groovin

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We might need alot of disk space very soon. Alot as in a dozen or so terabytes, maybe more. So, we were thinking SAN... but i dont know much more about them than how they work conceptually.

Things I need to consider:

-Redundancy (RAID, Tape?)
-Performance
-Scalability
-Price

so I was wondering who makes decent SANs? HP? IBM? What tape libraries are available?

thansk
 

ITJunkie

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EMC makes a good unit. Haven't used one in a couple years so I would imagine the technology has upgraded quite a bit.

If I remember right EMC used mirroring. Not sure where the iSCSI implimentation is yet but that looks like an interesting idea too.
 

cmetz

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groovin, to complicate life dramatically, also investigate NASs. I say that because they may work better for you and also because the lines between SAN & NAS continue to blur.

NetApps NASs are good stuff.
 

Garion

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Originally posted by: cmetz
groovin, to complicate life dramatically, also investigate NASs. I say that because they may work better for you and also because the lines between SAN & NAS continue to blur.

NetApps NASs are good stuff.


I'll second the recommendation for Netapp - Good storage, cheap and easy to manage. I'm a current customer of theirs - If you need talk to someone there, let me know and I'll find you someone.

- G
 

groovin

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thanks guys!

can anyone elaborate on the difference between a SAN and NAS?

Garion, I'll look into Netapp and PM if I need your contact!
 

Garion

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Sure. A SAN is a Storage Attached Network - a very sophisticated system of disk drives and controllers that send data across a dedicated storage connection to your servers, typically fiber optic. Think of it as a dedicated type of network for storage. You can, in fact, even buy SAN switches that allow a bunch of machines to attach to the same set of disks (although typically on different sets of volumes).

NAS is Network Attached Storage. It has similar components, except the communication from your server to the drives occurs across an Ethernet network instead of a dedicated storage network. This provides more flexibility (i.e. physical proximity isn't absolutely required, multiple NAS devices can communicate between themselves across a network for DR data synchoronization, etc.). Most enterprise-class (like you'll need) NAS devices can also be SAN-attached, too. This is especially good for storage, as most high-end backup systems can be directly SAN-attached so that backups don't have to traverse the network.

IMHO, I like NAS better for the typcal admin. SAN is a whole different language and environment, NAS tends to be a bit easier to understand and deal with.

One other thing you're going to have to spend some major cash on is backups. For a dozen terabytes, it's going to take a really big library and some careful thought on managing the back strategy, etc. Need to look at something like a StorageTek L180 or a big ADIC.

- G
 

groovin

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thanks for the info Garion.

Yeah, storing up to 12TB of data will require lots of planning, backing it all up on tape... well thats a whole new ball game.
 

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Garion, I know StorageTek is common, but several sites I have seen spent big $$ on their boxes and the things were a pain to get running and didn't stay that way for too long (they were 3-4Uish DLT changers). Given the reliability requirements typically associated with the NAS/SAN problem, I wouldn't touch them from what I've seen. How have your experiences been with them?
 

Garion

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I don't use them directly (I do network / proxy / load balancers nowadays), but we've had pretty good luck with them and use them almost exclusively. We've got about ten timberwolves (The huge circular ones) and a lot of the smaller silos. I do know that a lot of our smaller sites use ADIC drives, as well.

There's a drive makers out on the market, but when you get up into the 10+ terrabyte range, the number of actual manufacturers is fairly slim.

Looks like the ones at Dell are priced well - Anyone knows who makes them?

- G
 

SaigonK

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EMC DX600 or DMX800 series units are the sh!t. They rule, setting one up where I am as we speak...of course you will want to have your purse open to pay for the mcdata switches and all else you will need to set it up...fiber HBA;s etc.
 

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EMC also has a midrange SAN product line - the CX series. The CX600 is just a bit below the DMX800 (low end Symmetrix). Very nice set of features. They also have a NAS division...

NAS vs. SAN is a very broad topic. The main difference is the way other computers access the data. In a SAN, you'd have a server attached to a private network dedicated solely to the server and storage device. This is usually based on a Fibre Channel network.

In a NAS, you could establish a separate network (for performance issues), but typically the existing network infrastructure is used to keep costs low(er). NAS devices can be accessed by anyone (by this, I mean computers) that has permission, similar to a file server.

Although I *may* be a little biased. I'm not real familiar with the other competing products, but I can talk more about the features in general if you have questions.

*Not speaking for EMC Corp.*
 

SaigonK

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The CX is very nice, also if you want or need SNAP technology, or BCV's then EMC is the way to go.
HP makes a very nice unit as well and it is MUCH less in the cost area than EMC is.
 

groovin

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saigon (and others) so HP makes a good NAS? I think their HP NAS 2000 might fit us well...
 

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We are currently investigating SANs for my company. EMC and IBM are the two frontrunners right now.. As for the major difference between SAN and NAS? You can't boot from NAS....


 
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