly on the higher end of that if it's a new resolution/size that doesn't have much economy of scale going for it yet. (As an aside, the current Samsung Series 9 run anywhere from $1100 to $1900, so who knows where exactly the low end of the Ativ 9 Plus will be.)

 

[Vesku]

I think the prices are just a guess, but I am sure the Haswell system will be well over 1000 dollars.

How much cost does the ultra high res add to a device? I mean, I dont want to go back to 768p, but is anything over 1080p really necessary or useful in a laptop, especially a 13 or 14 inch one?

I have a matte 15.6 inch Dell laptop for my job, 1080p, and I think the screen is fantastic. Cant imagine needing any higher resolution than that, not to mention text is somewhat small already at only 1080p.

Edit: and on the high end Haswell model, why on earth would you want an option to switch to Android OS. Kind of like switching back to a horse and buggy from a Lexus!

Well there is a Chinese tablet with 1920x1200 10.1 inch screen that retails for ~$250, so I'd say that the high res screen price differentiation has more to do with marketing than component price.

http://www.cube-tablet.com/cube-u30gt-rk3188-quad-core-tablet-pc-10-retina-android-4-1-white.html

 

[grimpr]

Euro sites reporting Samsung using customized version of AMD Jaguar quad core APU in their new Ativ Book 9 Lite 13" Win 8.1 ultranote with optional touchscreen. Non touch version runs up to 8.5 hours. They have Haswell and ultrares option for Ativ Book 9 Plus with up to 12 hours operation.

Samsung AMD version non-touch and touch versions will be around $450-$650 while Samsung Intel Haswell version will cost around $1500+.

Good luck to Samsung selling its Intel ultrabooks at those prices, Apple took their cake and ate it all.

 

[Anonemous]

Good luck to Samsung selling its Intel ultrabooks at those prices, Apple took their cake and ate it all.

I know right, it has like a 3200x1800 touchscreen with 12 hour battery life why would anyone want that? /s

 

[happysmiles]

finally someone puts AMD into a decent chassis although 1440x900 would of been nice.

 

[FwFred]

Decent battery life, but crazy that the Haswell version gets 40% better while still having a 3200x1800 screen. It'll be interesting to compare Kabini @ 25W vs. Haswell GT2 @ 15W.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Decent battery life, but crazy that the Haswell version gets 40% better while still having a 3200x1800 screen. It'll be interesting to compare Kabini @ 25W vs. Haswell GT2 @ 15W.

That doesnt make sense to me. Maybe the Haswell platform has a larger battery?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Good luck to Samsung selling its Intel ultrabooks at those prices, Apple took their cake and ate it all.

Just like with cellphones right? The only reason apple is able to do what they do with laptops is because no one has challenged them.

 

[monstercameron]

Decent battery life, but crazy that the Haswell version gets 40% better while still having a 3200x1800 screen. It'll be interesting to compare Kabini @ 25W vs. Haswell GT2 @ 15W.

this isnt the a6-5200

Quad Core Processor (up to 1.4 GHz)

that means a6-1450, so I think its safe to assume that the haswell part has a much larger battery.

kabini version even weighs more, are these even the same chasis?

 

[Khato]

that means a6-1450, so I think its safe to assume that the haswell part has a much larger battery.

kabini version even weighs more, are these even the same chasis?

They're completely different laptops. That said, while I wouldn't be surprised if the Ativ 9 Plus has a larger battery I'd expect the majority of the difference to be due to AMD's higher 'active idle' power usage. According to Anandtech's reviews of AMD's Kabini reference laptop and Acer's Haswell S7 Ultrabook, Kabini only obtained 6.91 Min/Wh in the Battery Life 2013 Light Normalized while Haswell is up to almost 11 Min/Wh (504 minutes on a 46 Wh battery.)

Edit: Actually who knows, they may well have equal battery sizes... or Haswell could even have a slightly smaller battery in order to fit into the smaller chassis.

 

[monstercameron]

They're completely different laptops. That said, while I wouldn't be surprised if the Ativ 9 Plus has a larger battery I'd expect the majority of the difference to be due to AMD's higher 'active idle' power usage. According to Anandtech's reviews of AMD's Kabini reference laptop and Acer's Haswell S7 Ultrabook, Kabini only obtained 6.91 Min/Wh in the Battery Life 2013 Light Normalized while Haswell is up to almost 11 Min/Wh (504 minutes on a 46 Wh battery.)

Edit: Actually who knows, they may well have equal battery sizes... or Haswell could even have a slightly smaller battery in order to fit into the smaller chassis.

two different chassis and where did you get the 11min/Wh?

pcmark8 is around 6.8min/Wh, kabini should still be more efficient, intel will easily blow the tdp when loaded, where intel shines is idle.

 

[Khato]

two different chassis and where did you get the 11min/Wh?

pcmark8 is around 6.8min/Wh, kabini should still be more efficient, intel will easily blow the tdp when loaded, where intel shines is idle.

As stated, the Haswell based Acer S7 review ran for 504 minutes in the Battery Life 2013 - Light test and it has a 46 Wh battery. Since Battery Life 2013 - Light Normalized is just a derivation of that we divide 504 minutes by 46 Wh to arrive at 10.9565 minutes/Wh (yes, I rounded up to 11.)

As for power consumption under load... yeah, I'd sure hope for AMD's sake that Intel's part that offers 1.5x (or more) graphics, roughly 1.8x multi-threaded, and over 3x the single-threaded performance draws more power in the process of achieving those results. Certainly hope that we get a full Haswell ULT review sometime soon in order to provide a good comparison between them.

(As an aside, if Haswell is already beating Kabini on power... imagine what Baytrail will look like.)

 

[frozentundra123456]

I think it is probably platform related, but in the early reviews I am not that impressed with kabini battery life for such a low performance chip.

 

[FwFred]

this isnt the a6-5200

Look at the text in Anand's article:

It says A6-5200

 

[FwFred]

25W TDP would also explain why it is quite a bit thicker than the Haswell Book 9.

 

[Khato]

That screen shot is of the ATIV One 5. Here's the equivalent screenshot of the ATIV Book 9 Lite from the gallery:

 

[ViRGE]

Look at the text in Anand's article:

It says A6-5200

Bigger version: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7093/DSC_0926.JPG

 

[beginner99]

(As an aside, if Haswell is already beating Kabini on power... imagine what Baytrail will look like.)

Exactly. Kabini can only compete on price. Thats why it will only be in cheap < $500 laptops. And once haswell based mobile celerons are available it will become useless.

 

[monstercameron]

Look at the text in Anand's article:

It says A6-5200

wait whch is which?

one is the ativ one 5 and another is the ativ book 9 lite?

 

[monstercameron]

ok the ativ book 9 lite probably has the a6-1450
http://www.samsung.com/global/ativ/ativbook9lite.html#header

and the ativ one 5 aio probably has the a6-5200
http://www.samsung.com/global/ativ/ativone5style.html

 

[grimpr]

Just like with cellphones right? The only reason apple is able to do what they do with laptops is because no one has challenged them.

Yeah, lets he honest now, who would put 1500$ in cash to buy a pc thin ultrabook with windows 8? its quite laughable already even as an idea. Personally when people ask for laptops in the 900$+ category i always send them to Cupertino, they are just delivering the whole package for the money no questions asked.

 

[sm625]

Being a regular user of each 300+ ppi, 150 ppi, and 80 ppi displays, I can safely say that the 300 ppi screens are just a waste of money. Anything beyond 150ppi is basically just a waste of money.