Sandra Bland Dashboard Video Released

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I see two lessons here, and many people seem unable to learn them. First and most important, DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE!

Most people, probably 99% of people, actually are smart enough to know these lessons.
It's the handful of crawlspace trolls in this thread who pretend not to get it.

There are hundreds of videos on youtube of people trolling cops and getting away with it.
It happens constantly. You've just got to be smart enough to know where the line is, and if you do happen to cross that line, you've got to be emotionally stable enough not to kill yourself if you get yourself arrested due to your own assholery. Sandra Bland was neither smart enough, nor emotionally stable enough to perform either of these relatively simple tasks. She certainly should have just STFU, gotten her verbal warning, and proceeded on with her day. If her experience can save the life of just one future pea brain, then I guess she will have not died in vain.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Most people, probably 99% of people, actually are smart enough to know these lessons.
It's the handful of crawlspace trolls in this thread who pretend not to get it.

There are hundreds of videos on youtube of people trolling cops and getting away with it.
It happens constantly. You've just got to be smart enough to know where the line is, and if you do happen to cross that line, you've got to be emotionally stable enough not to kill yourself if you get yourself arrested due to your own assholery. Sandra Bland was neither smart enough, nor emotionally stable enough to perform either of these relatively simple tasks. She certainly should have just STFU, gotten her verbal warning, and proceeded on with her day. If her experience can save the life of just one future pea brain, then I guess she will have not died in vain.

Trollin' on the interwebs getting your kicks trashing dead people. What a great life!!

 

[nickqt]

Most people, probably 99% of people, actually are smart enough to know these lessons.
It's the handful of crawlspace trolls in this thread who pretend not to get it.

There are hundreds of videos on youtube of people trolling cops and getting away with it.
It happens constantly. You've just got to be smart enough to know where the line is, and if you do happen to cross that line, you've got to be emotionally stable enough not to kill yourself if you get yourself arrested due to your own assholery. Sandra Bland was neither smart enough, nor emotionally stable enough to perform either of these relatively simple tasks. She certainly should have just STFU, gotten her verbal warning, and proceeded on with her day. If her experience can save the life of just one future pea brain, then I guess she will have not died in vain.

If Sandra Bland wasn't so stupid as to want to continue smoking her cigarette legally, she never would have upset the cop, and would most likely be alive right now.

She's do dumb, upsetting a cop. What an idiot.

Remember, America. When a cop is upset and acting like an asshole, you may be maced, tasered, shot, or end up in jail.

So just take it. Take it real good. Take it so good. Savor it. Every bit of it.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

If Sandra Bland wasn't so stupid as to want to continue smoking her cigarette legally, she never would have upset the cop, and would most likely be alive right now.

She's do dumb, upsetting a cop. What an idiot.

Remember, America. When a cop is upset and acting like an asshole, you may be maced, tasered, shot, or end up in jail.

So just take it. Take it real good. Take it so good. Savor it. Every bit of it.

Key takeaway: it's OK for cops to be assholes. Non-cops being assholes deserve what they get. Cops being assholes is chill shit bruh.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I've only been sort of following this story, and to me it's abundantly clear that this cop escalated an already volatile situation, pretty much the antithesis of his job description, and her death in her cell by hanging is dubious at best.
No, I do not trust the police anymore. Their aggression towards citizens, specifically black citizens has been nothing short of militaristic.
Are all cops bad? No, obviously not. But to deny the frequency of these incidents is to be willfully blind to a growing trend of unequal treatment by LEO's.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Here's a link to the autopsy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/us/sandra-blands-autopsy-details-how-she-died.html

Here's the NY Time take on the legality of the troopers actions

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/20/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-videos-maps.html

Other than a potential lawsuit from the family this case is effectively closed. Very little if any reporting on it now. Trump and the latest theater shooting are the media's main stories.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Here's a link to the autopsy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/us/sandra-blands-autopsy-details-how-she-died.html

Here's the NY Time take on the legality of the troopers actions

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/20/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-videos-maps.html

Other than a potential lawsuit from the family this case is effectively closed. Very little if any reporting on it now. Trump and the latest theater shooting are the media's main stories.

Yea, we truly are an ADD nation. Thanks for the links, I'll check them out.

 

[davmat787]

Does the nearly hour long video from the officers dashcam include footage of her supposed infraction, the reason she was pulled over?

She was saying that the officer was tailgating her, so she moved to the right lane, albeit without using a turn signal. If all that is true, and you couple that with the officer asking her what she is upset for, demanding she put her smoke out, and further escalating the situation by demanding she get out with threats of violence including lighting her up.... It seems apparent that this officer was doing anything but deescalating the situation and even purposely agitating her.

Above all it seems a significant amount of officers put absolute obedience when interacting with the public above all else and their sworn duties.

People say she could have handled it better via absolute obedience but the officer is supposed to be the professional here. If his ego would have allowed even a bit of humility and humanity she would still be alive.

There was no reason to demand she exit the vehicle and his waffling on supposed charges is very telling as well.

 

[emperus]

Saw this video today. Immediately noticed the difference in interaction in the the two cases. This video is what I expect Peace Officers to do. Not what we witnessed in the Bland case. And those defending that officer should be ashamed of yourselves.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=918394574886991&fref=nf

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Who knows maybe Trooper Encinia will review that video as part of his remedial training prior to returning to duty.

 

[waggy]

my problem with cops is they seem to escalate situations instead of trying to deescalate them. coming in and trying to deescalate would not put them in a position of less power either. it's not saying come with defenses down.

I guess the problem then is they wouldn't get as many arrest. shrug.

 

[boomerang]

How many times do you guys think a Police Officer should have to ask someone to step out of their car? Once, twice, twenty times, an infinite number of times, as many times as possible until the end of his or her shift? How many?

 

[Brainonska511]

How many times do you guys think a Police Officer should have to ask someone to step out of their car? Once, twice, twenty times, an infinite number of times, as many times as possible until the end of his or her shift? How many?

Yes, when he told her to step out, she probably should have stepped out. But that's not the issue here. The issue is that the officer unnecessarily escalated the situation.

 

[emperus]

How many times do you guys think a Police Officer should have to ask someone to step out of their car? Once, twice, twenty times, an infinite number of times, as many times as possible until the end of his or her shift? How many?

You seem to have totally missed the point. Maybe that is purposeful on your point. There was no need to ask her to step out of the car. He escalated it to that level and got the reaction he anticipated.

Compare the video of that her interaction to this interaction.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...886991&fref=nf

And this is the point a lot of you police apologists miss or can't answer. Why did he ask her to get out of the car initially? Was it because he felt in danger or was it to place her under arrest? The former seems laughable and if it is the latter, do you think it is just to arrest someone, detain them, keep them from their livelihood and put burdens on them (bail themselves out and come back to court) for what happened previously? That is the point most people here are arguing. Arresting someone shouldn't happen on a whim or because you feel "disrespected" because of all the detrimental effects of being arrested. Without ascribing a racial element to it, the officer in the video above got it, the officer in the Bland video, didn't.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Whether or not anyone feels he should or shouldn't have given her the order to get out of the car, the fact of the matter is he did, and by law she was obligated to follow the lawful order of a police officer.

 

[davmat787]

Whether or not anyone feels he should or shouldn't have given her the order to get out of the car, the fact of the matter is he did, and by law she was obligated to follow the lawful order of a police officer.

It was a bullshit escalation on the officers part after he got his answer to why she seemed agitated (gee, black woman alone with police maybe?), then the smoke issue. If he wanted her out for anything other than asserting power why hadn't he called for backup and why did he threaten to "light her up"?

With all the videos I've watched of police interaction it seems like the problems always start with the officers need to assert absolute control and escalating situations so they have cover to commit violence.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It doesn't matter whether you feel he escalated the issue, he gave a lawful order that is 100% legal and must be followed.........period.

Just imagine how different things would have been had she put out her cigarette, bit her lip, took her warning ticket with whatever lecture may have occurred, and been on her way. Around here receiving a warning ticket occurs more often than receiving a traffic violation ticket.

 

[boomerang]

You seem to have totally missed the point. Maybe that is purposeful on your point. There was no need to ask her to step out of the car. He escalated it to that level and got the reaction he anticipated.

So he had no right under the law to ask her to step out of the car? Is that what you're saying?

Cop haters like yourself think like teenagers. A civil society must be one based in the rule of law. That means that laws are to be obeyed and if not that there will be consequences. You argue on an emotional level. That doesn't cut it. The law is in place to take the emotion out of it. Do X and Y happens. Plain and simple in a nation based on the rule of law.

Your second guessing of the motives of the cop are laughable. There is no viable argument to be made in that regard. How you feel it should have shaken out is worthless. You weren't there. You heard her words and ascribed them to the cop. You did not see her actions. The cop approached her car in a very calm and respectful manner and she first gave him an attitude and then she gave him some lip and then she decided she was going to do what she damned well pleased. She had choices and she made the wrong one. Her choice and don't think for one second she didn't have a choice.

If you fuck with the bull you get the horns. In any given situation it's important to know who's the bull.

 

[waggy]

It doesn't matter whether you feel he escalated the issue, he gave a lawful order that is 100% legal and must be followed.........period.

Just imagine how different things would have been had she put out her cigarette, bit her lip, took her warning ticket with whatever lecture may have occurred, and been on her way. Around here receiving a warning ticket occurs more often than receiving a traffic violation ticket.

I do agree she should have done what he ordered it's on her for getting arrested. the problem we have is that he escalated the situation to order her out.

just think how the situation would have went if he didn't try to top her first comment. instead of showing her he is the boss he could have tried to deescalate it.


cops should be trying to calm the situation down. Not make it worse.

 

[Blackjack200]

So he had no right under the law to ask her to step out of the car? Is that what you're saying?

Cop haters like yourself think like teenagers. A civil society must be one based in the rule of law. That means that laws are to be obeyed and if not that there will be consequences. You argue on an emotional level. That doesn't cut it. The law is in place to take the emotion out of it. Do X and Y happens. Plain and simple in a nation based on the rule of law.

Your second guessing of the motives of the cop are laughable. There is no viable argument to be made in that regard. How you feel it should have shaken out is worthless. You weren't there. You heard her words and ascribed them to the cop. You did not see her actions. The cop approached her car in a very calm and respectful manner and she first gave him an attitude and then she gave him some lip and then she decided she was going to do what she damned well pleased. She had choices and she made the wrong one. Her choice and don't think for one second she didn't have a choice.

If you fuck with the bull you get the horns. In any given situation it's important to know who's the bull.

I am a lawyer and my advice these days for family members about interactions with police is similar to the advice for those confronted with wild animals. When confronted with a bear, the advice is to play dead and do nothing to provoke. The same goes for the police - do not provoke and remain silent. The police have been emboldened by lax oversight and those who believe the police are always right, to do whatever the police want to do whenever they want to do it. The police can figure out ways to break the law, sidestep cameras and avoid consequences. Citizens cannot. Until our broken policing system is fixed (if it ever is) and if you want to live, interact with the police as you would with wild animals - comply and do not provoke. The law of the jungle is now the law of the land.

Thanks, keep enabling shitty police behavior.

 

[boomerang]

Thanks, keep enabling shitty police behavior.

Life's not fair buttercup and on a whole lot of levels.

You want to talk about attorneys? I just contacted one who told me his billable rate is $385 per hour. Now that's some shitty behavior. Who should I whine to about that? Any ideas?

 

[Perknose]

It doesn't matter whether you feel he escalated the issue...

It does matter, in fact, Encina's behavior is the very crux of the matter in this incident, something you and other posters have energetically tried to dismiss or ignore or divert from. Trooper Encina deliberately and repeatedly TROLLED and tried to provoke Sandra Bland until he got the situation he wanted.

You guys are all internet veterans who’ve encountered plenty of sly trolls, so you can’t legitimately pretend you don’t see this.

The timeline is beyond clear. Encina comes back with the warning for her to sign. She’s giving no lip, no arguing, nothing. All he has to have Bland sign the ticket warning for this most minor of infractions and the whole incident is over.

INSTEAD, he deliberately and repeatedly trolls her, trying to get a rise, looking for an excuse to yank her out of the car

FIRST TROLL ATTEMPT:

Encinia: OK, ma'am. (Pause.) You OK?

Bland: I'm waiting on you. This is your job. I'm waiting on you. When're you going to let me go?

He’s got the ticket, but, yeah, he’s really concerned with her state of mind, even though she’s not acting out AT ALL and all he has to do is just hand her the goddamn ticket. Note, in this exhcange, while she’s not obsequious or elaborately deferential towards him,there is NOTHING legally or personally out of hand with her response.

So he goes to TROLL ATTEMPT NUMBER TWO:

(Ok, many of you who wish to deny that this trooper deliberately instigated the violence that occurred will stoutly aver there was nothing untoward in his first attempt to get a rise out of her. But this second one. C’mon guys, you know a sly asshole troll when you see one in action.)

Encinia: I don't know, you seem very really irritated.

Bland: I am. I really am. I feel like it's crap what I'm getting a ticket for. I was getting out of your way. You were speeding up, tailing me, so I move over and you stop me. So yeah, I am a little irritated, but that doesn’t stop you from giving me a ticket, so [inaudible] ticket.

Hey, I don’t know, posters who somehow think Bland wasn't the victim here, you seem really irritated.

Again, all who seem blind this and wish to place the main blame on the now dead Sandra Bland, please take note that the very worst word she used was “crap.” Now, that’s a paddling!

TROLL ATTEMPT NUMBER THREE:

(Having not (yet) deliberately provoked this young woman into crossing the line so he can fuck with her futher, he goes full troll. Never go full troll, it’s too obvious . . . unless, of course, you are one of the many apologist/denial posters here.)

Encinia: Are you done?

Bland: You asked me what was wrong, now I told you.

Encinia: OK.

Bland: So now I'm done, yeah.

Now she's done, give her the goddamn ticket to sign, troll! But no, the bully won't stop until he's found a troll excuse to get at her:

TROLL ATTEMPT NUMBER FOUR, SUCCESS!

Encinia: You mind putting out your cigarette, please? If you don't mind?

Bland: I'm in my car, why do I have to put out my cigarette?

Encinia: Well you can step on out now.

Still want to focus on blaming Sandra Bland? Then note that when she exits the car, he illegally orders her to stop filming the encounter and to put her phone down, and she complies!!

Just imagine how different things would have been had she put out her cigarette...

Yeah, what bullshit troll provocation would Bully Boy Trooper Encina have come up with next?

 

[Blackjack200]

I like that this is getting attention. This is different from the other police abuse videos we've seen. This is clearly provocative behavior by the officer to justify an arrest. I hope this gets more attention in cases where the person didn't necessarily die.

Are there any organizations that provide free or subsidized dashboard cams? I would donate to that.

 

[sandorski]

My mind boggles at people defending this Cops actions. If this situation is all it takes to get tossed in Jail, any Cop any where can toss anyone in Jail, for any reason. Fuck that shit.

 

[Blackjack200]

My mind boggles at people defending this Cops actions. If this situation is all it takes to get tossed in Jail, any Cop any where can toss anyone in Jail, for any reason. Fuck that shit.

It's as simple as racism. They wouldn't tolerate it if it happened to white people, but it generally doesn't.