Samsung overtakes Nokia in Global Handset Sales & posts record profit

[zerocool84]

not even remotely close. the 900 blows the S2 out of the water. It might not have a faster processor, but that's about it. Subjectively speaking, using the 900 it has no problems keeping things smooth and snappy. Even the screen of the 900, at its relatively low resolution, looks better to my eyes. The S2 is not in the same league as the 900.

in terms of customization, that's a factor of the OS, not the hardware. Some prefer WP7 to android, and looking at iOS, not everyone isn't customization options

The OS is what hurts the 900 the most.

 

[MaxFusion16]

The OS is what hurts the 900 the most.

nope, wp7 is its greatest asset.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

nope, wp7 is its greatest asset.

Only to the five people who actually bought one. Everyone said the Galaxy Note would be a failure yet it out sold Nokia's entire Lumia lineup several times over despise being significantly more expensive.

 

[shortylickens]

Only to the five people who actually bought one. Everyone said the Galaxy Note would be a failure yet it out sold Nokia's entire Lumia lineup several times over despise being significantly more expensive.

http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?104620-WP7-sales-numbers-confound-again

800 thousand is more than 5.
And that was back in Jan.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?104620-WP7-sales-numbers-confound-again

800 thousand is more than 5.
And that was back in Jan.

Google sells that many Android phone in less than 48 hours and Samsung sells more Galaxy Note's in less than a month. Obviously 5 is an exaggeration but consumers clearly want iOS and Android not WP7.

 

[lupi]

all I remember about nokia was idiots walking around campus with absolute monstrosities for replacement shell cases on their phones. yes, I want my phone to light up like a disco ball when someone calls.

 

[MaxFusion16]

Google sells that many Android phone in less than 48 hours and Samsung sells more Galaxy Note's in less than a month. Obviously 5 is an exaggeration but consumers clearly want iOS and Android not WP7.

wp7 is just getting out of the gate, the lumia has only been on the market for a few month. Give it some time to gain momentum, I predict windows phone will overtake android in a few years.

how many G1s did HTC sell? it took them 6 month to reach 1 million
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10226034-94.html

so I'd say windows phone isn't doing too bad, considering the amount of competition in the market space now compared to 4 years ago.

for reference, the original iphone reached 1 million in 2 month, the 3G iphone did it in just 1 weekend.

and for what it's worth, Woz prefers windows phone over android
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/28/woz-windows-phone-is-beautiful/

 

[PeeluckyDuckee]

A lot of people are looking forward to the SG3, myself included. I do like my Galaxy Nexus but I find the screen is not bright enough for outdoor use, if the SG3 shines in that area I may very well jump ship. I hope the SG3 is pentaband.

 

[JS80]

http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?104620-WP7-sales-numbers-confound-again

800 thousand is more than 5.
And that was back in Jan.

lol might as well be 5...

 

[Medu]

wp7 is just getting out of the gate, the lumia has only been on the market for a few month. Give it some time to gain momentum, I predict windows phone will overtake android in a few years.

how many G1s did HTC sell? it took them 6 month to reach 1 million
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10226034-94.html

so I'd say windows phone isn't doing too bad, considering the amount of competition in the market space now compared to 4 years ago.

for reference, the original iphone reached 1 million in 2 month, the 3G iphone did it in just 1 weekend.

WP7 is far more polished than Android was when the G1 was released. The market for smartphones has also increased massively in that time.
It's hard to say why WP7 hasn't gained traction but it's fairly clear that nobody at Microsoft or Nokia are happy with how it is going. With the new HTC One series impressing and the next Galaxy range around the corner it's hard to see where the traction will come from. One area of weakness is that Android phones might be sizing themselves out of sizeable % of the market with nearly all the top end phones coming in at 4.3+ inch and maybe this is somewhere that Nokia can exploit although they also seem to be moving in that direction.

One thing that I felt might hold the partnership back was that both companies have an image problem. Europe likes Nokia but dislikes Microsoft while in the US it's the opposite. OTOH Google are nearly universally liked and have a range of strong hardware manufactures to pick from.

 

[lothar]

and for what it's worth, Woz prefers windows phone over android
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/28/woz-windows-phone-is-beautiful/

Woz never said such a thing.
Read your link again.

Woz: Windows Phone is 'beautiful,' Android 'no contest,' still loves iPhone, ask again tomorrow

When Steve Wozniak talks mobile, people love to listen. Last time we checked in, he was lauding some of Android's finer points, and now he's raining praise on Windows Phone. In an interview with A New Domain, the Apple co-founder was all too happy to share his recent positive experiences with the Espoo / Redmond collaboration. In particular, Woz waxes about how intuitive the interface is, and how naturally apps lead you around. He goes on to say how there's nothing he's seen that isn't more beautiful (than iOS and Android) on the Windows system, before claiming Android is "no contest" when it comes to the interface. It's not all lemonade and roses, however, as he then admits he's no fan of the voice control functionality compared to the other two platforms. When pushed to admit what he uses as default, it's still the iPhone -- two of them in fact -- but Woz's ability to see the best in all mobile operating systems will be sure to further confirm his status as one of tech's most liked. Head down to the source to hear for yourself.

 

[lothar]

Google sells that many Android phone in less than 48 hours and Samsung sells more Galaxy Note's in less than a month. Obviously 5 is an exaggeration but consumers clearly want iOS and Android not WP7.

More like 20 hours now.

 

[MaxFusion16]

Woz never said such a thing.
Read your link again.

am I missing something? your highlights basically reinforce what I said.

windows phone is more beautiful and has a superior interface to android.

??

 

[Bateluer]

wp7 is just getting out of the gate, the lumia has only been on the market for a few month. Give it some time to gain momentum, I predict windows phone will overtake android in a few years.

No . . . no, it really won't. Since its dead once WP8/Apollo arrives. And I say that metaphorically, since its pretty much dead as it is.

Nokia's credit score was downgraded to Junk status last week too, not sure if thats been posted?

 

[N4g4rok]

lol might as well be 5...

Or it might as well be... 800 thousand.

As it's been mentioned, production of WP7 in general, not just the Lumia 900, is in its early stages. The first few Android devices were treated with the exact same animosity. WP7 has a lot going for it; unique interface, hardware efficiency, great language support (in both programming and speech), and support by companies with a decent sum of money, should they choose to allocate it so.

I think it's kind of funny that there's this attitude of "well, it isn't very good right now, so why bother keep trying?" towards it. Again, looking at the first generation of Android, that's a rediculous mindset to have towards a smart phone OS.

I think WP7 could play off well as a competitively priced smart phone that does it's job incredibly well on old/inexpensive hardware, exactly where the Lumia 900 is seeing its success. Current variations of Android could not run smoothly on even the old Samsung Focus' hardware, and it would be quite a task to optimize it to do so. The fact that faster hardware was required to make Android run as well as it does not does not justify the statement that WP7 is behind, but rather, that it's more efficient.

 

[lothar]

am I missing something? your highlights basically reinforce what I said.

windows phone is more beautiful and has a superior interface to android.

??

Yes. Scratch the last part of your other statement.
He said Android is "no contest" when it comes to interface.
The word "no contest" means "clearly", "without a doubt" better than WP7(or the best of all 3 OS? Not sure if he's just comparing the interface of only WP7 and Android alone or all of them including iOS)

The only thing he mentioned was that WP7 was "beautiful"...That's about it.

The point I'm making was he never mentioned that he preferred WP7 over Android like you were claiming he did. He had good things to say about all the different mobile OS and said he uses iOS the most. I don't see anywhere where he said that he prefers WP7 over Android.

He said WP7 is beautiful and has an intuitive interface but that Android is "no contest" when it comes to interface.

Main Entry: no contest
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a lack of challenge; an obvious choice or winner in a comparison or competition
Etymology: 1876-1926

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Or it might as well be... 800 thousand.

As it's been mentioned, production of WP7 in general, not just the Lumia 900, is in its early stages. The first few Android devices were treated with the exact same animosity. WP7 has a lot going for it; unique interface, hardware efficiency, great language support (in both programming and speech), and support by companies with a decent sum of money, should they choose to allocate it so.

I think it's kind of funny that there's this attitude of "well, it isn't very good right now, so why bother keep trying?" towards it. Again, looking at the first generation of Android, that's a rediculous mindset to have towards a smart phone OS.

I think WP7 could play off well as a competitively priced smart phone that does it's job incredibly well on old/inexpensive hardware, exactly where the Lumia 900 is seeing its success. Current variations of Android could not run smoothly on even the old Samsung Focus' hardware, and it would be quite a task to optimize it to do so. The fact that faster hardware was required to make Android run as well as it does not does not justify the statement that WP7 is behind, but rather, that it's more efficient.

The Droid 1 came out almost exactly one year after the G1 and was a massive success. So far WP7 has been on the market 1.5 years and has yet to have any real successes, Microsoft's market share as continued to fall quarter after quarter. Plus since WP7 will be completely abandoned in the near future it's not like any future improvements will do current owners any good.

The way people talk about WP7 reminds me of WebOS, people always said it just needed more time and money to compete with Android and look at where it ended up.

 

[N4g4rok]

The Droid 1 came out almost exactly one year after the G1 and was a massive success.

True, but there was also a much different market back then. Really, the Droid 1 would have been competing only with the iPhone, who was the current king of the hill. The iPhone was just one phone from one manufacturer on one carrier. Now, it's a little different. There are two juggernauts at the top if the mobile industry who have customers on multiple carriers, and i feel like there's a scaling effect to the time required for different handsets to be adopted.

The way people talk about WP7 reminds me of WebOS, people always said it just needed more time and money to compete with Android and look at where it ended up.

Also true, but the corporate support behind the platforms is hugely different, and makes the rift between the two that much bigger. Each company had a different view on marketing and support. Microsoft has the ability to waste obscene amounts of money on advertising and partnerships.

That being said , why they decided to spend ANY of it on Niki Minaj is beyond reasonable explanation.

 

[MaxFusion16]

Yes. Scratch the last part of your other statement.
He said Android is "no contest" when it comes to interface.
The word "no contest" means "clearly", "without a doubt" better than WP7(or the best of all 3 OS? Not sure if he's just comparing the interface of only WP7 and Android alone or all of them including iOS)

The only thing he mentioned was that WP7 was "beautiful"...That's about it.

The point I'm making was he never mentioned that he preferred WP7 over Android like you were claiming he did. He had good things to say about all the different mobile OS and said he uses iOS the most. I don't see anywhere where he said that he prefers WP7 over Android.

He said WP7 is beautiful and has an intuitive interface but that Android is "no contest" when it comes to interface.

Main Entry: no contest
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a lack of challenge; an obvious choice or winner in a comparison or competition
Etymology: 1876-1926

uhh....I think you need to click on the source link and read, engadget kinda paraphrased the interview poorly.

http://anewdomain.net/2012/04/26/ap...-wozniak-why-i-love-my-windows-phone-7-5-fan/

This podcast is at our lunch while Steve laid his four phones down for us. Blew our minds that he chose the Nokia Lumia — a Windows 7 phone — as his favorite of the four. He said it was no contest.

just for reference, the 4 phones were 2 iphone 4s, a droid razr, and a lumia.

 

[preslove]

how many G1s did HTC sell? it took them 6 month to reach 1 million
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10226034-94.html

so I'd say windows phone isn't doing too bad, considering the amount of competition in the market space now compared to 4 years ago.

The problem is that Google introduced Android into a market where its only competitor in the next gen smartphone segment was the iPhone, which was only on one carrier. WP7/8 is trying to enter a market that has been saturated with high-, mid-, and low-end android devices, as well as 3 tiers of iPhones on 3 of the big 4 carriers.

WP7/8 are both DOA.

 

[mammador]

This is no surprise IMO:

- HTC has fallen to some extent, no follow ups to the Desire, which was a hard-arse phone.

- Motorola has fallen too, and hasn't seen much action since Google bought them.

- Apple was most likely distracted due to Jobs' death, and only has released a marginal upgrade since Jobs passed.

Samsung is getting as "sexy" as Apple now lol...

 

[Dari]

Has anyone else realized that the numbers don't add up?

 

[lothar]

uhh....I think you need to click on the source link and read, engadget kinda paraphrased the interview poorly.

http://anewdomain.net/2012/04/26/ap...-wozniak-why-i-love-my-windows-phone-7-5-fan/



just for reference, the 4 phones were 2 iphone 4s, a droid razr, and a lumia.

Wow...
Is Engadget normally really that bad at paraphrasing articles?
The info in that link is a complete U-turn from what Engadget mentioned.
I already don't waste time reading their reviews because they aren't standardized.

Also it's interesting that Steve Wozinak is using a Droid Razr for comparison and not a Galaxy Nexus.
Of course the interface won't be any better due to Motoblur.
Does a Droid Razr even have ICS yet?

 

[shortylickens]

On a number of occasions Engadget has been shown to use poor journalism skills. Not quite as bad as the Gizmodo fiasco, but not stellar either.

 

[Oyeve]

Wow...
Is Engadget normally really that bad at paraphrasing articles?
The info in that link is a complete U-turn from what Engadget mentioned.
I already don't waste time reading their reviews because they aren't standardized.

Also it's interesting that Steve Wozinak is using a Droid Razr for comparison and not a Galaxy Nexus.
Of course the interface won't be any better due to Motoblur.
Does a Droid Razr even have ICS yet?

No ICS for the razr yet.