I suspect he is correct in this regard.
Other than that, I nominate the rest of your post for verbal beat-down of the month, August 2015. Nicely stated.
You go around thinking every cop is a potential psychopath.
I suspect he is correct in this regard.
Other than that, I nominate the rest of your post for verbal beat-down of the month, August 2015. Nicely stated.
Sorry 'bout that.Well that would make 2 of us who misunderstood, then. Dang, and I said you seem like a violent asshole because I misunderstood you. I apologize more. Anyhow the analogy is misleading and inaccurate...now see what you've done?!?
Hey, at least I have gotten you and BoberFett to agree on something. Can't remember the last time something that constructive happened in an ATP&N thread.No! This is a ridiculous argument. You have a persecutory personality, a blame the victim condition because you have Stockholm Authoritarianism. You have built your self image on the notion that you are a good person because you obey, but Bober sees who you are when he called you servile.
On the one hand we can see this in your callous lack of insight into your inner condition, the absurd notion that because you have lived over 50 years you know what this woman has experienced, that you are superior to her when in fact you haven't the slightest idea what her life dealt her, what indignities she may have suffered, how close she might have been to the end of her rope. And why are you like this, because you hate yourself and need something to hang on to, to make you feel superior is some stupid way. You live in a fantasy world where you imagine you have walked in somebody else's shoes.
Additionally we can see you tell yourself an imaginary story to justify your position, that the woman was an asshole for not obeying the cop by not putting her cigarette out. She had every right to tell the cop to say no. She wasn't an asshole, she was justified to do what she did. There was no reason whatsoever for her to anticipate the cop would loose his mind. People have every right to expect they will be treated legally and justly, especially by the police. You go around thinking every cop is a potential psychopath. And she has the bad attitude. Jesus.
Might want to do a bit of reading there chief. We told the king to go fuck himself, but not for asking us if we would mind extinguishing our cigarettes.I do not mean that if there is one cop psychopath in 1000 cops, that means there any cop might be that psychopath, I mean looking at every cop as if he is going to go psychopath on you if you assert your rights. It is axiomatic, I would think, to expect the law to exist to enforce your rights. The whole meaning of being an American and having freedom is that you don't have to live in fear and take shit off of other people. A real American is somebody who strands up for his rights, no? We told the king to go fuck himself.
"After reviewing all the evidence in the death of Sandra Bland, a Waller grand jury did not return an indictment in the death of Bland, nor were any indictments returned against any employee of the Waller County Jail," said Darrell Jordan, a special prosecutor handling the case.
"We are not going to allow what they have done in a limited, secret capacity to prevent us from doing what we need to do to get answers for the family," Bland family attorney Cannon Lambert told CNN affiliate KPRC.
Sounds like lawyer speak for trying to sue for money;
Taylor v. Barkes: Summary reversal is part of a qualified immunity trend
This is not going to be successful, per a SCOTUS ruling all employees at the Waller County jail have qualified immunity.
http://www.scotusblog.com/2015/06/t...versal-is-part-of-a-qualified-immunity-trend/
I could be wrong, just seemed like what they were trying to say.
One thing that is troubling is that Bernie Sanders claimed that if she was white she wouldn't have died in police custody. Um, she killed herself? That has nothing to do with black or white, just her state of mind.
No reason to.
Explain what is wrong with what I said? It was ruled as a suicide, with zero evidence of foul play. Bland posted that she was suffering from depression and PTSD. What does her being black have to with anything about her committing suicide? Sanders stated that if she was white, she would be alive. But because she was black she died in "police custody". White women have committed suicide while behind bars too, it is not unique to black women. My position is that her mental health had nothing to do with her being black or white, she was depressed and committed suicide. While very tragic, not because she was black. Making her suicide about race is misleading.
My sig is accurate, his post towards me is ignorant.
Your sig would better reflect your own posts... was my joke.
As for her dying because she was black, you're only examining one aspect of what is a larger context. How do people kill themselves in jail? Isn't that routinely preventable by the authorities of the location? If her mental state was known, why wasn't she being monitored?
So yeah, there are things wrong with what you said. Mostly that you're aperture needs to open a bit wider.
So you're saying I'm ignorant of black culture?
She took a trash bag from the can, according to the article. While attempts are made to keep people from committing suicide while in jail if someone is determined they often times find a way. I only know the extent they can go because my wife watches Lockup on the reg.
She made the video post on Facebook, it was only known after the fact. How are they supposed to know about that? Are they supposed to research every prisoner's online profiles to see what their mental status is?
So how is what I said wrong again, how am I not looking at it wide enough? Her suicide is terrible, but the family seeking "justice" against the jailers seems naive to me. The video shows Bland making multiple phone calls, and acting normally. There is no evidence whatsoever of anyone else contributing to her death. The fact that Sanders is trying to use this politically to help get elected is sickening. Using the suicide of someone like this is pathetic to me.
I could be wrong, just seemed like what they were trying to say.
One thing that is troubling is that Bernie Sanders claimed that if she was white she wouldn't have died in police custody. Um, she killed herself? That has nothing to do with black or white, just her state of mind.
Jesus, man. I was joking that all your posts are "Ignorance at its best". Note that I fix your typo there.
Can you back up your statement that people will find a way? I'm pretty sure that's just something in your head and not backed up by reality. Most depressed people do what's easiest, not anything that requires extra effort. That's why suicides with guns are frequent, because they are easy.
As for knowing her state of mind... I thought it came up as she was arrested, not only after the fact. If I am mistaken, then forget it. But I thought they were aware of her depression and did not monitor her.
It's only sickening if you think his motives are not to keep people alive when they are in state custody, but just to score political points. I get that you're cynical about him and probably most politicians, so that's fine, but you don't think it is possible he just wants to see black people treated equally?
Do you really need me to find cases of people committing suicide while incarcerated? This isn't just common knowledge to you?
It is sickening, if he wasn't running do you think he'd really comment so fast on it? Using someone's sad suicide to appeal to voters is wrong, in my opinion. Him, like you, are making this about race. She was in jail and committed suicide. There is no evidence of foul play. His remarks were about it are so slanted, that if she'd been white then she wouldn't have died in police custody. That's extremely bias, and wrong. Her being black has nothing to do with her committing suicide. One could argue her being black had something to do with her getting arrested, and being in jail, but that is not what he said. He said she wouldn't be dead in police custody if she was white.
It's also sad now that the family appears to care so much, but let her sit in jail for 3 days. Bland made many calls, I'm sure some were to her family.
I see. I keep making this mistake. I try to engage in a discussion and this is P&N.
You talk about his sickening bias, but you seem oblivious to your own biases. And then you attribute things to me when I'm just trying to offer counter-points and put up something to test your arguments against. You're not interested though. You've made up your mind about all of it.
Carry on.
I asked you a question. I did not insult you, or call you any names. Which you will find is rare around here.
People who are incarcerated and really want to commit suicide, do find a way. I don't understand why you have a problem with this statement. But I took the liberty of google searching suicides in incarceration for you; http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mljsp0013st.pdf
I only clicked the one link, feel free to look elsewhere. So yes what I said was true, it happens. When people want to, they will find a way. You accused me of it just being in my head that suicides happen in prison, and only happens with guns because that is easier. While it is, guns aren't allowed in prison for prisoners. so they find other ways. As I said, I thought it was common knowledge that people commit suicide while behind bars, but you didn't think so. Suicide is the leading cause of death since 2000 behind bars.
You can claim I am bias, except it is you who keeps bringing race into her suicide. My only argument with this is on what he said. Claiming that she would not have died if she was white. Since she killed herself, and has expressed depression and PTSD in the past. It sure seems that mental health and not being black was the reason for suicide. Blaming the suicide on race, then grandstanding on it as Sanders did is pathetic.
You didn't offer any counter-points. But since you didn't believe that suicides happen other than guns, I showed you that they happen behind bars. Her death is very tragic, black, white or any other color. Suicide is very sad, I've seen it first hand. In any event, I won't be replying back, off until Monday. Merry Christmas.
HEMPSTEAD, Tex. — The state trooper who arrested Sandra Bland, the Chicago-area woman who three days later was found hanged in her cell at the Waller County jail, has been indicted on a perjury charge, a special prosecutor said here Wednesday.
The charge against the Texas state trooper, Brian T. Encinia, is a Class A misdemeanor, and was announced at the end of a day of grand jury deliberations. The charge carries a possible penalty of one year in jail and a $4,000 fine, prosecutors said.
The charge stemmed from a one-page affidavit that Trooper Encinia filed with jail officials justifying the arrest of Ms. Bland, who was pulled over in a routine traffic stop in Prairie View, northwest of Houston, for failing to use her turn signal. Ms. Bland, 28, who was black, was returning to Texas in July to take a job at her alma mater, Prairie View A&M.
The trooper wrote that he removed Ms. Bland from her car in order to conduct a safe traffic investigation, but “the grand jury found that statement to be false,” a special prosecutor, Shawn McDonald, said.
The director of the Department of Public Safety, Steven McCraw, under sharp questioning at a legislative inquiry in July, said that Trooper Encinia violated department policy, behaved rudely and failed to de-escalate a confrontational situation.
So you're saying I'm ignorant of black culture?.