Samsung is DOOMED if xiaomi comes into town

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I'm not being hyperbolic - I was tired of paying AT&T $$$ a month for meh service so jumped to an MVNO that cuts our bill in 1/3rd. Since I'm forfeiting my galaxy note 9 I picked up a xiaomi a2 lite, a $140 unlocked phone that I thought would just hold me over but is actually impressing the hell out of me. Using an older snapdragon 6xx chipset, the thing opens apps FASTER than my $1,000 flagship. It's all in the software, the android one bloat free helps but there's obviously some deeper optimization going on: app reloads are IOS instant and everything just works without fuss. If xiaomi can make a $200 phone this solid consider me very interested in their sub-$500 flagships. I loved my note 9 and will miss the amazing camera, but there were issues I ignored - bluetooth sometimes wouldn't connect until I rebooted, screen sharing was hit or miss, stutters happen: not with the a2 lite. Everything just works, something I thought was an iphone only trait. what gives other android makers?
 

Oyeve

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I was similarly impressed last year with the Moto Z2 play. Mid-range soc and I loved that phone. Near zero bloat.
 

Rifter

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I agree, if xiaomi comes to north america samsung will be in a world of pain.

I got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro for $200 USD when my S7 Edge screen broke, its easily as fast as my S7e was and battery life is way better. For a phone thats costs 1/5 of what the samsung did. And the rear camera is actually very good, the face cam is a little lacking though.

I'll never buy another flagship $1000+ phone they are a total waste of money.
 

Zaap

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ISince I'm forfeiting my galaxy note 9
If it's an AT&T Note 9.... WHY? Sim would probably work just fine in it, since you're likely just using AT&T or another compatible network.

I've heard this "Samsung is doomed!" line for years. Not quite as much as "Apple is doomed!" of course. I just don't see Samsung shaking that much, though it'd be great if they did. Competition is awesome, and it would push prices down, quality up.

Chinese makes still face a huge uphill battle though in the US market. Huawei being shut out of the US for possible spyware issues didn't help much.

Personally, I've looked at Chinese makes vs. Samsung, and just never found the quality that great. There's always been (for me anyway) some corner-cutting that didn't suit me.

I find I'll think.. sure... if I HAD TO I'd probably use this and be happy with it. But I don't HAVE TO. And I haven't seen the phone yet that'd take my Note 9 out of my hands.

I'd love to be wrong. Maybe if all the makes can get off the 'copy Apple!' bandwagon. I messed with a couple Chinese smartphones that PURPOSEFULLY used a notch that was 100% unneeded to the devices, but it's clear they are just grafting on such things because they think it's hip and "all the rage" and so it's us too! us too!" Still copying the iPhone X, a phone IMO, no one still gives a rat about.

The biggest problem I see (and again, hope to be wrong on this) is that these companies don't innovate- they copy and even steal- they ride the bandwagon. Its possible that if Huawei led the Android market the way Samsung does now, it'd just be "GREAT! Now we can give everyone iPhone-Lite like we want!" For those of us who like Android because it's (for the most part, let's exclude Google itself from this shall we?) NOT trying to be an Apple copycat- that'd be a disaster.

But by all means, give Samsung some real competition based on better features and pushing the true potential of the platform (nope, not you Google!) and I'm all for it. Would be a great thing for consumers.
 
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If it's an AT&T Note 9.... WHY? Sim would probably work just fine in it, since you're likely just using AT&T or another compatible network.

I've heard this "Samsung is doomed!" line for years. Not quite as much as "Apple is doomed!" of course. I just don't see Samsung shaking that much, though it'd be great if they did. Competition is awesome, and it would push prices down, quality up.

Chinese makes still face a huge uphill battle though in the US market. Huawei being shut out of the US for possible spyware issues didn't help much.

Personally, I've looked at Chinese makes vs. Samsung, and just never found the quality that great. There's always been (for me anyway) some corner-cutting that didn't suit me.

I find I'll think.. sure... if I HAD TO I'd probably use this and be happy with it. But I don't HAVE TO. And I haven't seen the phone yet that'd take my Note 9 out of my hands.

I'd love to be wrong. Maybe if all the makes can get off the 'copy Apple!' bandwagon. I messed with a couple Chinese smartphones that PURPOSEFULLY used a notch that was 100% unneeded to the devices, but it's clear they are just grafting on such things because they think it's hip and "all the rage" and so it's us too! us too!" Still copying the iPhone X, a phone IMO, no one still gives a rat about.

The biggest problem I see (and again, hope to be wrong on this) is that these companies don't innovate- they copy and even steal- they ride the bandwagon. Its possible that if Huawei led the Android market the way Samsung does now, it'd just be "GREAT! Now we can give everyone iPhone-Lite like we want!" For those of us who like Android because it's (for the most part, let's exclude Google itself from this shall we?) NOT trying to be an Apple copycat- that'd be a disaster.

But by all means, give Samsung some real competition based on better features and pushing the true potential of the platform (nope, not you Google!) and I'm all for it. Would be a great thing for consumers.

I'm not keeping the note 9 because I still owe money on it, and the remainder is more than the cost of a used note 9. Rather just give it back and eat the fees, bill going from $335 to $60/month, it was worth it.

I think your info re: chinese brands is a bit dated. I would agree with you 5 years ago when I had my horrible Alcatel, but what chinese makers have mastered is rapid iterations, trial and error craftsmanship, and perfectly tying the software to hardware (like apple and google, i love pixel phones). Instead of making a silly comparison between a $1000 flagship and the lowest end xiaomi, i'll just focus on the positives of xiaomi's focus on polish and software perfection vs samsung's feature bloat:

1. Notifications on the xiaomi are instant. I have missed many a "pick up some milk!" facebook messenger messages because it felt as if my galaxy had to poll to get push messages, while my xiaomi dings the moment I get a message

2. bluetooth connects instantly: i used to criticize android's bluetooth stack because my car's sony system would rarely autoconnect without issues - often rebooting the galaxy note every day helped, but sometimes connecting would require a "turn off bluetooth, turn on.. forget device, repair.." dance. I just assumed it was normal. the xiaomi connects within seconds of turning on the car, like my wife's iphone. likewise, chromecasting to my sony tv is now twice as fast, though i can't think of a good reason - the a2 lite just makes that initial connection faster.

3. battery life. on paper, the note 9's battery life is great. USE the phone, and it's merely ok (day an change). my cheap xiaomi is going on 3 days now

4. Memory management is fantastic on the xiaomi - i would reboot my galaxy daily because slowdowns happen. too many tabs, etc. etc. app loads are a hair slower on the a2 than galaxy note, but reloads are consistantly instant. the note on a good day will load the app and do a split second refresh, the xiaomi just loads the app

of course, this $170 device has compromises - the build quality, the screen is not bright enough, the damn micro usb slot - but i'm getting %60 of the functionality at a fraction of the price. Customer service costs money too, you're paying for more things with a major brand, so I"m not being completely fair. But with xioami much of the benefits are software based in my opinion, samsung could catch up but xiaomi is there now: their $300 hardware can take on flagships. THIS generation has to have samsung worried - look up reviews for the Redmi Note 7, and look at the low light pictures, which wipes the floor of the s 10. For $189! Howd they do it? Commodity sony sensors and great software, probably reverse engineered from the pixel to be frank. and my post wasn't hypothetical - you;re wrong, samsung IS worried - the A series and M series were created to try to win back market share in china and india (and now europe), Xiaomi is in the lead with huawei in those crucial markets. when the galaxy represented the best (Best camera, but fluidity, best connectivity and features) it's asking price makes sense. I think pixel (other than the god awful design) has taken that lead leaving samsung among the rest of the good enough.
 
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Zaap

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I'm not keeping the note 9 because I still owe money on it, and the remainder is more than the cost of a used note 9. Rather just give it back and eat the fees, bill going from $335 to $60/month, it was worth it.

That's just a TERRIBLE phone plan. I wonder, is this common? $335 a month for a Note 9 on AT&T? For what? In less than three months at that rate, you could easily just buy the Note 9 outright.

I've experienced no such issues as you list with your Note 9. I'm sure your xiaomi may be fine at those things (seriously, getting messages? Bluetooth?) But a properly working Note 9 has no problems with those things. Mine sure doesn't.

I don't know about xiaomi, but my observations of Chinese brands copying other makes (even for no good reason) still stands. In fact, looking at your phone:




There's absolutely NO reason for it to have the stupid notch. There's plenty of space- as evidenced by the bottom bezel- that could have been used instead. As far as design, it's just another "Hey, everyone else is doing it! Bandwagon!!" The screen isn't even edge to edge.

Look, I'm glad these phones exist and provide choice. Choice is always better than not having it, and it's great people like using these things. (I've used a few cheap phones myself as I said, and find them OK.)

But putting Samsung out of business? Still dreaming.
 
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Oyeve

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Looks like someone is just trying to justify buying mediocre garbage and attempting, poorly, to put Samsung down.
 
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Looks like someone is just trying to justify buying mediocre garbage and attempting, poorly, to put Samsung down.

Thanks for ending the conversation by being a myopic nerd and taking it personally. My next phone will an iPhone because 2 ecosystems in one household is annoying (airplay and Chromecast in particular), but it's not difficult to see that, in a generation or two with some good marketing, Chinese companies will be making companies like lg and eventually samsung niche. Lenovo is one of them doing that already, the g7 plenty of phone for most people at around $250. It's like when people made fun of Korea in the auto industry, time and iterations is all it'll take. Right now the A2 lite is a little small for my taste ,and the cam muddy- I'll wait until the fall to see what the market place brings. S10 will be like $350 then
 

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Thanks for ending the conversation by being a myopic nerd and taking it personally. My next phone will an iPhone because 2 ecosystems in one household is annoying (airplay and Chromecast in particular), but it's not difficult to see that, in a generation or two with some good marketing, Chinese companies will be making companies like lg and eventually samsung niche. Lenovo is one of them doing that already, the g7 plenty of phone for most people at around $250. It's like when people made fun of Korea in the auto industry, time and iterations is all it'll take. Right now the A2 lite is a little small for my taste ,and the cam muddy- I'll wait until the fall to see what the market place brings. S10 will be like $350 then
I'm sure the new Chinese companies will give Samsung some good competition which has been missing in the Android handset manufacturers for awhile.
That said they are going to have to go some to match Samsung at the high end. There just isn't anyone that's making hardware as good as Samsung, plus they have some excellent value added software if you use it. It's going to take a lot to get me to give up Samsungs secure folder.

At the moment Samsung are unmatched at the top, it's going to be great to get some real competition up there. That's what drives the whole Android ecosystem forward.
 

Raduque

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I'm not keeping the note 9 because I still owe money on it, and the remainder is more than the cost of a used note 9. Rather just give it back and eat the fees, bill going from $335 to $60/month, it was worth it.

I don't think this is going to work the way you think it is.
 

elitejp

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Two things you need to realize
1.Any flagship phone is going to cost an arm and a leg and will only give you minor minor upgrades
2. I dont know of any midrange phone from any decent company that doesnt just work and isnt really fast when youve just started using it. Apps opening instantaneously is the norm at the beginning but wait til you have used it for a year then things are different.

My chinese phone is extremely speedy when I first got it but after time every phone slows down. Its just the way it is. And every phone has has issues. My NFC never worked right, my phone rarely connects when there is free open wifi (like in an airport or starbucks etc). The AI for typing just isnt as good as what ive seen on plenty of other phones. So every phone will have its drawbacks. But playing around with it for a month wont be enough time to find these problems. So everything just seems great at the beginning
 

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In India the new stats say above 50% of mobiles bought are of xiaomi brand, Samsung is seen nowhere in India.
And is this because of budget or because xiaomi is so good or so cheap or that the stats are always made up..I own a note 9 (paid 450 for it?) Galaxy s9plus for 400) yes I purchased used because I had such great faith in Samsung build quality.. the xiaomi well I'd be so scared it would break that I'd never spend more than 100 on it. The reason behind 99% of my phone purchases are the camera.. and yes I have been using mvno for so long redpocket saves me a fortune
 

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Even if I could buy a Xiaomi or Huawei phone here in the states, I wouldn't sell my GS9+. It's easily the best mobile device I've yet owned, and except for the inept Pie OS, it may well be the last phone I buy. Samsung dropped a turd with their Fold (which likely will not be released to the public for some time now, if at all), but they still make an excellent single-screen phone. I have a hard time trusting the Chinese.
 
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