SAMSUNG SM950 PRO NVMe SSD

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Deders

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Doesn't look like load times are different between an EVO and the 950Pro

http://techreport.com/review/29221/samsung-950-pro-512gb-ssd-reviewed/4

The problem I find with most of these games is just like many review sites that try to differentiate 2GB video cards with the equivalent 4GB versions is that they rarely use games that can actually make good usage of more than 2GB.

These games are fairly lightweight loading wise, I do monitor drive speeds regularly with Gkrell.

While there is merit in blind testing popular games, it would take more than 5 or 6 games to represent the thousands of games that are out there..

I do expect the majority of games to be just as quick with Sata3 as with NVMe but I don't see any review sites going out of their way to find games that might show a difference.
 

larryccf

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in case anyone's interested, someone over on Tom's posted a promo code fm newegg good on the 950 PRO that = a $35 discount off samsung $349 price on the 512 GB variant -

i suspect it will also give a 10% on the 256 GB variant, just haven't tried it

Promo code AFSAMSSD1023B
 

fvbounty

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in case anyone's interested, someone over on Tom's posted a promo code fm newegg good on the 950 PRO that = a $35 discount off samsung $349 price on the 512 GB variant -

i suspect it will also give a 10% on the 256 GB variant, just haven't tried it

Promo code AFSAMSSD1023B

I just tried that code and it is good...its in my shopping cart, but I don't want to wait until Dec 1st to get it?
 

larryccf

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that 12/1 release date was posted before amazon relisted the 950 PRO and indicating a Oct 29th release

I suspect (key word suspect) that newegg, because of the confusion, simply put that date to give themselves some breathing room. I can't imagine they'll be getting their inventory any later than other vendors

fwiw
 

venkman

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The problem I find with most of these games is just like many review sites that try to differentiate 2GB video cards with the equivalent 4GB versions is that they rarely use games that can actually make good usage of more than 2GB.

These games are fairly lightweight loading wise, I do monitor drive speeds regularly with Gkrell.

While there is merit in blind testing popular games, it would take more than 5 or 6 games to represent the thousands of games that are out there..

I do expect the majority of games to be just as quick with Sata3 as with NVMe but I don't see any review sites going out of their way to find games that might show a difference.

Problem is that if you have to look for that one particular game out of the dozens you play with that one specific configuration, then how often does a customer hit that scenario in the real world? Seems like if it made an appreciable difference, we should see it just about every game.

2gb and 4gb video cards do show a difference, when you crank up the resolution/go multi monitor, in just about every game.
 
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Deders

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Problem is that if you have to look for that one particular game out of the dozens you play with that one specific configuration, then how often does a customer hit that scenario in the real world? Seems like if it made an appreciable difference, we should see it just about every game.

2gb and 4gb video cards do show a difference, when you crank up the resolution/go multi monitor, in just about every game.

The 2-4GB divide tends to be with midrange cards like the 960 or 280 that aren't really suitable for modern games at very high resolution and most reviews I've seen don't test multi monitor setups.

What I tend to see is review sites that have already chosen their set of benchmark games so they can compare results between many cards without having to retest them. They may be a good choice of well known games but they aren't always suitable for tests like these.

Take this for example.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-2gb-vs-4gb-review

I have Rivatuner Statistics server running a few graphs on my keyboards screen, one of which is Vram usage and I can say from experience that even on Ultrawide 2560x1080 neither Tomb Raider (even with SSAA, let alone FXAA) or the Witcher 3 will ever go above 2GB Vram usage.

Battlefield 4 is known to cache data in Vram that can use above 2GB but thorough testing has shown it makes no difference in performance from a 2GB setup, It just saves reloading the textures.

Crysis 3 and Ryse are both happy with 2GB. Shadow of Mordor is tested with medium textures for both cards which it states in game only uses 2GB.

I haven't played Far cry 4 yet but Assassins creed is known to be a Vram hog and is the only game in the whole test that shows any difference.

My feeling is that a lot of the games I see being tested are chosen in the same vein and so they can be compared cross generations.
 

venkman

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The 2-4GB divide tends to be with midrange cards like the 960 or 280 that aren't really suitable for modern games at very high resolution and most reviews I've seen don't test multi monitor setups.

What I tend to see is review sites that have already chosen their set of benchmark games so they can compare results between many cards without having to retest them. They may be a good choice of well known games but they aren't always suitable for tests like these.

Take this for example.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-2gb-vs-4gb-review

I have Rivatuner Statistics server running a few graphs on my keyboards screen, one of which is Vram usage and I can say from experience that even on Ultrawide 2560x1080 neither Tomb Raider (even with SSAA, let alone FXAA) or the Witcher 3 will ever go above 2GB Vram usage.

Battlefield 4 is known to cache data in Vram that can use above 2GB but thorough testing has shown it makes no difference in performance from a 2GB setup, It just saves reloading the textures.

Crysis 3 and Ryse are both happy with 2GB. Shadow of Mordor is tested with medium textures for both cards which it states in game only uses 2GB.

I haven't played Far cry 4 yet but Assassins creed is known to be a Vram hog and is the only game in the whole test that shows any difference.

My feeling is that a lot of the games I see being tested are chosen in the same vein and so they can be compared cross generations.

Maybe I was thinking 1 vs 2 GB instead of 2 vs 4. I'm not up to date on modern video card benchmarks (I still run my SLI 670s with no plans to upgrade anytime soon), but I remember there being a bigger difference back in the day. I would ask, what game or game config would you want to be tested for the 950 Pro specifically? Where do you think it would show a performance jump over the 850 Evo? They do seem to run the mainstream games that people are actually playing and the demanding ones as well.

I think the reason load times are not appreciably faster is because the hard drive isn't the bottleneck with either the 850 or the 950, the bottleneck is, infact, game design. These games are designed to be run off an ultra slow platter drive so the developers focus a lot of their attention on using less sustained disk access, etc, through things such as incremental/hidden loading, etc. As long as Devs are developing for the ancient technology, which they will for a while since both XBOX and PS4 have platter drives, I don't think a high performance SSD will make much difference in gaming.
 
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Deders

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I would like to see how Dragon Age: Inquisition, Total War games and GTAV are affected in particular. Can't think of any more off the top of my head right now.

I do agree the majority of current games won't be affected, but I expect in the future as they become more demanding we will notice more of a difference even if it's only a few seconds here and there.

I also want to see what happens when firmware and drivers are matured, the disparity between these and the SM951 seem to indicate there are currently issues.
 

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I would like to see how Dragon Age: Inquisition, Total War games and GTAV are affected in particular. Can't think of any more off the top of my head right now.

I do agree the majority of current games won't be affected, but I expect in the future as they become more demanding we will notice more of a difference even if it's only a few seconds here and there.

I also want to see what happens when firmware and drivers are matured, the disparity between these and the SM951 seem to indicate there are currently issues.



I don't think games are going to get any demanding even in the future or at least during this console generation. PC versions are only used to show off during e3 and other such events. By the time the game is launched its seriously watered down. This is the trend now and a lucrative one for publishers. VR might 'demand' a little more because it needs high fps to enjoy it.
 

Deders

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I don't think games are going to get any demanding even in the future or at least during this console generation. PC versions are only used to show off during e3 and other such events. By the time the game is launched its seriously watered down. This is the trend now and a lucrative one for publishers. VR might 'demand' a little more because it needs high fps to enjoy it.

That's a bit like saying we'll never need more than 1 megabyte ram. How long after this was said did it prove to be untrue?

Closer to home though, a lot of recent Skylake reviews showed very little difference in games compared to Haswell. The few sites that tested GTAV with a graphics card that wasn't a bottleneck showed that actually there were significant gains to be had. I seem to remember 25% in at least one case.
 

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So guys help me out, I'm going to be buying an Intel i7 NUC (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...rue&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER) in a few days and it will be used as a general purpose computer, web surfing/office productivity software and so on. No 3D rendering/gaming or anything super heavy.

I'm currently planning on getting a Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB M.2 SSD for $105 (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-850-E...xgy_147_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=0AAMHCD0V7Z463A8EZFQ).

In real world use, do you guys think there would be a noticeable difference in performance if I went with a Samsung 950 PRO over a Samsung 850 EVO? I'm guessing probably not since the computer won't be used for any storage demanding tasks, are there any benefits you guys can think of by going with the 950 Pro over a 850 EVO based on what this computer is going to be used for?
 

Deders

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Probably not, we've yet to see if the reduced latency with NVMe will result in a more responsive snappier system but I expect for those purposes you'll be very happy with the 850.
 

gigahertz20

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Probably not, we've yet to see if the reduced latency with NVMe will result in a more responsive snappier system but I expect for those purposes you'll be very happy with the 850.

850 EVO it is, thanks for the response!
 

larryccf

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on the subject of the 950 PRO and thermal limiting, JohnnyLucky posted a link to a german review on the 950's heat and thermal limiting. Not sure i totally understand the google translation, so below is the link to the german version as well.

But apparently, thermal throttling doesn't kick in until 120GB of data has been written, which would seem to be a lot

google english translation https://translate.google.com/transl...-ssd-950-pro-temperatur-leistung/&prev=search

original german review http://www.computerbase.de/2015-10/samsung-ssd-950-pro-temperatur-leistung/
 

Redstorm

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I'm not a all concerned with the thermal limit on the 950 Pro, I would be lucky if i ever write more that 20 - 30G in one go.

Mine will be going straight into the Ultra M.2 on an ASRock X99 OC Formula which sits down between PCIe Slots 4 and 5, a Gigabyte 980Ti G1 Sits in Slot 1 but the fans only spin after 60C. The case is a Air540 with 2 x 140mm front fans, a 140mm rear and a X61 with 2 x 140mm fans top. Even without the GFX fans spinning their is plenty of cross flow. I doubt it would even be an issue. These 950's and SM951's are being installed in laptops where you have next to zero airflow around the device.

95% of us will not have a workload to push the drive into the throttling zone, If you run benchmarks all day then that's your choice.

 

larryccf

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naw,i don't run benchmarks all day but when i'm rendering video files, they generally run 30-35 minutes, and i do 3-4 in an evening - like i stated earlier with the xp941 (no thermal limiting) i saw temps of 97-99C before i installed that fan

for those that are going to use an expansion card to mount their 950 PRO, i'd recommend the Asus Hyper M.2 card - i just got mine and like it only for the reason that the xp941 is sitting elevated off the expansion card 1/4 to 5/16" inch - definitely allows for easier or more airflow behind the SSD
 
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Redstorm

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Samsung Magician 4.8 out, now just waiting for them to release the Samsung NVMe driver they have been working on. No links on the Download page yet.
 
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