Sandy Bridge E delayed to Q1 2012

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

annoying i need to take z68 and add in a RAID card for JBOD.

Z68 is really bandwidth starved compared to X58 and X79 and even AMD's offerings right now. The funny thing is Z77 seems to solve none of those problems? Or does the introduction of PCIe 3.0 also give more overall bandwidth to allow for more SATA slots?

 

[garagisti]

? Are you talking about SB-E (which is to be produced on what is by now a rather mature 32nm process) or Ivy Bridge?

And where did BD and some guy with access to it enter the equation here? Are you positing that BD is so strong that Intel is delaying SB-E to ensure it can trump BD? I'm not getting the connection, hoping you'll shed some light on your post.

There were a bunch speaking/ speculating about how Intel is delaying products (SB-E and IB) as BD is a dud... so i posted what i did. Any which ways, IB if delayed is more due to process, which most of us know... SB-E, well, it may be something as silly as a chipset issue or something... which they've had somewhat recently... or worse, may be clocks are an issue... Or may be nothing, just delay for marketing reasons. BD is potent, how potent, is what is to be ascertained and may be Intel is holding on for that little bit of information where it could give the chip that extra clock and remain fastest... makes sense?

Anyways, i guess i could have saved you confusion by quoting the gentlemen in question who made remarks about BD... so, i apologize

EDIT:
In my opinion, and for what it is worth... I like reading your comments as the posts are informative and well, logical. A fallacy which a lot of forums members of this particular site do not suffer from

 

[bryanW1995]

:'(

I'm willing to place a bet that IBs won't be seen before Q3 '12 now.



(Complete speculation follows... remember that I am interested in buying BD so I'm not an AMD hater.) IF I were the suspicious sort I might even say that Intel has an inside track on BD performance and finding that it's not presenting any challenge at all they figure why should they cannibalize their own existing lineup sales? Yet another reason why vigorous competition on the high end is beneficial to everyone.

I'm a big amd cpu fan as well, but unfortunately I think that you're correct. Most likely intel has access to everything that amd is working on right now, but even if not then how hard is it to deduce that BD is going to disappoint? Chips on a new arch with significant delays rarely perform up to the hype, and amd's cpu division hasn't done much to infuse us with confidence in the past 5 years.

 

[bridito]

I'm a big amd cpu fan as well, but unfortunately I think that you're correct. Most likely intel has access to everything that amd is working on right now, but even if not then how hard is it to deduce that BD is going to disappoint? Chips on a new arch with significant delays rarely perform up to the hype, and amd's cpu division hasn't done much to infuse us with confidence in the past 5 years.

I think that it's beyond doubt that a megabillion dollar company like Intel certainly has more than a few bucks invested in corporate intelligence (read: espionage) and knows as much about BD as AMD does. On forums like this, we're all just stumbling around in the dark due to the utter lack of any reliable BD benchmark. Everything that's come out to date is quite suspect, and I'm not going to believe anything until I see full CPU tests on independent sites. While I await the benchys I can't help but feeling that BD is going to be a good performer but not even in the 2600K class, let alone SB-E or IB... however, I am more than open to being pleasantly surprised.

 

[Idontcare]

There were a bunch speaking/ speculating about how Intel is delaying products (SB-E and IB) as BD is a dud... so i posted what i did. Any which ways, IB if delayed is more due to process, which most of us know... SB-E, well, it may be something as silly as a chipset issue or something... which they've had somewhat recently... or worse, may be clocks are an issue... Or may be nothing, just delay for marketing reasons. BD is potent, how potent, is what is to be ascertained and may be Intel is holding on for that little bit of information where it could give the chip that extra clock and remain fastest... makes sense?

Anyways, i guess i could have saved you confusion by quoting the gentlemen in question who made remarks about BD... so, i apologize

EDIT:
In my opinion, and for what it is worth... I like reading your comments as the posts are informative and well, logical. A fallacy which a lot of forums members of this particular site do not suffer from

Ah, yeah I'm with you now. I'm not usually so daft, just for some reason I was having trouble picking up on your train of thought. Thanks for indulging me and expanding on it.

It definitely makes sense for Intel to hold back and only show their hand after AMD shows theirs. The more they know about the competitive landscape then the more they can do to better optimize their offerings so as to maximize their profits and margins.

So I'd say you are definitely on to something there with that line of thinking :thumbsup:

(also, thanks for the kinds words )

 

[bridito]

Has this been reported before?

http://www.h-online.com/newsticker/...About-benchmarks-and-sore-losers-1272039.html

"As could be heard through closed doors at the edge of the ISC11, Intel has postponed the launch of its Haswell processor to 2014."

Is anything meeting its announced dates? Has the entire CPU biz run into a pool of molasses?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

When does anything run on time or come in early? Every ETA should be treated as the earliest possible date, with the chances of being delayed as a high probability.

 

[kami]

Soooo... 3 years on my i7 920 then? I can't justify going from X58 to Z68 in any way at all but I got upgrade fever.

This is crazy.

 

[justinm]

Been running my i7 860 since launch, so oh well... What's another few months???

 

[RaistlinZ]

Soooo... 3 years on my i7 920 then? I can't justify going from X58 to Z68 in any way at all but I got upgrade fever.

This is crazy.

i7 920 @ 4Ghz is still blazingly quick. I think my setup will last another 2 years (sans video card) before I'll feel a "need" to upgrade, and not just a desire to upgrade.

 

[tweakboy]

So now what happens, Ivory wont be read this whole rest of year.

Intel snags your money slo by slo, next thing you know pooof!

 

[ed29a]

Are Nemesis1 and tweakboy related?

 

[Arachnotronic]

I would like to see some more verification for both the original claim I found in the article in my OP and this supposed Haswell delay.

Anybody have any sources, or dig up any documents? I have leaked roadmaps,but they're from January!

 

[max347]

i7 920 @ 4Ghz is still blazingly quick. I think my setup will last another 2 years (sans video card) before I'll feel a "need" to upgrade, and not just a desire to upgrade.

Yeah I would say early adopters of the 920 definitely got their money's worth

 

[PreferLinux]

I would like to see some more verification for both the original claim I found in the article in my OP and this supposed Haswell delay.

Anybody have any sources, or dig up any documents? I have leaked roadmaps,but they're from January!

+1

The only source I know of is the one in the first post – the same one all the others link to. And they got it from who knows where.

 

[KamiXkaze]

I guess I will have to wait till 2012

kXk

 

[bridito]

OK, so now this comes out and says that SB-E is out Q4 '11 but it's been crippled. WTF??? Is there anyone who can announce a CPU and get it out as advertised and on time? D:

http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-might-yet-get-sandy-bridge-e-out-this-year/12991.html

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Heh, it's official. i7 920 == 8800GTX

 

[bridito]

Heh, it's official. i7 920 == 8800GTX

Whooooooooooooooooooosh. That was the sound of that comment going right over my head.

 

[GrumpyMan]

My current rig should last another 3 to 4 years, we'll see what Intel and AMD has out then. I like to let them work out the bugs, like I did this time, before upgrading again too.