sapphire x1900xtx broke my computer

Washoe

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I just got my sapphire x1900xtx. Replacing a 6800nu on a ASRock 939 board. I uninstalled nvidia drivers, swapped out the cards, rebooted into bios, switched to PCIe as the main gpu, then started up the pc. Everything was fine for about 30 minutes. I ran EQ2 first cause that's my main game, plus it's a graphics beast. No probs there I was real happy with it. Then I tried HL2. Set everything to max settings and ran it fine at 1920x1200. Sweet! Next I tried Oblivion...

Oblivion noticed a new card and it reconfigured my video settings. I loaded into the game but then had to switch to 1920x1200 res. Once I switched I was asked to exit and restart the game. I clicked on Exit Game and then my computer cut off. It has not restarted since then. I tried to reboot and after 5-10 seconds got a quick 2-beeps code, then a steady half-second beep. It's been like that ever since. I think the psu is fried. It's a Thermaltake 500watt which I thought would be able to handle it.

At first things were at least turning on inside the PC - I can hear hard drives kick in, the cpu fan and video card fan all turn on as if it's gonna start. But I always get the 2 short beeps followed by a steady half-second beep from the motherboard. I reset the CMOS jumper but that doesn't help.

I swapped out the 6800 card back in, and things got worse. I plugged the cord in to the psu in back and got a loud whining beep for about 2 seconds which died out. I then tried to turn the PC on and immediately I get the same loud whining beep like a siren. Things seem to turn on inside but obviously something's wrong. If I leave it on, the motherboard still does the 2 short beeps and the half-second consecutive beeps. If I unplug the cord to the psu for a minute then plug it back in I get the loud whining siren-like sound for a couple seconds which dies out.

I'm gonna try another psu that used to run the pc with the 6800 card to see if it works. Im hoping it's the psu actually because that wouldn't be so hard to replace ...

Anyone ever had anything like this before?
 

Extelleron

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Should have got the FSP 450W for $50............ that PSU could be the problem, it doesnt have enough volts on 12V rail for the X1900XTX, the X1900XTX needs 30 and it has 29- it's close, but cutting it WAY too close to be considered acceptable.
 

Dethfrumbelo

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Originally posted by: Extelleron
Should have got the FSP 450W for $50............ that PSU could be the problem, it doesnt have enough volts on 12V rail for the X1900XTX, the X1900XTX needs 30 and it has 29- it's close, but cutting it WAY too close to be considered acceptable.

14A on one rail and 15A on the other. Can the card pull from both rails, or just from one? If it only draws from one of them, then you'd obviously have a serious overload.


 

Extelleron

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Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Should have got the FSP 450W for $50............ that PSU could be the problem, it doesnt have enough volts on 12V rail for the X1900XTX, the X1900XTX needs 30 and it has 29- it's close, but cutting it WAY too close to be considered acceptable.

14A on one rail and 15A on the other. Can the card pull from both rails, or just from one? If it only draws from one of them, then you'd obviously have a serious overload.

Honestly IDK, but I know the card requires 30A total on the 12V rail, and his PSU has only 29A total. The "amps on the 12V rail" are more important than total wattage.
 

Washoe

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well part of the problem is that I am an idiot. The reason for the loud siren noise when I plug in the cord to the psu and try to boot up is because I forgot to connect the extra power cable to the 6800 card.

I plug that in and guess what - everything runs fine. System boots up at least. I didn't play games on it yet though, just anxious to swap out the 1900xtx card again. I tried that (remember to plug in the power this time) but it still won't boot. psu does seem to be fine though. I have a feeling it's a bad video card. Taking it to a friend's house to try out.
 

Washoe

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newegg says they'll rma the card. Maybe I will upgrade my psu while waiting ....
 

Extelleron

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Originally posted by: Washoe
well part of the problem is that I am an idiot. The reason for the loud siren noise when I plug in the cord to the psu and try to boot up is because I forgot to connect the extra power cable to the 6800 card.

I plug that in and guess what - everything runs fine. System boots up at least. I didn't play games on it yet though, just anxious to swap out the 1900xtx card again. I tried that (remember to plug in the power this time) but it still won't boot. psu does seem to be fine though. I have a feeling it's a bad video card. Taking it to a friend's house to try out.

Even if it is the card, DO NOT run the X1900XTX on that PSU. 29A is just too low.
 

jiffylube1024

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Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Should have got the FSP 450W for $50............ that PSU could be the problem, it doesnt have enough volts on 12V rail for the X1900XTX, the X1900XTX needs 30 and it has 29- it's close, but cutting it WAY too close to be considered acceptable.

14A on one rail and 15A on the other. Can the card pull from both rails, or just from one? If it only draws from one of them, then you'd obviously have a serious overload.

I was just reading about this, and different PSU's handle it different ways. The official Intel specs (who layed out the ATX 2.2 spec) calls for the first 12V rail (+12V1) to handle AGP cards and all of the peripherals (HD's, etc). The second rail (+12V2) is supposed to be exclusively for the motherboard, eg the 4-pin +12V connector.

TT makes pretty decent PSU's but those voltage rails are suspect. 14A and 15A is dangerously low to be running a card like an X1900 (especially a hog like the XTX), and depending on how TT set up the voltage rails, that could easily explain what happend.

When I read the thread topic, the first thought that came to me was PSU, and those voltage rails look a bit too low.

I'd strongly recommend a 475+W Enermax or OCZ PSU to run your system. Antec also makes some good PSU's.

I've had great success with this PSU. Check the +12V rails (18A/18A and it's only rated to 485W). I used it to run a dual core A64 @ 2.5 GHz with a 7800GT overclocked.

Some people have recommended the 550W Antec, OCZ
 

BassBomb

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i concur with the enermax reccomendation, i have taht psu just less watts same current on the rails though

but htats an old model now, get the new liberty set which replaced the noisetakers
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: BassBomb
i concur with the enermax reccomendation, i have taht psu just less watts same current on the rails though

but htats an old model now, get the new liberty set which replaced the noisetakers

I've got a 620w Liberty and it is rock solid. Recommended by a user here.
 

Bull Dog

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Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Should have got the FSP 450W for $50............ that PSU could be the problem, it doesnt have enough volts on 12V rail for the X1900XTX, the X1900XTX needs 30 and it has 29- it's close, but cutting it WAY too close to be considered acceptable.

14A on one rail and 15A on the other. Can the card pull from both rails, or just from one? If it only draws from one of them, then you'd obviously have a serious overload.

Honestly IDK, but I know the card requires 30A total on the 12V rail, and his PSU has only 29A total. The "amps on the 12V rail" are more important than total wattage.


By its self, The X1900XT(X) doesn't reqiuire 30amps on the 12v rail. Under the worst case senarios, the maximum amount of juce that the X1900XTX can pull is around 10amps @12v (120w). Now if the rest of your system needs 19amps or not....thats for you to figure out.
 

Extelleron

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Originally posted by: Bull Dog
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo
Originally posted by: Extelleron
Should have got the FSP 450W for $50............ that PSU could be the problem, it doesnt have enough volts on 12V rail for the X1900XTX, the X1900XTX needs 30 and it has 29- it's close, but cutting it WAY too close to be considered acceptable.

14A on one rail and 15A on the other. Can the card pull from both rails, or just from one? If it only draws from one of them, then you'd obviously have a serious overload.

Honestly IDK, but I know the card requires 30A total on the 12V rail, and his PSU has only 29A total. The "amps on the 12V rail" are more important than total wattage.


By its self, The X1900XT(X) doesn't reqiuire 30amps on the 12v rail. Under the worst case senarios, the maximum amount of juce that the X1900XTX can pull is around 10amps @12v (120w). Now if the rest of your system needs 19amps or not....thats for you to figure out.

Regardless, ATI recommends 30A on the 12V rail for average systems, and I believe 38A for Crossfire X1900XTX. Unless you have a very low-powered system or a very high-powered one with multiple HDD's/etc, you should go by their recommendation but have a few extra amps because you never want to run a PSU @100%.
 

Washoe

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I've taken the card over to try on a friend's system. He has the Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 (as mentioned above by jiffylube1024). The system seemed to boot but there was no video signal. At this point the card is dead. Thankfully newegg will rma. Did my psu ruin the card though? I did have it running for about 30 minutes today.

I think I will pick up that TruePower psu while I wait for the rma:
Output +3.3V@32A, +5V@40A, +12V1@19A, +12V2@19A, -12V@1A, +5VSB@2A
 

Madellga

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I would go for an Enermax over Antec.

I use Enermax since 1999 and never had a problem.

I ran a SLI GTX o/c to 715/1800 on mine for a week, no issues at all.

Get the Liberty 500W.
 

buzzsaw13

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If you can return that thermaltake PSU, my friend had the same PSU as you, but the 430W version and could not run a 6800GS on an AGP system.

The new "TR2" PSU's from thermaltake don't seem to be very reliable and don't really put out the amperage thermaltake claims.
 

Washoe

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Too late to return the ThermalTake. It's running the 6800 card fine. I'll swap out both the psu and the card and put it in a secondary system. Looking over the specs I'm torn between the Antec TPII-550 and one of those Enermax Liberty's...
 

russki

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I'd go with the antec... the enermax is ok, but way overpriced for what you get.
 

hughest

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I can't comment on whether the enermax is overpriced or not but I have a noisetaker 485 w as mentioned above and it runs my x2 3800 (@2.4) and x1900xt(@XTX speeds) very well with no issues. Either one of the PSU's listed above is probably fine just make sure the 12V rails add up to as high as you can afford.
 
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