SAMSUNG SM950 PRO NVMe SSD

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Anubis

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from the translated Russian review. its a fing beast, faster across the board then the 951, only beaten but the dumbly expensive intel 1.2 TB monster
 

larryccf

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NDA delays are way more common than you think, but they are usually not discussed in public. I guess I should've just stayed quiet and lead you to believe that the initial info was incorrect because now you are reading too much into it.

Hellhammer - regardless of what you released this was a confusing presentation / release to the market. If you're saying this is common, i've got to wonder does anyone at samsung learn from their mistakes, or even recognize how unorganized this release and others were, and how they appear to the consumer?
 

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You have to hammer it with continuous write to get to that 87C temperature. Reads(most common operation on client scenario) do not seem to affect the temperature.

Some airflow would be still recommended, but that is small "price" to pay for that performance.
 

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Hellhammer - regardless of what you released this was a confusing presentation / release to the market. If you're saying this is common, i've got to wonder does anyone at samsung learn from their mistakes, or even recognize how unorganized this release and others were, and how they appear to the consumer?

Common as in the whole SSD/electronics industry. I can't even remember how many times an NDA was pushed during my time at AnandTech.

As for this being confusing to consumers, the official press release only mentions "available in October 2015" and this is also the information that all media outlets published. It all started when Chris Ramseyer disclosed the initial embargo date, which was technically a breach of NDA in the first place i.e. he shouldn't have done it. Without his comment and my updates, you would all be patiently waiting knowing that October still has plenty of days left.

EDIT: For what it's worth, the wait for reviews is now over.
 
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You have to hammer it with continuous write to get to that 87C temperature. Reads(most common operation on client scenario) do not seem to affect the temperature.

Some airflow would be still recommended, but that is small "price" to pay for that performance.

It said the temps aren't much better than the 951, i was just hoping they would be better and I think everyone else did too....but your right most people should have enough air flow in there cases, laptops will be another story!
 

larryccf

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Common as in the whole SSD/electronics industry. I can't even remember how many times an NDA was pushed during my time at AnandTech.

As for this being confusing to consumers, the official press release only mentions "available in October 2015" and this is also the information that all media outlets published. It all started when Chris Ramseyer disclosed the initial embargo date, which was technically a breach of NDA in the first place i.e. he shouldn't have done it. Without his comment and my updates, you would all be patiently waiting knowing that October still has plenty of days left.

EDIT: For what it's worth, the wait for reviews is now over.


while i concede the breach in the NDA started the confusion, vendors rescheduling their release dats, and some vendors like amazon, even though they were only collecting "pre-orders", pulling their listing altogether added some foundation to the confusion. (Edit - amazon has relisted the 950 PRO, indicating a release date of Oct 29th ) Plus, while I'm too lazy to go back and read thru all the posts on this forum or others, i do recall release dates of Oct 15th for W Europe, Oct 27th for australia/new zealand and early november for north america.

As established and experienced a company as samsung is, this wasn't their first rodeo, so to speak - this release was poorly managed, and until that's recognized it's going to happen again.

I'm in metal - some years back we brought in a brilliant casting engineer for a new product. He designed the tooling to incorporate more detail than a few well respected casting houses thought could be captured in the casting. We found a casting house willing to attempt it, and our engineer was proven correct. But the tooling has been "resized" or adjusted a number of times (in casting, the finished dimensions can be predicted to within 3% +/- but never totally 100%, so samples are cast and checked and the tooling adjusted. ie hogged out if the object is too small in whatever dimension, or welded to build up, and then re-machined to bring a dimension down. Each time tooling is adjusted, it is first normalized to reduce the hardness, then after machining, it is re-heat treated. When we had tooling dialed in, we cast 100 units on a sampling basis - at the same time, marketing had started the media campaign, working up the demand for the new product. Just as we were about to start production, one of the pcs of the cavity mold fractured (having been normalized, welded to build up, re-machined and then new heat treat, had left the mold pcs too brittle. So market release was delayed 14 weeks or 3.5 months.

Meantime the market developed the same confusion I see here - and vendors dropped or reduced their initial order quantities out of concern. It was six to eight months after our actual release date that sales actually took off.

The lesson i learned from that episode was not to rush marketing so early relative to production - for all the benefits, it's explosive and easily counter-productive. Now our marketing doesn't release a whisper until after pre-production evaluation/testing has proven successful, and even then no release date even intimated until we're in full production.

But that's just the business model of a small mfgr. I would think on the scale that samsung operates on, that same model would be even more applicable, but i could be wrong.
 
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larryccf

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You won't unless you like running synthetic benchmarks all-day.

rendering video files using Handshake, my cpu usage shows constant at 99-100% - i measured temp on the controller of my xp941 at 97-99C when rendering and it wasn't spike temps - they floated down no lower than 96C but generally floated in the 97-99C range. Measurements were taken using a non-contact thermometer (laser)

i've since installed a small 40mm x 25mm fan directly overtop of the xp941 and max temps, rendering video files, i saw afterwards was 77-78C.

Most of my video files take 35 - 45 minutes to render, so un-ventilated, those 97-99C temps would be sustained for a fairly long period of time.

Running synthetic benchmarks, one reviewer recorded 114C - he was using a thermal camera, and i have no idea how accurate or if it was certified, but it does appear synthetic benchmarks do take temps higher

PS - i just added this note to my earlier post, but in case here it is again - amazon has relisted the 950 PRO, indicating a release date of OCT 29th
 
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As you can see, you would have to write nearly 150GB at over 1.5GB/sec to get a 950 PRO to warm up enough to throttle, and when it does, the throttling is very minor, dropping to only 1.2GB/sec intermittently. The slightest airflow prevents this from happening at all, and even if there was zero airflow, the chances of maxing a 950 PRO out on writes for that long of a burst is extremely unlikely in even the most demanding consumer usage scenario.

that looks like its not really going to be an issue for 99.9% of the people who are going to get this
 

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that looks like its not really going to be an issue for 99.9% of the people who are going to get this

Yes I'd feel comfortable as an average user, as someone who does a lot of large file sequential writing I'd feel less so. I just don't like the feeling of anything in my system being so easy to hit its thermal limits. Heat is the enemy of reliability in electronics. It's why I didn't choose the fastest video card, but rather the quietest and coolest one.

Edit: And why I think Intel isn't offering a drive like this, but has an m.2 compatible 2.5.
 
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venkman

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From the reviews it sounds like a benchmark killer that doesn't do that much in the real world unless you are transferring files all day or doing video work. I feel like as a gamer and an excel nerd, it wouldn't really do me any good to upgrade from my 2.5" SATA. Someone convince me I am wrong, i want to spend the money.
 

Deders

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I think it depends on the methods of testing. I've never felt PCmark 7 as a very good test for real world performance.

Different reviewers are getting different issues and showing different weaknesses. This may have something to do with implementations or firmware across different generations of boards with early NVMe drivers, it might be what Samsung are trying to iron out.

I'm very curious as to the performance differences shown in the Anandtech review between the SM951 and the 950. The Vnand should make it faster but for some reason some of the tests are significantly slower.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Would this be at all useful over an 850 EVO for gaming? I'm guessing I'm not going to load 5x faster into levels with the 950 Pro than I would an 850 EVO.
 

Deders

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Would this be at all useful over an 850 EVO for gaming? I'm guessing I'm not going to load 5x faster into levels with the 950 Pro than I would an 850 EVO.

Most likely not 5 faster loading games like you say, you could say the river bed is 5 times wider but there might to be enough water flow to make use of it.

The biggest increase is likely to be with small read and writes like 4k due to the low latency NVMe interface. These kinds of read and writes are what slows windows down so much on normal hard drives. You might get 0.2-MB/s on a HDD, most modern SSD's can muster about 30MB/s, and NVMe SSD's can do 50MB/s+ so you might expect a reasonable decrease in some game loading times if the process contains a lot of small reads. Games like Dragon age: Inquisition come to mind as it already have a huge boost for me just by putting it onto an SSD.

It's also new technology so drivers are stlll beta.

TLDR, you might save a few seconds here and there.
 

bradly1101

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Maybe we'll see a consumer version of this, just like Intel did with the 3700/750:

http://www.pcper.com/news/Storage/S...mo?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

The PM1725 has a PCI Express 3.0 x8 interface, and a 2.5" version will also be available (though limited to PCI Express 3.0 x4). And with read speeds in excess of 6.2 GB/s the PM1725 sounds like a RAM disk. And if that wasn't enough the drive managed a million IOPS from a demo performance for this new SSD at Dell World in Austin, Texas.
 

shabby

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Is it possible to get the 950 drive booting on an older mobo with an m2 pcie card?
 
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