SAMSUNG SM950 PRO NVMe SSD

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Redstorm

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You cannot be serious. RAPID mode is a cache on your RAM, when you run the benchmark, you are benching the cache on the RAM, not the SSD.

You drive is not running at 6000+ MB/s. Also RAPID only helps with programs that have high Queue Depth Usage. Regular usage, Rapid mode doesn't do anything.

The 950 Pro results, that is actually how fast the SSD is running, so it is better than the 840 EVO.

Also Redstorm, check to see if your Lenovo's M.2 slot is x2 lanes or x4, cuz you needs x4 to get the full performance of the drive.

already checked it. 4 x @ 10Mb so 4 x PCIe 3.0

http://www.geektech.co.nz/lenovo-y700-samsung-950-pro
Sequential read is 1557MB i have seen it over 1600 on the first run so repeated runs it gets slower. So im suspecting heat.
 
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Redstorm

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Sorry, i read fast and sometimes skip things to get the gist.

Did you clean install the drive or clone?

lol, read.

I know where your going with this but Clean install vs a Clone makes no difference when Crystal Disk Mark is concerned.

I cloned my desktop Windows 7 install(x99 system with 4 x pcie M.2 onboard) to a 512GB 950 pro, then upgraded it to Windows 10 and get the full performance out of the 950 with Crystal Disk Mark.
 
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larryccf

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You cannot be serious. RAPID mode is a cache on your RAM, when you run the benchmark, you are benching the cache on the RAM, not the SSD.

You drive is not running at 6000+ MB/s. Also RAPID only helps with programs that have high Queue Depth Usage. Regular usage, Rapid mode doesn't do anything.

The 950 Pro results, that is actually how fast the SSD is running, so it is better than the 840 EVO.

Also Redstorm, check to see if your Lenovo's M.2 slot is x2 lanes or x4, cuz you needs x4 to get the full performance of the drive.

1st, i'll be the first to admit i'm not that computer literate and have stated that in earlier posts. But i'm not sure what difference it makes, as long as it's the 840 doing it, even if in combo with software - all i know is i ran the 840 as my OS drive for over a day, and it really surprised me how much snappier it was in terms of response time when loading programs etc.

I knew it grabbed or blocked off some ram, iirc the original poster correctly, it blocks off up to 4 GB - considering ive got 16 GB, and have never seen my memory usage go over 8 GB, i have the 4 GB to spare. One major argument in favor of the 840 w samsung magician in Rapid Mode is the fact that to "recapture" or free up that 4 GB costs $315, which is the price i paid for the 950 - not exactly cheap for 4 GB of ram - which is the reason i stated i wondered the wisdom of purchasing the 950 - if/when samsung magician supports Rapid Mode on the 950, it will be a different analysis
 
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Hellhammer

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already checked it. 4 x @ 10Mb so 4 x PCIe 3.0

What does "4 x @ 10Mb" mean? I'm pretty sure the limiting factor is the laptop itself because the Lenovo Carbon X1 (2015) with SM951-AHCI wouldn't go over 1500MB/s either, but when I put it inside my desktop I was able to pull ~2200MB/s.

If you want to rule out any potential heat issues, change the number of runs in CDM to 1 (default is 5). That way it will read/write less and thus it should not have time to heat up as much.
 

Redstorm

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What does "4 x @ 10Mb" mean? I'm pretty sure the limiting factor is the laptop itself because the Lenovo Carbon X1 (2015) with SM951-AHCI wouldn't go over 1500MB/s either, but when I put it inside my desktop I was able to pull ~2200MB/s.

If you want to rule out any potential heat issues, change the number of runs in CDM to 1 (default is 5). That way it will read/write less and thus it should not have time to heat up as much.

The 4 @ 10Mbps is what samsung magician reports for the PCIe slot it resides in. In reality after the overhead each lane is only delivering ~8Mbps.



I'll give the 1 run a try tonight and see what speeds i get.

Re the X1 looks like PCIe is revision 2.0 so would be limited to a max of about 1800
http://ark.intel.com/products/85212/Intel-Core-i5-5200U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_70-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/85215/Intel-Core-i7-5600U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_20-GHz

The Y700 with teh i7-6700hq is PCIe 3.0
http://ark.intel.com/products/88967/Intel-Core-i7-6700HQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz

I take a look in the EFI to see if its been artificially set to 2.0 mode.
 

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Bare Feats tested the new Angelbird Wings PX1 M.2 adapter with the Samsung 950-series chips:

http://barefeats.com/hard211.html

Regarding heat:

Without a good heatsink, the 950 Pro and SM951 will overheat under extended stress causing thermal down-throttling to kick in. Our stress test was the Blackmagic Disk Speed Test cycling over and over. After 10 minutes, the SM951 on a M.2 board with NO heatsink reached as high as 180F/82C -- or way beyond Samsung's maximum recommended temperature of 158F/70C. With the Angelbird Wings PX1, even after 20 minutes of stress, the temperature never rose above 122F/50C. No other manufacturer or home-grown heatsink we've tested achieves that heat dissipation effectiveness.

Regarding performance: (note that this was tested for OS X usage)

The transfer speeds attainable by the Samsung 950 Pro and SM951 depends on bandwidth of the PCIe slot in which the Wings PX1 M.2 adapter (or any other M.2 adapter) is installed. As expected, the large sequential READ speeds were 'through the roof' when we benchmarked using the x8 PCIe 3.0 slot of the Hackintosh. The inability to attain those speeds is frustrating for Mac Pro tower owners with x4 PCIe 2.0 slots and Mac owners using Thunderbolt2-to-x4-PCIe-2.0 expanders. Thunderbolt 3 can't arrive fast enough.

Something to consider if you're concerned about heat-based throttling.
 

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I got the Anglebird PX1 yesterday, really nice piece of hardware, installed the 950 in it and with the 80mm fan my temps are really good, the max temp that I had with the Asus Hyper adapter card was 47C, so far running a bunch of benchmarks my high temps with the PX1 is 35C, nice drop in temps....



 
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Brian Stirling

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Looking to build a new PC in a couple weeks and I'm planning to use a 950 Pro installed on a Asus X99-Pro/USB 3.1 motherboard and would like to know if there's a concise how-to for installing Win10 on it and to make sure UEFI is available.

Also, is there any good reason to go with Win10 Pro versus Win10 Home.


Brian
 

Deders

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Looking to build a new PC in a couple weeks and I'm planning to use a 950 Pro installed on a Asus X99-Pro/USB 3.1 motherboard and would like to know if there's a concise how-to for installing Win10 on it and to make sure UEFI is available.

Brian

Asus advised me to set CSM to Auto and let the mobo figure out what to do. This resolved an issue I had with my GPU not working if I did a UEFI boot.
 

Brian Stirling

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I'm about to order parts for my video editing rig tomorrow and will be getting the 950 Pro for OS and programs, but it would be really nice if there was a 1TB version for working storage. I have a v3x4 M.2 slot on the motherboard where I'll be installing the 950 and the MB also comes with a PCIe expansion board for a second v3x4 M.2 card so I could add a second 950 for working storage but 512GB is a little light for that task. I do hope they come out with a 1TB soon.


Brian
 

Coup27

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What's odd is that most other sources see to say to disable CSM.
The optimal UEFI settings for a modern platform would be:

CSM disabled
Secure boot enabled UEFI mode
Launch the Windows installer in UEFI mode

The Windows installer may automatically launch in UEFI mode when these settings are entered but I have always used the boot override option within UEFI to launch the installer with UEFI mode.

This combination of settings will only work however if all your hardware (like dGPU) are fully UEFI enabled. This is probably the issue Deders was experiencing. Modern dGPU's will be fully UEFI enabled like my GTX 960. If you have hardware that isn't that's when you will need to change the CSM setting. Having CSM enabled does increase POST/boot time. Manufactures may say to leave CSM in auto/enabled because it provides greater compatibility for users who don't fully understand the settings.

A useful article:

http://rog.asus.com/220572013/rampa...fi-boot-installation-guide-on-windows-7-or-8/
 
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Deders

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My 780 has a UEFI bios, Is there a difference between this and fully enabled?
 

Coup27

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My 780 has a UEFI bios, Is there a difference between this and fully enabled?
I just did some reading on that card and some people can get it to work with secure boot and CSM disabled and some people can't. Seems to vary depending on the manufacturer of the card. In one thread I read EVGA advised a user to "just run legacy mode". aka have CSM enabled. You're probably best doing some digging on your actual card or maybe email the manufacturer to ask if it supports secure boot. But if you have already tried it and it didn't work then it probably doesn't. Just make sure your mobo UEFI is up to date and if there has been an updated UEFI for the dGPU card.
 

Deders

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I just did some reading on that card and some people can get it to work with secure boot and CSM disabled and some people can't. Seems to vary depending on the manufacturer of the card. In one thread I read EVGA advised a user to "just run legacy mode". aka have CSM enabled. You're probably best doing some digging on your actual card or maybe email the manufacturer to ask if it supports secure boot. But if you have already tried it and it didn't work then it probably doesn't. Just make sure your mobo UEFI is up to date and if there has been an updated UEFI for the dGPU card.

I did email Asus aout it, that's when they suggested leaving it at auto and now with after a fresh install, my boot time is a few seconds instead of into minutes.
 

Nephi

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Hi Guys.

I would be VERY grateful is someone could help me with my situation.

My system:

Windows 10 64 Bit
MSI Gaming M9 ACK
Intel 6700K
Samsung 950 PRO M.2 512 MB (X 2 in RAID O)
GTX 980Ti
Corsair 600q
Micron 2666Mhz RAM 32 GB

As listed above I have two Samsung 950 PROs running in RAID 0 on Windows 10. Everything is up and running fine other than the following two issues:

1. When I try to install the official Samsung NVE driver I get the following error "Samsung NVE Express Device is not connected. Connect the device and try again."
2. The second issue is I can not get the Samsung Magician software (latest version) to work. The software lists my drive as "Samsung Pro RAID" however all of the options are greyed out. I can't over provision the drive, use Secure Erase, or RAPID mode.

Apparently the latest Magician software doe work the 950 PRO so I can only assume the software does not work in RAID mode? I'm no techie so I'm lost as to what to try or do.

I would be grateful to anyone that could help me get this working! I need to get this up and working for my business so I'm somewhat desperate to get this working.

Thanks in advance!

-Brian
 
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