You think so.?..
I run a 2500$ software on a 400$ dual core laptop,
ask the guys who have Adobe s complete suite if their
workstation is even remotely as expensive as their softs...
No one in their right mind buys software costing $4000 and a $800 system.
You think so.?..
I run a 2500$ software on a 400$ dual core laptop,
ask the guys who have Adobe s complete suite if their
workstation is even remotely as expensive as their softs...
Finally adobe products run well on most systems relatively speaking. Demands such as a professional video card are not required.
Adobe runs fine on most hardware, the expensive part in this case is the monitor. The last thing you want is a monitor unable to display the correct gamut, so you need a high quality one. That means going for the Macbook Pro line for starters, and for shelling out up to $5.000 for the monitor alone if you are a real pro. You still cannot escape of expensive hardware here.
Well yes.
My point is this.
1. If you are doing intensive work then firepro kaveri will not cut it (as you mentioned before). Not enough CPU power period and even with firepro drivers 512 shaders on low bandwidth system ram is not terribly powerful. It makes no sense to buy the APU over a more powerful system.
2. If you don't have the budget they you will be (obviously) prepared to accept compromises. That includes a less accurate monitor or a consumer grade GPU.
There are very few workstations out there with a AMD CPU and professional grade gpu. That should say something.
Furthermore at least in the case of a notebook there is a rather large fixed cost. You need a decent amount of RAM, a decent display, and decent build quality. That is going to cost a fair bit on its own. Will it make sense to save a couple hundred dollars on something like a $800 starting cost at the price of half the performance?
Add to that that AMD professional cards tend to perform poorly.
W4000 (384 cores @675/1000 128 bit GDDR5) vs K 610 (192 cores @ 954/650 64 bit GDDR5)
About equal though the K610 is slightly ahead.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-FirePro-M4100.104958.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Quadro-K610M.98902.0.html
The macbook pro screen (retina 2012) seems pretty average. I'm not sure about the 2013 model but head over to sites like macrumours and you see numerous complaints about image retention and yellow screens, and some users complaining that they went through 3 systems before getting a proper screen (heaven forbid its the LG screen over the samsung screen).
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/5
As I pointed out earlier, the lowest end Dell mobile workstations pair a dual core Intel CPU with a 1GB Cape Verde GPU. Kaveri would be roughly a match for this- lower GPU memory bandwidth, but higher potential accessible memory for the GPU, and roughly equivalent CPU performance.
As I pointed out earlier, the lowest end Dell mobile workstations pair a dual core Intel CPU with a 1GB Cape Verde GPU. Kaveri would be roughly a match for this- lower GPU memory bandwidth, but higher potential accessible memory for the GPU, and roughly equivalent CPU performance.
Solidworks viewset (sw-03)
The sw-03 viewset was created from traces of Dassault Systemes’ SolidWorks 2013 SP1 application. Models used in the viewset range in size from 2.1 to 21 million vertices.
The viewset includes numerous rendering modes supported by the application, including shaded mode, shaded with edges, ambient occlusion, shaders, and environment maps.
The following tests are included in the viewset:
1. Vehicle in shaded mode -- normal shader with environment cubemap
2. Vehicle in shaded mode -- bump parallax mapping with environment cubemap
3. Vehicle in shaded mode -- ambient occlusion enabled with normal shader with environment map
4. Vehicle in shaded-with-edges mode -- normal shader with environment cubemap
5. Vehicle in wireframe mode
6. Rally car in shaded mode -- ambient occlusion enabled with normal shader with environment map
7. Rally car in shaded mode -- normal shader with environment cubemap
8. Rally car in shaded-with-edges mode -- normal shader with environment cubemap
9. Tesla Tower in shaded mode -- ambient occlusion enabled with normal shader with environment map
10. Tesla Tower in shaded mode -- normal shader with environment cubemap
11. Tesla Tower in shaded-with-edges mode -- normal shader with environment cubemap
Vehicle model provided courtesy of TurboSquid and tiagoofernandes. To see more work, please go to: http://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Artists/tiagoofernandesRally
Car model provided courtesy of AMD.
Tesla Tower model provided courtesy of Verislav Mudrak.
It bears pointing out that the A10-7700K is a desktop product, and that the i7-4702 is a laptop product. They're utterly useless to compare. Due to thermal constraints, the 4702 is clocked at 2.2Ghz with occasional brief turbo to 3.2Ghz (not all cores of course). The K1100M is also an extremely barebones GPU.
Care to compare a laptop part to a laptop part, or a desktop setup to a desktop setup?
Even against a fairly low end workstation, Kaveri is pretty bad for workstation duties :
http://www.spec.org/gwpg/gpc.data/vp12/Lenovo/E32_E3_1240v3_8GB_2x4_500GB_K2000/resultHTML.html
That Xeon E3 is less expensive than an i7, and the K2000 is a super gimped card. The real workstation Fire and Quadro cards eat the low end stuff alive.
It bears pointing out that the A10-7700K is a desktop product, and that the i7-4702 is a laptop product. They're utterly useless to compare. Due to thermal constraints, the 4702 is clocked at 2.2Ghz with occasional brief turbo to 3.2Ghz (not all cores of course). The K1100M is also an extremely barebones GPU.
Care to compare a laptop part to a laptop part, or a desktop setup to a desktop setup?
Even against a fairly low end workstation, Kaveri is pretty bad for workstation duties :
http://www.spec.org/gwpg/gpc.data/vp12/Lenovo/E32_E3_1240v3_8GB_2x4_500GB_K2000/resultHTML.html
That Xeon E3 is less expensive than an i7, and the K2000 is a super gimped card. The real workstation Fire and Quadro cards eat the low end stuff alive.
Im sorry but that [FONT="]NVIDIA Quadro K2000[/FONT] costs $500+ alone when Kaveri 7770K only $160. You have to admit people that for Solidwork Kaveri is excellent for the price.
Ok i have found the PNY Quadro K2000 for $399 AR in newegg,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814133483
Still, kaveri costs more than half the money of that GPU alone.
The Kaveri 7770K will come out with rendering errors in complex operations though. It's the same problem in trying to compare that in fact an i5 + GTX660 will blow the doors off something like a midrange Xeon + K2000 build in raw performance.
And yet another issue is that legitimate customers don't go spending (usually more like $7000+) for Solidworks to risk errors in the work by trying to save a few bucks on an entry-level consumer product.
AMD has products for Solidworks, they're called FirePro, and they are outstanding.
K2000 isn't $500 for someone looking for a deal though :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thin...1069940300?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item43c51ed24c
That's $799 for a complete i7 system WITH a K2000. Even that is extremely low end though, more than most businesses would consider worthwhile. If you're making money from doing legitimate work with SW, then the workstation expense is a tax write-off as well, which is why you see so many things like the T7610s w/K5000 out there.
Oh, and about the older FirePro APUs, the A320 sold in extremely rare quantities at prices of 500+. ($680
+)
I'll let you decide what you think about that price for a product of it's performance.
The Kaveri 7770K will come out with rendering errors in complex operations though
The fact of the matter is that Workstation variants are REALLY expensive. They do that by making sure that the desktop versions will not be advisable when performing complex modeling with things like Solidworks. Therefore, comparing desktop parts is meaningless. I can just as easily show how a FirePro card is a piece of crap that costs $2,000 when an overclocked 7950 is faster for $250. Derp.
I would really like you to tell me what those complex operations might be and why it will render errors.
yes, because the best way to improve the roi of a project is to buy amd for peanuts and make your $100.000 engineer wait by the coffee machine while his kaveri workstation finishes the rendering.:awe::awe::awe::awe::awe::awe:
Yes, because the best way to improve the ROI of a project is to buy AMD for peanuts and make your $100.000 engineer wait by the coffee machine while his Kaveri workstation finishes the rendering.:awe::awe::awe::awe::awe::awe: